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Who would you guys think has had a standout year as trainer? Somebody asked me this recently, and I didn't really have an answer. Some years it's obvious, but this year it's really not.

Anatoily Lomachenko:
Forget about his kid, Usyk's performance was amazing this year!

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Dec 2018, 19:18 Anatoily Lomachenko:
Forget about his kid, Usyk's performance was amazing this year!

Agree mate

If Ben Davidson hasn't accomplished enough to be regarded as the "Trainer of the Year" for 2018, then he has to be considered as a dead-cert bet for "Rookie Trainer of the Year"?

I've never seen a fighter improve physically and stylistically as much as Tyson Fury has. Whereas Vasyl Lomachenko and Oleksandr Usyk have both simply maintained their usually incredibly high-standards.

One fighter defies expectations and improves drastically, whereas others simply meet their long-term usual standards.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Dec 2018, 19:36 If Ben Davidson hasn't accomplished enough to be regarded as the "Trainer of the Year" for 2018, then he has to be considered as a dead-cert bet for "Rookie Trainer of the Year"?

I've never seen a fighter improve physically and stylistically as much as Tyson Fury has. Whereas Vasyl Lomachenko and have both simply maintained their usually incredibly high-standards.

One fighter defies expectations and improves drastically, whereas others simply meet their long-term usual standards.

Beg to differ...Usyk beat the two top contenders and blew out a decent Bellew. I thought his performance was an improvement from last year. In addition, it is very difficult to achieve and then sustain such a high level of performance. Papachenko gets my nod. I had to think about Davidson, so yes. He is the ultimate Rookie Trainer of the Year.

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Dec 2018, 19:41

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Dec 2018, 19:36 If Ben Davidson hasn't accomplished enough to be regarded as the "Trainer of the Year" for 2018, then he has to be considered as a dead-cert bet for "Rookie Trainer of the Year"?

I've never seen a fighter improve physically and stylistically as much as Tyson Fury has. Whereas Vasyl Lomachenko and have both simply maintained their usually incredibly high-standards.

One fighter defies expectations and improves drastically, whereas others simply meet their long-term usual standards.

Beg to differ...Usyk beat the two top contenders and blew out a decent Bellew. I thought his performance was an improvement from last year. In addition, it is very difficult to achieve and then sustain such a high level of performance. Papachenko gets my nod. I had to think about Davidson, so yes. He is the ultimate Rookie Trainer of the Year.

Fair enough, at least we're in the same ball-park with our candidates. We don't really disagree too much when we both have the same two trainers as our preferred choices, except we have them in a different order. So your perspective doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Dec 2018, 19:57

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Dec 2018, 19:41

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Dec 2018, 19:36 If Ben Davidson hasn't accomplished enough to be regarded as the "Trainer of the Year" for 2018, then he has to be considered as a dead-cert bet for "Rookie Trainer of the Year"?

I've never seen a fighter improve physically and stylistically as much as Tyson Fury has. Whereas Vasyl Lomachenko and have both simply maintained their usually incredibly high-standards.

One fighter defies expectations and improves drastically, whereas others simply meet their long-term usual standards.

Beg to differ...Usyk beat the two top contenders and blew out a decent Bellew. I thought his performance was an improvement from last year. In addition, it is very difficult to achieve and then sustain such a high level of performance. Papachenko gets my nod. I had to think about Davidson, so yes. He is the ultimate Rookie Trainer of the Year.

Fair enough, at least we're in the same ball-park with our candidates. We don't really disagree too much when we both have the same two trainers as our preferred choices, except we have them in a different order. So your perspective doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

Likewise. I considered Davidson for bringing Fury's physique back into fighting shape; the two comeback wins and of course the incredible performance vs Wilder. Really fantastic. If Fury takes the rematch, I'll vote for Ben in 2019. Full circle, it would be.

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Dec 2018, 20:00

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Dec 2018, 19:57

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Dec 2018, 19:41
Beg to differ...Usyk beat the two top contenders and blew out a decent Bellew. I thought his performance was an improvement from last year. In addition, it is very difficult to achieve and then sustain such a high level of performance. Papachenko gets my nod. I had to think about Davidson, so yes. He is the ultimate Rookie Trainer of the Year.

Fair enough, at least we're in the same ball-park with our candidates. We don't really disagree too much when we both have the same two trainers as our preferred choices, except we have them in a different order. So your perspective doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

Likewise. I considered Davidson for bringing Fury's physique back into fighting shape; the two comeback wins and of course the incredible performance vs Wilder. Really fantastic. If Fury takes the rematch, I'll vote for Ben in 2019. Full circle, it would be.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Dec 2018, 19:36 If Ben Davidson hasn't accomplished enough to be regarded as the "Trainer of the Year" for 2018, then he has to be considered as a dead-cert bet for "Rookie Trainer of the Year"?

I've never seen a fighter improve physically and stylistically as much as Tyson Fury has. Whereas Vasyl Lomachenko and Oleksandr Usyk have both simply maintained their usually incredibly high-standards.

One fighter defies expectations and improves drastically, whereas others simply meet their long-term usual standards.

No argument from me.I was surprised when Fury hired him. But he proved me wrong

Usyk's training situation interests me. I wasn't sure Anatoly Lomachenko was as involved as is often made out so I did a bit of research.

It was reported that he'd started working with Anatoly after leaving James Ali Bashir near the start of 2017. (https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/bo ... /99720406/)

However in the following article from the summer of 2017, Usyk stated that Serhiy Vatamanyuk was his trainer, not Anatoly. (https://ringside24.com/en/19814-usyk-lo ... my-trainer)

I then remembered there being some confusion regarding his training set up before the Gassiev fight. I found the following article which says that he had stopped working with Vatamanyuk and began working with 'long time cutman Russ Anber'. I think Anber was in his corner for the Bellew fight as well. ( https://www.express.co.uk/sport/boxing/ ... per-Series)

More info in this article from the Gassiev fight as well https://sundaypuncher.com/oleksandr-usy ... 019210e2a6

Anatoly is without doubt a great trainer who would have helped Usyk massively throughout his career, particularly as an amateur, but I'm not sure how much credit we can give him for Usyk's accomplishments in 2018.

It's been a good year for Eddy Reynoso and a bad one for Abel Sanchez. If you switched trainers for Canelo and GGG then all the help in the world wouldn't have saved Alvarez.

Dave Coldwell almost pulled off a miraculous year. He certainly surprised a few people.

Anatoly Lomachenko is still the best trainer in the world for the way he has advanced the art of training. Whether his techniques are original or not, he has demonstrated that they work, yet again.

But this year, despite Freddy Roach's cautions, my nomination would be for Ben Davidson.
I wouldn't like to imagine what training Tyson Fury involves. He probably had to play coach, trainer, teacher, therapist, friend, confidant, minder, mum, dad and brother all combined into getting the best Tyson Fury into the ring that we have yet seen.

All the while knowing the torrential amount of flak that would come his way if Wilder happened to knock Fury out early on.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑19 Dec 2018, 04:51But this year, despite Freddy Roach's cautions, my nomination would be for Ben Davidson.
I wouldn't like to imagine what training Tyson Fury involves. He probably had to play coach, trainer, teacher, therapist, friend, confidant, minder, mum, dad and brother all combined into getting the best Tyson Fury into the ring that we have yet seen.

All the while knowing the torrential amount of flak that would come his way if Wilder happened to knock Fury out early on.

I'm just glad you stopped short of saying wife.