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GGG could retire easily and be very comfortable if he wants. I didn't hear nothing new about a possible next opponent so I'm thinking if he has some plans with Canelo on Cinco de Mayo, Zurdo Ramirez,etc or he's planning to retire?

He'll fight on..

As much as I like GGG, He's selling his career to Canelo.. He might be getting paid well, but he should either be 1-1, 2-0 against him..

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 05:31 He'll fight on..

As much as I like GGG, He's selling his career to Canelo.. He might be getting paid well, but he should either be 1-1, 2-0 against him..

Well tbh why he shouldn't make the most amount of money at this stage of his career?! And the last fight showed that GGG still has it. I think GGG is all for a third Canelo fight or he may retire. Also the thought of beating GGG decisively in a third fight may appaeal Canelo.

apollo creed wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 06:47

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 05:31 He'll fight on..

As much as I like GGG, He's selling his career to Canelo.. He might be getting paid well, but he should either be 1-1, 2-0 against him..

Well tbh why he shouldn't make the most amount of money at this stage of his career?! And the last fight showed that GGG still has it. I think GGG is all for a third Canelo fight or he may retire. Also the thought of beating GGG decisively in a third fight may appaeal Canelo.

Not saying he shouldn't earn good money, but he should own a win against Canelo, one at least. ODLH also said, Canelo would need to KO GGG in the trilogy.. (not to win, but to make a statement).. I don't think Canelo, or anyone will ever drop GGG..

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 06:50

apollo creed wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 06:47

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 05:31 He'll fight on..

As much as I like GGG, He's selling his career to Canelo.. He might be getting paid well, but he should either be 1-1, 2-0 against him..

Well tbh why he shouldn't make the most amount of money at this stage of his career?! And the last fight showed that GGG still has it. I think GGG is all for a third Canelo fight or he may retire. Also the thought of beating GGG decisively in a third fight may appaeal Canelo.

Not saying he shouldn't earn good money, but he should own a win against Canelo, one at least. ODLH also said, Canelo would need to KO GGG in the trilogy.. (not to win, but to make a statement).. I don't think Canelo, or anyone will ever drop GGG..

IMO it is a 1-1 atm but not something very clearly. Indeed to T/K.O GGG is very hard but if Canelo would clearly box GGG's ears off in a third fight it would be a statement.

There won’t be a rematch between GGG and Canelo if the Kazakh doesn’t sign with DAZN in some sort of capacity.

Matchroom have a fairly decent stable of middleweights and 168lb-ers: Demetrius Andrade (WBO middleweight champion; Danny Jacobs (IBF middleweight champion); and Callum Smith (WBA super middleweight champion).

GBP’s roster is a tad limited: Canelo (WBA/WBC middleweight champion); David Lemieux; Jason Quigley; and Jaime Munguia (WBO light middleweight champion).

Top Rank have: Gilberto Ramirez (WBO super middleweight champion); Rob Brant (WBA regular middleweight champion); and Ryota Murata.

The PBC have: David Benavidez; James DeGale; Anthony Dirrell; Andre Dirrell; Jermall Charlo; Sergiy Derevyanchenko; Daniel Jacobs (IBF middleweight champion); Jose Uzcategui (IBF super middleweight champion).

Note: I believe that Daniel Jacobs is currently a free agent, since his promotional deal with Matchroom and his network contract with HBO have both expired. He may choose to work with Eddie Hearn again in the future, but since he’s advised by Al Haymon, I regard him as a PBC fighter.

Canelo doesn’t feel that he needs to face Gennady anytime soon and I am convinced that if a third bout between the pair was scheduled within the next six months, it’ll be a financial failure. Both fighters need to face someone else beforehand.

GGG probably feels that he’s still got plenty left in the tank, but he’s going to be 37 years of age soon and his rivals probably feel that he’s ready for the taking, which means that Tom Loeffler and Abel Sanchez will inevitably start claiming that Golovkin has “bigger fish to fry” if there are calls for him to face one of the middleweight divisions’ dangerous young lions.

GGG only has a few fights left and the biggest bouts for him financially are against Canelo and Callum Smith, which means I expect him to agree a network deal with DAZN soon, because the PBC and Top Rank have very little to offer him.

I'm sure he wont retire this year, and I see no reason why he should.

he still seems like he has a lot to offer so I'm excited to see what he has in store for him.

