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Interesting fight...

How does everyone see this?

Ortiz is obviously the favourite but this will be his second best win by quite a distance for me. Therefore it's a decent keep busy fight, definitely better than some of the other Heavyweight matchups going on right now.

joshj909 wrote: ↑16 Jan 2019, 15:58 Ortiz is obviously the favourite but this will be his second best win by quite a distance for me. Therefore it's a decent keep busy fight, definitely better than some of the other Heavyweight matchups going on right now.

Yeh, Definately. And it comes exactly 3 months after his last fight. Glad he’s keeping busy and at least fighting known names.

I reckon he may Decision Hammer.. or win via RTD rd8 maybe..

Just because Luis Ortiz is the oldest current heavyweight contender, it hardly means he can’t also be the most active.

The 39-year old Miami-based Cuban southpaw is set for what will be his 5th fight in just a 15-month span. BS,com has learned that Germany’s Christian Hammer has agreed to terms to travel to the United States for a showdown with Ortiz, with their heavyweight clash penciled in for March 2 at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York.

“Our goal remains to win the world heavyweight championship, hopefully in a rematch with Deontay Wilder,” Herman Caicedo, Ortiz’s longtime trainer told BS.com on Wednesday. “In the meantime, we just want to stay active and clean out the rest of the division, fighting anyone willing to get in the ring with us.”

The proposed fight will mark the one-year anniversary—almost to the day—of Ortiz’s 10th round knockout loss to Wilder, which also took place at Barclays.

In Hammer (24-5, 14KOs), he gets a serviceable journeyman whom—at the very least—was willing to take the fight. The 31-year old will make his U.S. debut, having fought largely in almost exclusively in Europe over the course of his 10-year career.

“I’ve never worried about who my opponent is,” insists Ortiz, who will get the fight in just shy of his 40th birthday. “My main goal is a rematch with Deontay Wilder, to (avenge) the only loss on my record. I can’t get him next and none of the other top heavyweights know how to return a phone call, so I just fight whoever is willing to get in the ring with me, “I just want to keep busy. I would fight every month if I could.”

The bout will come as part of a yet-to-be-announced Showtime telecast topped by a super welterweight showdown between unbeaten secondary titlist Brian Castaño and former champ Erislandy Lara.

having fought largely in almost exclusively in Europe

im no master of phrasing but dam son thats a handful

jamamb wrote: ↑16 Jan 2019, 17:39

having fought largely in almost exclusively in Europe

im no master of phrasing but dam son thats a handful

You mean mouthful? Haha

Very solid fight. I'd be impressed if Ortiz stops Hammer. Hammer is very tough.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑16 Jan 2019, 17:42 Very solid fight. I'd be impressed if Ortiz stops Hammer. Hammer is very tough.

Povetkin couldn't ko him and he just destroyed Wallisch. But I think it would be late TKO for Ortiz, and it would indeed be impressive. One thing to remember, is that Hammer will be probably be in the pocket for much of the fight.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑16 Jan 2019, 17:42 Very solid fight. I'd be impressed if Ortiz stops Hammer. Hammer is very tough.

Agreed which is why I say Ortiz by decision. I don't expect it to be controversial but I think Hammer might go someway to closing the gap in the later rounds as the old boy begins to tire.

I'd have preferred it to be Miller, but it's good to see another top heavyweight keeping busy.
Ortiz should still be a class above Hammer, even at this stage, but will always struggle to get big fights. His performance against Wilder didn't help much either as it only demonstrated the difficulty of beating him.

Hearn may as well now throw Miller under the AJ bus before he brings any further embarrassment. Miller will then get what he wants and we will get what we want. In any case it's now difficult to see anyone other than Whyte or Miller being next for AJ (unless Fury surprises us again).

At least Joshua v Miller could still be sold as 2 unbeaten fighters etc. and allow Hearn to salvage something here. Besides, Miller's not really in a position to argue too much about the size of his purse right now.

Everybody wins. Sort of.

This is a fữckḯng disgrace of a fight for a boxer possessing the "fearsome" reputation of a fighter such as Luis “King Kong” Ortiz.

That being said… and it’s sad to say this, I reckon a stoppage victory for the Cuban over the unranked German journeyman, will be classed amongst one of the top-five wins of his career, which is a really sorry state of affairs.

