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Starting to become a sad situation when the only way you can beat the biggest star in boxing is via a cold KO...

I rate Canelo think he is a well rounded fighter and his trainer Reynoso is extremely under rated (his corner work especially in the Lara and GGG2 fight was precise and to the point) but there is no way Jacobs or anyone for a fact will get the nod on the score cards!

Thoughts?

kbackup408 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 20:16 Starting to become a sad situation when the only way you can beat the biggest star in boxing is via a cold KO...

I rate Canelo think he is a well rounded fighter and his trainer Reynoso is extremely under rated (his corner work especially in the Lara and GGG2 fight was precise and to the point) but there is no way Jacobs or anyone for a fact will get the nod on the score cards!

Thoughts?

I'm wondering if judges of the upcoming fight, being under the public microscope with all the talk about past questionable decisions, doesn't put Canelo at risk if it goes to the scorecards. A reverse affect, if you will.

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 20:24

kbackup408 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 20:16 Starting to become a sad situation when the only way you can beat the biggest star in boxing is via a cold KO...

I rate Canelo think he is a well rounded fighter and his trainer Reynoso is extremely under rated (his corner work especially in the Lara and GGG2 fight was precise and to the point) but there is no way Jacobs or anyone for a fact will get the nod on the score cards!

Thoughts?

I'm wondering if judges of the upcoming fight, being under the public microscope with all the talk about past questionable decisions, doesn't put Canelo at risk if it goes to the scorecards. A reverse affect, if you will.

Here’s all you need to know. I guarantee that Dave Moretti is one of the judges and thats when you know that Jacobs needs a KO.

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 20:24

kbackup408 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 20:16 Starting to become a sad situation when the only way you can beat the biggest star in boxing is via a cold KO...

I rate Canelo think he is a well rounded fighter and his trainer Reynoso is extremely under rated (his corner work especially in the Lara and GGG2 fight was precise and to the point) but there is no way Jacobs or anyone for a fact will get the nod on the score cards!

Thoughts?

I'm wondering if judges of the upcoming fight, being under the public microscope with all the talk about past questionable decisions, doesn't put Canelo at risk if it goes to the scorecards. A reverse affect, if you will.

No way will the judges favor anyone over Canelo in a close fight.
Canelo is the new golden boy

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 20:24

kbackup408 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 20:16 Starting to become a sad situation when the only way you can beat the biggest star in boxing is via a cold KO...

I rate Canelo think he is a well rounded fighter and his trainer Reynoso is extremely under rated (his corner work especially in the Lara and GGG2 fight was precise and to the point) but there is no way Jacobs or anyone for a fact will get the nod on the score cards!

Thoughts?

I'm wondering if judges of the upcoming fight, being under the public microscope with all the talk about past questionable decisions, doesn't put Canelo at risk if it goes to the scorecards. A reverse affect, if you will.

I hope you are correct mate, judging in boxing is making me fall outta' love with the sport...

It is truly heartbreaking.....rest assured that NO ONE wins a decision vs Alvarez. The saddest thing about the last GGG/Alvarez pathetic decision was that even Kellerman was making exscuses for the decision, talking about how “the story of the fight” played out differently, with Golovkin boxing and Alvarez pressing over the last half of the fight. Boxing is scored on the 10 point must system.... more effective scoring/damaging punches landed per round. THAT IS F**K**G IT! No “story”. No “perception”. It’s truly brutal.
Same deal with calling Fury/Wilder a draw... based upon two knockdowns, FFS, the 10-8 is still optional based upon the judges discretion. It’s one thing with the general public not knowing how scoring works... but when it’s the media and other pro fighters messing up the scoring, do any of them know the rules?
Guarantee we’ll see another straight up robbery this weekend with PAC/BRONER... they’re gonna do Broner just like they used to do JMM vs Pacquiao. Only way he wins is if he straight up “ganks” him.
Trying to set up that rematch with Floyd.

No one is ever getting the nod against him for a long time, you could say he's lost five fights now and the only one that was scored a loss was when he lost all twelve rounds and even then one judge gave it to him!

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 04:16 No one is ever getting the nod against him for a long time, you could say he's lost five fights now and the only one that was scored a loss was when he lost all twelve rounds and even then one judge gave it to him!

Don't be so dramatic! Canelo hasn't lost five fights. That's just silly! You basically allow your bias to compel you to always conclude that he's lost any remotely competitive contest that he engages in.

