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BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 01:06
by dickbelden
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 01:11
by lazboy
If it happens I’ll be happy to watch. Moreso I think it’s a good fight. I think Miller has looked impressive in the ring but with an unimpressive physique...and opponents.
Yes, never seen Miller with a A level opponent, etc, etc. Nows his time to shine. Huge step up. Big questions he’ll need to answer.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 01:23
by Ricky
Miller will walk him down and stop him if his chin is adequate for his size.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 01:28
by Mexi-Box
BN24 is a pretty horrible source.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 01:38
by Syntax Error
It's weird how they have been fooled into thinking that Joshua can't fight in April and then again in June.
At what point in history did top professional boxers become so soft and inadequate?
Joshua is fit enough to fight 4 times a year if required, barring injuries obviously; it's nonsense to suggest otherwise.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 02:16
by Ilya Muromets
RKY wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 01:23
Miller will walk him down and stop him if his chin is adequate for his size.
It's possible, but i think - if this fight were to really take place - Joshua will KO Miller and here's why: because i think Wach could have beat him had he showed in better shape AND not hurt his hand. Joshua is better than Wach.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 02:18
by Onetimeonly
RKY wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 01:23
Miller will walk him down and stop him if his chin is adequate for his size.
Miller has pillow fists.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 02:23
by lazboy
Syntax Error wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 01:38
It's weird how they have been fooled into thinking that Joshua can't fight in April and then again in June.
At what point in history did top professional boxers become so soft and inadequate?
Joshua is fit enough to fight 4 times a year if required, barring injuries obviously; it's nonsense to suggest otherwise.
There’s no doubt his body would cope.
However how much are we asking from him. Personally I think we underrate consistency in boxing. These big stars, the likes of Aj, Canelo, ggg, Crawford, Lomachenko, etc rarely perform below themselves. They are always super prepared and perform accordingly.
Spacing the fights out most likely helps to prevent burnout, helps them to prepare, then there’s the business side involving potentially million dollar fights and negotiations and paper work.
Consistency though - it should be respected yet we are spoilt and expect it but maybe at the cost of having these big names fight less often.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 03:19
by lillywhite14
RKY wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 01:23
Miller will walk him down and stop him if his chin is adequate for his size.
I think Joshua takes him out within 3 rounds. He’ll be making a statement
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 07:59
by Ruthless-RKO
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 01:28
BN24 is a pretty horrible source.
Yup! It’s just random fans trying to make it as reporters.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 12:09
by oogiebe
The Sun is also reporting Hearn dropping hints on this occurring. AJ will take Big Baby out. He's the better boxer; better puncher; faster; more polished. Not an AJ fan, but I don't see Miller having much of a chance. Miller has absolutely no idea what it's like to be in the ring with a fighter at this level.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 13:37
by candyslim
RKY wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 01:23
Miller will walk him down and stop him if his chin is adequate for his size.
I'm not sure I'd go that far, but I do think Miller is potentially very dangerous for Joshua depending on the unknown factor which you have correctly identified, namely how well Miller absorbs punishment.
If he can add durability to the cards he already holds, namely high work-rate and good stamina, that is a formidable combination of attributes which can overcome an opponent who is superior in power and technique. You need all three though work-rate, stamina, durability - two out of three won't cut it.
We simply don't know for sure but the big baby looks like he ought to be able to soak it up. Anybody dismissing Miller as a fat bum and a pushover for AJ is doing a massive disservice to both men imo.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 13:37
by oogiebe
RKY wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 01:23
Miller will walk him down and stop him if his chin is adequate for his size.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 13:40
by lillywhite14
candyslim wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 13:37
RKY wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 01:23
Miller will walk him down and stop him if his chin is adequate for his size.
I'm not sure I'd go that far, but I do think Miller is potentially very dangerous for Joshua depending on the unknown factor which you have correctly identified, namely how well Miller absorbs punishment.
If he can add durability to the cards he already holds, namely high work-rate and good stamina, that is a formidable combination of attributes which can overcome an opponent who is superior in power and technique. You need all three though work-rate, stamina, durability - two out of three won't cut it.
We simply don't know for sure but the big baby looks like he ought to be able to soak it up. Anybody dismissing Miller as a fat bum and a pushover for AJ is doing a massive disservice to both men imo.