Luis Ortiz is being kept busy fighting no-hopers until he inevitably receives his guaranteed shot at the WBC version of the world heavyweight title.

When are people going to start losing patience with this guy? The PBC stable of fighters includes the likes of:

• Charles Martin
• Dominic Breazeale
• Andy Ruiz Jr.
• Adam Kownacki
• Chris Arreola
• Gerald Washington
• Oscar Rivas
• Artur Szpilka

Why can’t Al Haymon orchestrate fights between Ortiz and one of these guys? I’m guessing it’s because the Cuban’s handlers don’t want to risk missing out on the huge payday Luis would receive when he's given his guaranteed title shot.

I don’t mind, but Luis Ortiz called-out Dillian Whyte, but did anyone from the Cuban’s team even bother to pick-up the phone to contact Eddie Hearn? The answer is “NO!”

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 05:39 This is a fữckḯng disgrace of a fight for a boxer possessing the "fearsome" reputation of a fighter such as Luis “King Kong” Ortiz.

That being said… and it’s sad to say this, I reckon a stoppage victory for the Cuban over the unranked German journeyman, will be classed amongst one of the top-five wins of his career, which is a really sorry state of affairs.

Luis Ortiz is being kept busy fighting no-hopers until he inevitably receives his guaranteed shot at the WBC version of the world heavyweight title.

When are people going to start losing patience with this guy? The PBC stable of fighters includes the likes of:

• Charles Martin
• Dominic Breazeale
• Andy Ruiz Jr.
• Adam Kownacki
• Chris Arreola
• Gerald Washington
• Oscar Rivas
• Artur Szpilka

Why can’t Al Haymon orchestrate fights between Ortiz and one of these guys? I’m guessing it’s because the Cuban’s handlers don’t want to risk missing out on the huge payday Luis would receive when he's given his guaranteed title shot.

I don’t mind, but Luis Ortiz called-out Dillian Whyte, but did anyone from the Cuban’s team even bother to pick-up the phone to contact Eddie Hearn? The answer is “NO!”

Hammer is better than those highlighted and the others are up for debate...

joshj909 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 06:12

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 05:39 This is a fữckḯng disgrace of a fight for a boxer possessing the "fearsome" reputation of a fighter such as Luis “King Kong” Ortiz.

That being said… and it’s sad to say this, I reckon a stoppage victory for the Cuban over the unranked German journeyman, will be classed amongst one of the top-five wins of his career, which is a really sorry state of affairs.

Luis Ortiz is being kept busy fighting no-hopers until he inevitably receives his guaranteed shot at the WBC version of the world heavyweight title.

When are people going to start losing patience with this guy? The PBC stable of fighters includes the likes of:

• Charles Martin
• Dominic Breazeale
• Andy Ruiz Jr.
• Adam Kownacki
• Chris Arreola
• Gerald Washington
• Oscar Rivas
• Artur Szpilka

Why can’t Al Haymon orchestrate fights between Ortiz and one of these guys? I’m guessing it’s because the Cuban’s handlers don’t want to risk missing out on the huge payday Luis would receive when he's given his guaranteed title shot.

I don’t mind, but Luis Ortiz called-out Dillian Whyte, but did anyone from the Cuban’s team even bother to pick-up the phone to contact Eddie Hearn? The answer is “NO!”

Hammer is better than those highlighted and the others are up for debate...

Christian Hammer is definitely better than Chris Arreola, though the American is a bigger name.

In terms of the other guys, I disagree. Even if the German was better than those guys you’ve mentioned, they’re more accomplished world-ranked ranked fighters with bigger names that enhances Ortiz’s career.

Whereas a win for Ortiz against Hammer does absolutely nothing for him.

Christian Hammer isn't a good fighter. For sure it’s your prerogative to disagree, but surely you appreciate that the guys I’ve mentioned are far better opponents, in terms of career progression for Ortiz, than the German journeyman.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 06:49

joshj909 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 06:12

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 05:39 This is a fữckḯng disgrace of a fight for a boxer possessing the "fearsome" reputation of a fighter such as Luis “King Kong” Ortiz.

That being said… and it’s sad to say this, I reckon a stoppage victory for the Cuban over the unranked German journeyman, will be classed amongst one of the top-five wins of his career, which is a really sorry state of affairs.

Luis Ortiz is being kept busy fighting no-hopers until he inevitably receives his guaranteed shot at the WBC version of the world heavyweight title.