You're as bad as the judges you criticise and that's just hypocritical.

kbackup408 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 20:16 Starting to become a sad situation when the only way you can beat the biggest star in boxing is via a cold KO...

I rate Canelo think he is a well rounded fighter and his trainer Reynoso is extremely under rated (his corner work especially in the Lara and GGG2 fight was precise and to the point) but there is no way Jacobs or anyone for a fact will get the nod on the score cards!

Thoughts?

Damn bro, you're right. That is a new thing.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 04:31

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 04:16 No one is ever getting the nod against him for a long time, you could say he's lost five fights now and the only one that was scored a loss was when he lost all twelve rounds and even then one judge gave it to him!

Don't be so dramatic! Canelo hasn't lost five fights. That's just silly! You basically allow your bias to compel you to always conclude that he's lost any remotely competitive contest that he engages in.

You're as bad as the judges you criticise and that's just hypocritical.

Maybe, I just don't like the guy, he's a diva and a drugs cheat

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 05:18

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 04:31

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 04:16 No one is ever getting the nod against him for a long time, you could say he's lost five fights now and the only one that was scored a loss was when he lost all twelve rounds and even then one judge gave it to him!

Don't be so dramatic! Canelo hasn't lost five fights. That's just silly! You basically allow your bias to compel you to always conclude that he's lost any remotely competitive contest that he engages in.

You're as bad as the judges you criticise and that's just hypocritical.

Maybe, I just don't like the guy, he's a diva and a drugs cheat

If you don't like the guy, that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 04:47

kbackup408 wrote: ↑17 Jan 2019, 20:16 Starting to become a sad situation when the only way you can beat the biggest star in boxing is via a cold KO...

I rate Canelo think he is a well rounded fighter and his trainer Reynoso is extremely under rated (his corner work especially in the Lara and GGG2 fight was precise and to the point) but there is no way Jacobs or anyone for a fact will get the nod on the score cards!

Thoughts?

Damn bro, you're right. That is a new thing.

Haha, listen bro boxing doesn't give a f*ck what I think I can see why people think I am over reacting it isn't that deep

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 04:16 No one is ever getting the nod against him for a long time, you could say he's lost five fights now and the only one that was scored a loss was when he lost all twelve rounds and even then one judge gave it to him!

I am trying to be as neutral as I can and this is what I think...

Lara should have won 7-5
GGG first fight should have won 8-4 (I gave Canelo the first 3 and last round in that fight)

Canelo won the second GGG fight 7-5

What do you think mate, I have tried being as fair as I can?

Canelo is a polarising figure, which inevitably results in the outcome of any of his closely competitive bouts that go the distance being deemed as highly-controversial in nature.

Canelo’s legion of haters will probably award any evenly contested rounds towards his opponents, rather than giving credit to the Mexican for the quality of his work. So anytime Canelo gains a decision victory by a relatively small margin - this set of people will always accuse the judges of being corrupt, whilst also aggressively claiming "robbery".

Similarly, Canelo’s die-hard fans will be compelled by their bias to always go out of their way to find some sort of justification as to why their hero deserves to win each round.

I don’t subscribe to the idea that Canelo is incapable of losing by decision. And nor do I assume it’s a foregone conclusion that the Mexican’s opponents will always be “robbed” if the bout lasts the distance.

Boxing is a sport. Deep-seated emotions, such as hatred or admiration, should not affect anybody’s scorecards.

I feel that people are overreacting.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 07:14 Canelo is a polarising figure, which inevitably results in the outcome of any of his closely competitive bouts that go the distance being deemed as highly-controversial in nature.

Canelo’s legion of haters will probably award any evenly contested rounds towards his opponents, rather than giving credit to the Mexican for the quality of his work. So anytime Canelo gains a decision victory by a relatively small margin - this set of people will always accuse the judges of being corrupt, whilst also aggressively claiming "robbery".

Similarly, Canelo’s die-hard fans will be compelled by their bias to always go out of their way to find some sort of justification as to why their hero deserves to win each round.

I don’t subscribe to the idea that Canelo is incapable of losing by decision. And nor do I assume it’s a foregone conclusion that the Mexican’s opponents will always be “robbed” if the bout lasts the distance.

Boxing is a sport. Deep-seated emotions, such as hatred or admiration, should not affect anybody’s scorecards.

I feel that people are overreacting.

Fair play, you broke that down nicely I feel like Canelo is a very smart fighter he takes small things from every fighter (Cotto, Mayweather, Lara) hopefully the scorecards reflect more accurately what is happening in the squared circle!

