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I keep hearing how the Charlos are these killers being ducked by everyone and their cousin. What I see with both of them are good solid fighters, who both have good fundamental, but neither are special. Even though I feel they both won their fights this weekend, I just don't see all the hype surrounding these guys. It was a shame to see what happened to Jermell against Harrison, to lose your title like that is just plain wrong.

Jermall is considered the most avoided fighter at 160, what has he even done at the weight to get this title?. I don't see him beating GGG, Jacobs or Alvarez. To be honest I think they all handle him relatively easily. I'm just not that high on these guys and don't see what they do that has them so hyped throughout the boxing community. Hell I don't even think Jermall beats BJS or Andrade and I think Jermall is the more talented of the 2.

This isn't the first time I'vve expressed my opinion on these guys and how I don't rate them as high as a lot of other people. I've been following boxing for awhile, but honestly, what is it about these guys that everyone sees that has created this hype? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I just don't see it and never have.

Now I wonder what would've happened if Andrade fought them back in 2015.

Maybe it's because they talk like they are special talents with their super-confidence/arrogance and contemptuous manner, it leads us to believe they are better than they actually are?

I'd like to think I'm too smart to be influenced by such things, but I was absolutely outraged that Tyson Fury would take the Wilder fight after beating on two cans when it was first announced, but by fight time my estimation of Fury's chance of victory had gone from about 5% to 40 maybe 45% and it was only his demeanour that altered my thinking.

I'm in agreement. They're very good, but definitely nothing special.

Jermall has now had razor thin fights with Austin Trout and Matt Korobov (arguably should have lost to both, but neither was a gift). 'Killers' don't need the benefit of the doubt from the judges, to beat Matt Korobov. Trout is decent, but again, special fighters don't leave that result in any doubt.

There's no way Harrison beat Jermell, but I had Harrison losing a close fight to Ishe Smith ffs. He's not that good. 'Killers' don't allow the judges to rob them in a fight against Tony Harrison.

I don't know how much I rate 154, with Lara being old, Munguia being green etc, so Charlo may still be number 2 or 3 in that division.

At 160, unless Jermall has a granite chin, I'd expect Golovkin, Canelo and Jacobs (if he presses it) to stop him. Saunders and Andrade take comfortable decisions. The only way he's 'avoided' is because he brings nothing to the table financially. The top dogs have bigger fish to fry.

They are punkish thugs. They tried to become a brand, but this past weekend put an end to that. Neither had impressed me before this past weekend and they are both going to be fodder for the top guys.

The 160 Charlo is a lot better than his little brother. There is no arguing this. The 154 Charlo is a little above average. Anyone who becomes a top fighter shouldn't struggle with a guy like Harrison. He's there to be stopped. Martirosyan is another good fighter, but the elite guys beat him. He arguably lost to Martirosyan and now he has a loss to Harrison. Not very good.