When are people going to start losing patience with this guy? The PBC stable of fighters includes the likes of:

• Charles Martin
• Dominic Breazeale
• Andy Ruiz Jr.
• Adam Kownacki
• Chris Arreola
• Gerald Washington
• Oscar Rivas
• Artur Szpilka

Why can’t Al Haymon orchestrate fights between Ortiz and one of these guys? I’m guessing it’s because the Cuban’s handlers don’t want to risk missing out on the huge payday Luis would receive when he's given his guaranteed title shot.

I don’t mind, but Luis Ortiz called-out Dillian Whyte, but did anyone from the Cuban’s team even bother to pick-up the phone to contact Eddie Hearn? The answer is “NO!”

Hammer is better than those highlighted and the others are up for debate...

Christian Hammer is definitely better than Chris Arreola, though the American is a bigger name.

In terms of the other guys, I disagree. Even if the German was better than those guys you’ve mentioned, they’re more accomplished world-ranked ranked fighters with bigger names that enhances Ortiz’s career.

Whereas a win for Ortiz against Hammer does absolutely nothing for him.

Christian Hammer isn't a good fighter. For sure it’s your prerogative to disagree, but surely you appreciate that the guys I’ve mentioned are far better opponents, in terms of career progression for Ortiz, than the German journeyman.

The names on the list you posted have done absolutely nothing, except get the odd win against another name on the same list.

Hammer isn't good. The problem is, none of those names are any good either. Aside from the 4 that Josh highlighted, Rivas has blown hot and cold against lower level opposition than Hammer's been beating, and Ruiz just lost rounds against Kevin Johnson of all people.

The only two names on the list that deserve a higher ranking than Hammer, are Breazeale and Kownacki (who hasn't looked entirely convincing either). The rest are only known for getting beat up by Wilder or Joshua, with the exception of Rivas, who has a worse record and worse profile than Hammer.

Quality > profile

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 07:09 The names on the list you posted have done absolutely nothing, except get the odd win against another name on the same list.

Hammer isn't good. The problem is, none of those names are any good either. Aside from the 4 that Josh highlighted, Rivas has blown hot and cold against lower level opposition than Hammer's been beating, and Ruiz just lost rounds against Kevin Johnson of all people.

The only two names on the list that deserve a higher ranking than Hammer, are Breazeale and Kownacki (who hasn't looked entirely convincing either). The rest are only known for getting beat up by Wilder or Joshua, with the exception of Rivas, who has a worse record and worse profile than Hammer.

Quality > profile

Thanks. You basically at summed up my thoughts exactly.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 06:49 In terms of the other guys, I disagree. Even if the German was better than those guys you’ve mentioned, they’re more accomplished world-ranked ranked fighters with bigger names that enhances Ortiz’s career.

Whereas a win for Ortiz against Hammer does absolutely nothing for him.

In addition, If I remember correctly Hammer was ranked by 3 or 4 of the top orgs this time last year and was only dropped due to inactivity/lower level opposition. He was also in a WBO or WBA eliminator (I forget which one) against Povetkin 13 months ago.

It can only be a good thing for top fighters to keep busy. The entire history of elite boxing is one of careful matchmaking but the heavyweight division is the riskiest one of all. One punch is all it can take.

All fighters, not just Amir Khan, want to be really well paid for taking career ending risks.

I'm sure Eddie Hearn is not the only one getting fed up with the increasing difficulty of making big fights. Perhaps we should be asking where are all the hungry young guns willing to take the big risks? Anthony Joshua had to take chances to get to a position where he can dictate terms.

This fight is supposedly a keep busy one for Ortiz but Hammer should be looking at it differently.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 07:54 This fight is supposedly a keep busy one for Ortiz but Hammer should be looking at it differently.

It also helps us guage where exactly Ortiz is at, to an extent.

Most people rank Povetkin, Ortiz and Whyte 4-6. Hammer took Povetkin the distance a little over a year ago (despite losing every round). If Ortiz can blast hammer out, it makes a statement. Likewise, a less dominant performance sends out a different kind of statement.

Beating up Arreola's corpse, or feasting on the likes of Charles Martin or Artur Szpilka tells us absolutely nothing, whatever name value they have.

joshj909 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 07:24

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 06:49 In terms of the other guys, I disagree. Even if the German was better than those guys you’ve mentioned, they’re more accomplished world-ranked ranked fighters with bigger names that enhances Ortiz’s career.