Its these wildly differing scorecards that really fuel the paranoia. What other sport so often leaves the fans so divided as to who actually won? Someone did suggest perhaps 5 judges with the most extreme scorecard being ignored. That would have helped as in Fury
v Wilder and GGG v Canelo 1. Or perhaps ignore rounds where the judging was split. Or perhaps the audience can vote online, toss a coin etc

We all know boxing is a completely clean sport otherwise. No cartel, no PED use, no dodgy weight manipulations, morally upright sanctioning bodies, correct stoppages etc.

Dillian Whyte only recently showed us how it should be done. Seems to be the only clear undisputed answer as Anthony Joshua has proved time and time again.

Hopefully, for everyone's sake Canelo v Jacobs won't need the judges. Just a really fast pace from 1 to 12. That should settle it.

Go Danny go!

Canelo is a fkn blight. Not sure any other fighter in history has had at least one outrageous card in every semi big fight fought in as this asshole.

I think its the opposite. Close decisions that create controversy are not free. Its a bill that accumulates and at some point it has to be paid. They end up at the wrong side of a close decision themselves. It happened to DLH and Pacquiao might be the biggest names that come to mind but there have been more. I remember having saying "he got billed" a bunch of times joking with a friend after some fights.

I think the only way Canelo wins this one is by KO. Cant imagine him shutting Jacobs out so a wide clean victory seems unlikely. A close decision will go to Jacobs. I mean Canelo wins a close one people start crying robbery and the DAZN deal suffers. Jacobs wins a close one and the rematch will definitely sell.

Onekrazyrican wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 12:14 I think its the opposite. Close decisions that create controversy are not free. Its a bill that accumulates and at some point it has to be paid. They end up at the wrong side of a close decision themselves. It happened to DLH and Pacquiao might be the biggest names that come to mind but there have been more. I remember having saying "he got billed" a bunch of times joking with a friend after some fights.

I think the only way Canelo wins this one is by KO. Cant imagine him shutting Jacobs out so a wide clean victory seems unlikely. A close decision will go to Jacobs. I mean Canelo wins a close one people start crying robbery and the DAZN deal suffers. Jacobs wins a close one and the rematch will definitely sell.

Yeah, I mentioned the 'reverse' affect a few posts earlier. Nice post.

Blodhemn wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 09:17 Canelo is a fkn blight. Not sure any other fighter in history has had at least one outrageous card in every semi big fight fought in as this asshole.

This.
Even in the Khan fight the score cards were a joke before the knockout.
Canelo always has one judge gifting him a decission

Canelo will lose via decision if his opponent has the Star quality he have. Someone like a Mayweather, Pacman, or Khan (if the fight will be held in UK) will win via decision.

If it's the like of Lara or GGG. It's hard to win via decision due to their Star quality. Unless it's really a dominating one like the Donaire vs Rigo.

Same goes to the likes of Pacman, Mayweather, and ODLH. Let's face it close fights and rounds goes to these fighters due to their Star Quality.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 04:31

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 04:16 No one is ever getting the nod against him for a long time, you could say he's lost five fights now and the only one that was scored a loss was when he lost all twelve rounds and even then one judge gave it to him!

Don't be so dramatic! Canelo hasn't lost five fights. That's just silly! You basically allow your bias to compel you to always conclude that he's lost any remotely competitive contest that he engages in.

You're as bad as the judges you criticise and that's just hypocritical.

Roy don’t listen to this idiot. You couldn’t be more right. The world knows it and that’s why Canelo loses fans with every bad decision that he benefits from. Lara clearly outclassed him. Boxers aren’t that lucky in that many fights. Most boxers steal maybe 2 in his career, Canelo scorecards are just ridiculous. EO is probably the worst poster in the history of this site. He’s just that ridiculous and needs to be ignored. It’s hard but he’s got very little boxing IQ.

kbackup408 wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 05:54

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑18 Jan 2019, 04:16 No one is ever getting the nod against him for a long time, you could say he's lost five fights now and the only one that was scored a loss was when he lost all twelve rounds and even then one judge gave it to him!

I am trying to be as neutral as I can and this is what I think...

Lara should have won 7-5
GGG first fight should have won 8-4 (I gave Canelo the first 3 and last round in that fight)

Canelo won the second GGG fight 7-5

What do you think mate, I have tried being as fair as I can?

I had lara beating canelo and i had GGG winning both fights first 9-3 2nd 7-5,danny jacobs will beat canelo