It seems that GGG has just parted ways with Tom Loeffler (as reported by Dan Rafel's tweets):

GGG ain't taking no risk-low reward fights at this stage. He's aiming for Canelo or another mexican fighter, maybe Zurdo Ramirez.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 05:31 He'll fight on..

As much as I like GGG, He's selling his career to Canelo.. He might be getting paid well, but he should either be 1-1, 2-0 against him..

Great post Ruthless. I agree with you. From the start of this mess, GGG did exactly what you said he did but I never used those exact words but they are perfect. He sold Canelo his career. You can’t put it any better.

GGG May have had blinders on thinking that those 2 fights were also about him but they weren’t. It was all about Canelo and his hand was getting raised as long as he just finished the fights on his feet. I hope he never has money issues again but he certainly did sell off his career to a large point.

I believe that GGG/Canelo III is an itch Golovkin needs to scratch.

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 17:43 I believe that GGG/Canelo III is an itch Golovkin needs to scratch.

Only to lose again. Neither are getting knocked down or out..

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 18:09

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 17:43 I believe that GGG/Canelo III is an itch Golovkin needs to scratch.

Only to lose again. Neither are getting knocked down or out..

First thought? Yeah I agree. Second thought? You just never know. We've seen so many surprises in boxing, we can't ever say never.

He will keep fighting, especially if he has another child to raise.

I doubt he'll retire yet. He still looks to be the best Middleweight currently active, why would he?

People want to see GGG fighting someone else beside Canelo but what is the point of risking to get beat for less money?!

He's a fighter AC. Sure the money's great fighting Canelo, but fighting someone you don't need necessarily to knock out in order to get the win must have a certain appeal wouldn't you say?

Bottom line is that the most tough and skillful opponent at 160 for GGG is Canelo. No other mw is better than Canelo atm. Golovkin is trying to beat a future HOF'er in Canelo.

apollo creed wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 05:31 People want to see GGG fighting someone else beside Canelo but what is the point of risking to get beat for less money!

Are you suggesting that it’s entirely appropriate for fighters to always decline facing dangerous opposition if they aren’t being paid their financial worth, as calculated by the mythical “risk versus reward” ratio?

Also, are your principles being applied consistently? What I mean is this… do you openly admit to praising certain fighters for choosing money over glory, whilst criticising others for doing precisely the same thing, therefore applying double-standards?

For the record, I’m not criticising you, instead I’m merely trying to ascertain your typical attitude towards fighters that choose to pursue money over glory.

apollo creed wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 05:43 Bottom line is that the most tough and skillful opponent at 160 for GGG is Canelo. No other mw is better than Canelo atm. Golovkin is trying to beat a future HOF'er in Canelo.

Yes but he has already fought and many would say beaten Canelo twice. Face it Canelo won't fight him anywhere but Vegas, GGG won't get a decision there, and he won't knock him out. A third fight would always be entertaining as a spectacle between two superb boxers, but in terms of predictability with regard to the result, it's getting a bit tedious isn't it?

I for one welcome fresh blood and if he is showing signs of decline, that only adds interest when the opponent isn't of Canelo's standard. Having said that there are decent opponents to found at 160. Charlo's lost his sparkle but there's a meaningful rematch with Jacobs, hopefully the Saunders situation will resolve itself and there's that Russian chap whose name escapes me.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 05:52

apollo creed wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 05:31 People want to see GGG fighting someone else beside Canelo but what is the point of risking to get beat for less money!

Are you suggesting that it’s entirely appropriate for fighters to always decline facing dangerous opposition if they aren’t being paid their financial worth, as calculated by the mythical “risk versus reward” ratio?

Also, are your principles being applied consistently? What I mean is this… do you openly admit to praising certain fighters for choosing money over glory, whilst criticising others for doing precisely the same thing, therefore applying double-standards?

For the record, I’m not criticising you, instead I’m merely trying to ascertain your typical attitude towards fighters that choose to pursue money over glory.

GGG is 37 y/o with a lot of wear and tear from ams and pros. He's not 28, 29, 30 anymore. Who do you expect him to fight at 37? Low profile contenders for peanuts? lol

apollo creed wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 06:24

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 05:52

apollo creed wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 05:31 People want to see GGG fighting someone else beside Canelo but what is the point of risking to get beat for less money!