Whereas a win for Ortiz against Hammer does absolutely nothing for him.

In addition, If I remember correctly Hammer was ranked by 3 or 4 of the top orgs this time last year and was only dropped due to inactivity/lower level opposition. He was also in a WBO or WBA eliminator (I forget which one) against Povetkin 13 months ago.

What happened a year ago isn’t relevant to the current situation.

Christian Hammer is anonymous, he is not a good fighter and is also currently unranked. That is the situation today.

A victory for Luis Ortiz over the German journeyman won’t enhance either his reputation nor his world title credentials. It’s merely a ‘stay-busy-fight’ for the Cuban until he receives his guaranteed shot at the WBC world heavyweight title.

If you feel that Christian Hammer is better than the majority of the heavyweights competing today, then that’s fine by me. We clearly disagree and there’s nothing wrong with that. We’re all entitled to opinions and I feel it’s good that most of us don’t robotically think precisely the same way.

That being said, I’ll still be shocked if the Cuban doesn’t beat him with astonishing ease though. And if Ortiz fails to impress against the German journeyman, then this will surely indicate that the 40-year-old ‘King Kong’ is on the decline and is ready-for-the taking.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 08:14
If you feel that Christian Hammer is better than the majority of the heavyweights competing today, then that’s fine by me. We clearly disagree and there’s nothing wrong with that. We’re all entitled to opinions and I feel it’s good that most of us don’t robotically think precisely the same way.

I don't think anyone is claiming that. There are at least 10 heavyweights better than Hammer (not even including the top 3) that Ortiz could fight instead. All I'm saying, is that only 2 of them are on that PBC list you posted. The rest are utter garbage.

At least Hammer has recently taken Povetkin the distance (albeit in embarrassing fashion). A dominant KO, or a less than stellar decision, does at least tell us something about Ortiz. Beating up Andy Ruiz doesn't.

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 08:23

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 08:14
If you feel that Christian Hammer is better than the majority of the heavyweights competing today, then that’s fine by me. We clearly disagree and there’s nothing wrong with that. We’re all entitled to opinions and I feel it’s good that most of us don’t robotically think precisely the same way.

I don't think anyone is claiming that. There are at least 10 heavyweights better than Hammer (not even including the top 3) that Ortiz could fight instead. All I'm saying, is that only 2 of them are on that PBC list you posted. The rest are utter garbage.

At least Hammer has recently taken Povetkin the distance (albeit in embarrassing fashion). A dominant KO, or a less than stellar decision, does at least tell us something about Ortiz. Beating up Andy Ruiz doesn't.

It amazes me to see fans of certain fighters defend the calibre of opposition they’re preferred boxers are facing, especially when other people claim their guys are merely fighting journeyman, such as those that aggressively argued that Vanes Martirosyan was a really good middleweight when he was named as GGG’s opponent during Cinco De Mayo weekend 2018.

We’re now seeing the same thing with Christian Hammer. Nobody previously discussed the German journeyman’s talents in this forum prior to his bout being announced against the Cuban, but suddenly Luis Ortiz’s fans are saying that he’s better than the vast majority than the entire PBC roster.

People are entitled to their opinions and that’s fine. It’s just a really strange phenomena that I’ve observed that’s supported by the posts that have been submitted to this forum.

For the record, a fight between Luis Ortiz and Andy Ruiz Jr. is far more prestigious and relevant to the world scene than the Cuban’s upcoming bout against the journeyman, Christian Hammer.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 05:39 This is a fữckḯng disgrace of a fight for a boxer possessing the "fearsome" reputation of a fighter such as Luis “King Kong” Ortiz.

That being said… and it’s sad to say this, I reckon a stoppage victory for the Cuban over the unranked German journeyman, will be classed amongst one of the top-five wins of his career, which is a really sorry state of affairs.

Luis Ortiz is being kept busy fighting no-hopers until he inevitably receives his guaranteed shot at the WBC version of the world heavyweight title.