Are you suggesting that it’s entirely appropriate for fighters to always decline facing dangerous opposition if they aren’t being paid their financial worth, as calculated by the mythical “risk versus reward” ratio?

Also, are your principles being applied consistently? What I mean is this… do you openly admit to praising certain fighters for choosing money over glory, whilst criticising others for doing precisely the same thing, therefore applying double-standards?

For the record, I’m not criticising you, instead I’m merely trying to ascertain your typical attitude towards fighters that choose to pursue money over glory.

GGG is 37 y/o with a lot of wear and tear from ams and pros. He's not 28, 29, 30 anymore. Who do you expect him to fight at 37? Low profile contenders for peanuts? lol

OK, I understand your thought process, but let me explain the reason why I asked you those questions…

There was a point in time, prior to his 34th bout against David Lemieux, when Gennady was not earning his commercial worth, despite being regarded as one of the top pound-for-pounders in the sport.

This may be because Gennady didn’t receive the paydays or the financial backing that he deserved from K2 and HBO, whereas other fighters that weren’t rated as highly and couldn’t attract comparable TV audience figures received better purses for their bouts.

This led to a lot of GGG’s middleweight rivals to prefer to face lower-risk opponents that provided them better paydays than they were capable of earning by facing Gennady Golovkin.

Tom Loeffler didn’t submit hardly any financial offers to GGG’s big name rivals either, which compounded the situation.

However, this didn’t prevent Team GGG (primarily Tom Loeffler) from persistently claiming to the media that “everyone was too scared to face Golovkin”, as it was part of their marketing gimmick they used to enhance the Kazakh’s reputation, which was done to compel his legion of fans to accuse his rivals of being “cowards” and “ducks”.

Apparently in 2015, when GGG was earning only $1.5m fighting the Willie Monroe Jr’s of the world, his fans were ridiculing a former featherweight that went by the name of Floyd Mayweather Jr. for refusing to make the jump to middleweight to face their hero, Gennady Golovkin. Even though nobody from K2 or HBO attempted to make that bout.

The 38½ year old 147lbs version of Floyd Mayweather Jr. was aggressively accused of being “duck” and a “coward” for not fighting the 32-year-old 160lb-er GGG.

Now that Golovkin is likely to be 37 years of age the next time steps foot inside the ring, his legion of die-hard fans are now passionately arguing that he deserves to pursue money over glory and that he is entitled to use the “risk versus reward” ratio as his justification for declining to face dangerous young lions that bring very little money to the table.

So can you not understand the reason why I believe that certain GGG fans intentionally choose to apply double-standards?

I’m not suggesting that you’re one of those people that apply double standards, since you didn’t frequent the forum during 2015, so you’re excluded from my criticism of those that apply a different set of rules to different fighters, based on whether they “respect” or “hate” them.

Nope.

According to Forbes :

#72Gennady Golovkin
Athlete, Boxing
2018 The World's Highest-Paid Athletes Earnings
$25M

Golovkin won his first 37 professional bouts before facing Canelo Alvarez in September 2017. The two fought to a draw, but it was the biggest payday of GGG's career at $20 million thanks to his cut of the revenue from the 1.3 million pay-per-view audience. Another monster payday for GGG was thwarted when Canelo tested positive for the banned substance clenbuteroas and was suspended for six months ahead of their 2018 rematch. The Kazakhstani fighter has endorsement deals with Nike's Jordan Brand, Hublot, Tecate and Chivas Regal.

From wiki @ GGG-Canelo II. According to the Nevada State Athletic Commission, Alvarez would earn an official purse of $5 million and Golovkin was to make a $4 million purse. It was reported with profits of the PPV, Alvarez would potentially earn around $40 million and Golovkin could earn $30 million



Atm GGG is his own boss, a made man. He worked really hard for this and I doubt that someone with a decent amount of common sense would still think that at this stage GGG should not pursue the best deals for him.

apollo creed wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 07:20 Nope.

I assume this post was to respond to the question posed by the thread title not my comments about Mayweather being accused of ducking GGG, since your response doesn't relate to anything I've written?

GGG was very well promoted by Loeffler since he earned those money and that status.

GGG's resume in terms of quality speaks for itself and I will start with the bottom of it's quality:

Geale
Murray
Lemieux
Jacobs
Canelo I
Canelo II