When are people going to start losing patience with this guy? The PBC stable of fighters includes the likes of:

• Charles Martin
• Dominic Breazeale
• Andy Ruiz Jr.
• Adam Kownacki
• Chris Arreola
• Gerald Washington
• Oscar Rivas
• Artur Szpilka

Why can’t Al Haymon orchestrate fights between Ortiz and one of these guys? I’m guessing it’s because the Cuban’s handlers don’t want to risk missing out on the huge payday Luis would receive when he's given his guaranteed title shot.

I don’t mind, but Luis Ortiz called-out Dillian Whyte, but did anyone from the Cuban’s team even bother to pick-up the phone to contact Eddie Hearn? The answer is “NO!”

Hammer is better than most of that list, Noone on that list survives the distance with Povetkin. it was a terrible fight but he hammer made it 12 rounds with pov, so getting hammer out of there will earn some respect, mabey not in the states but in euro, and realy, thats where he needs to gain some respect, he already has in in the US.

gregregegg wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 09:00

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 05:39 This is a fữckḯng disgrace of a fight for a boxer possessing the "fearsome" reputation of a fighter such as Luis “King Kong” Ortiz.

That being said… and it’s sad to say this, I reckon a stoppage victory for the Cuban over the unranked German journeyman, will be classed amongst one of the top-five wins of his career, which is a really sorry state of affairs.

Luis Ortiz is being kept busy fighting no-hopers until he inevitably receives his guaranteed shot at the WBC version of the world heavyweight title.

When are people going to start losing patience with this guy? The PBC stable of fighters includes the likes of:

• Charles Martin
• Dominic Breazeale
• Andy Ruiz Jr.
• Adam Kownacki
• Chris Arreola
• Gerald Washington
• Oscar Rivas
• Artur Szpilka

Why can’t Al Haymon orchestrate fights between Ortiz and one of these guys? I’m guessing it’s because the Cuban’s handlers don’t want to risk missing out on the huge payday Luis would receive when he's given his guaranteed title shot.

I don’t mind, but Luis Ortiz called-out Dillian Whyte, but did anyone from the Cuban’s team even bother to pick-up the phone to contact Eddie Hearn? The answer is “NO!”

Hammer is better than most of that list, Noone on that list survives the distance with Povetkin. it was a terrible fight but he hammer made it 12 rounds with pov, so getting hammer out of there will earn some respect, mabey not in the states but in euro, and realy, thats where he needs to gain some respect, he already has in in the US.

Is your evaluation of Christian Hammer based solely on his survival against Alexander Povetkin? That seems to be the common theme in this thread.

Simply put, I have no issue with this matchup.

Pretty good matchup. Hammer is tough for sure, I think, Hammer will stand his ground until the end, while Ortiz will be methodical, without much acerbating.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 09:32

gregregegg wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 09:00

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 05:39 This is a fữckḯng disgrace of a fight for a boxer possessing the "fearsome" reputation of a fighter such as Luis “King Kong” Ortiz.

That being said… and it’s sad to say this, I reckon a stoppage victory for the Cuban over the unranked German journeyman, will be classed amongst one of the top-five wins of his career, which is a really sorry state of affairs.

Luis Ortiz is being kept busy fighting no-hopers until he inevitably receives his guaranteed shot at the WBC version of the world heavyweight title.

When are people going to start losing patience with this guy? The PBC stable of fighters includes the likes of:

• Charles Martin
• Dominic Breazeale
• Andy Ruiz Jr.
• Adam Kownacki
• Chris Arreola
• Gerald Washington
• Oscar Rivas
• Artur Szpilka

Why can’t Al Haymon orchestrate fights between Ortiz and one of these guys? I’m guessing it’s because the Cuban’s handlers don’t want to risk missing out on the huge payday Luis would receive when he's given his guaranteed title shot.

I don’t mind, but Luis Ortiz called-out Dillian Whyte, but did anyone from the Cuban’s team even bother to pick-up the phone to contact Eddie Hearn? The answer is “NO!”

Hammer is better than most of that list, Noone on that list survives the distance with Povetkin. it was a terrible fight but he hammer made it 12 rounds with pov, so getting hammer out of there will earn some respect, mabey not in the states but in euro, and realy, thats where he needs to gain some respect, he already has in in the US.

Is your evaluation of Christian Hammer based solely on his survival against Alexander Povetkin? That seems to be the common theme in this thread.

Why are you still typing? You just got exposed for dumping a bunch of names that included Arreola, ffs. If I were that ignorant, I'd have deleted my profile and stopped posting. You're much too stupid for that, though.