I think Miller can trouble a lot of heavyweights with his style. Just don’t think Joshua is one of them.
It’s not doing Joshua a disservice by saying he’d smash Miller to bits. It’s the opposite!
For example, I think Miller would be a a very, very good workout for Fury for example. Fury wouldn’t hurt Miller imo. Joshua just hits too hard and would relish Millers style.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 13:45
by oogiebe
candyslim wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 13:37
RKY wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 01:23
Miller will walk him down and stop him if his chin is adequate for his size.
I'm not sure I'd go that far, but I do think Miller is potentially very dangerous for Joshua depending on the unknown factor which you have correctly identified, namely how well Miller absorbs punishment.
If he can add durability to the cards he already holds, namely high work-rate and good stamina, that is a formidable combination of attributes which can overcome an opponent who is superior in power and technique. You need all three though work-rate, stamina, durability - two out of three won't cut it.
We simply don't know for sure but the big baby looks like he ought to be able to soak it up. Anybody dismissing Miller as a fat bum and a pushover for AJ is doing a massive disservice to both men imo.
We don't know how Miller is in the ring with a live body, as he's fought no one of note. At 320LBS, he's a fat shvt for a professional athlete. Any HW poses a threat, but Miller would be beat down by AJ. I'll eat my words if I'm proven wrong, but Miller would be taking how many steps up in levels at this point, to face Joshua. He is ill-prepared to do so.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 13:59
by candyslim
@Lillywhite: I see what you mean but when I say 'a disservice to Joshua' I mean in dismissing his opponent as a soft touch. You just know what one or two Miller/ Joshua detractors on here are going to say if Joshua were to to a job on him reminiscent of what Joe Frazier did to Ron Stander?
Miller would be dismissed as an unworthy bum a la Charles Martin and AJ will be derided for taking on a 'fat fukc no hoper' instead of possibly one of the most dangerous opponents he could face.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 14:11
by candyslim
Yes Oogie I concede that there is nobody on Miller's record that could be described as adequate preparation for Joshua, there again Seferi and Piano-shifter were shocking preparation for Fury prior to Wilder.
It's not necessarily the crucial factor. Very often a dominant champion loses his title to an upstart who hasn't anyone on his record that might suggest him capable of such an achievement.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 14:24
by oogiebe
candyslim wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 14:11
Yes Oogie I concede that there is nobody on Miller's record that c ould be described as adequate preparation for Joshua, there again Seferi and Piano-shifter were shocking preparation for Fury prior to Wilder.
It's not necessarily the crucial factor. Very often a dominant champion loses his title to an upstart who hasn't anyone on his record that might suggest such him capable of such an achievement.
Of course titles change hands in surprising fashion often. Frazier was favored over Foreman; Baer/ Braddock, etc. His style is moving straight forward; doesn't move well; and IMHO plays into Joshua's style and power. While Miller shows stamina in his fights, it has been all against lesser opponents. All of his fights, that I have seen were at Miller's own pace. Against AJ it's a different story. AJ will press the action force Miller to do things he hasn't been forced to do in the ring before. Can he hold on if hurt? Can he fire back when under attack? etc. Remembering that the division is not deep and Miller is certainly in the top 6/7; the falloff in talent after the big three is sizable. I'd rather see Miller fight a top 15-20 fighter before fighting Anthony Joshua. I'm not an AJ fan, but he is a really good fighter. I'm not dismissing Miller; I just don't think he's really that good.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 15:13
by candyslim
All good points Oogie. The only thing I'd take issue with, I think Miller moves extremely well for such a big man. Not quite Buster Mathis but he has other qualities. I fully take your point about his stamina not being tested against high quality opposition or against someone who won't allow him to dictate the pace.
The fact he hasn't proved himself capable, doesn't mean he is not capable, or that he is. It's precisely because he is such an unknown quantity that makes him potentially dangerous. I mean we know all about Pulev's qualities for example. We know he is tough and has an excellent jab, but isn't a big puncher, can be hurt, and doesn't pressure his opponent with intensity. As a well known campaigner we can say with some assurance that Pulev is very definitely top ten, of respectable ability, and almost certainly no real threat to Joshua. It's precisely because we don't know the full extent of Miller's quality and deficiencies that make him a potential threat.
Of course Joshua might well destroy him, he doesn't seem too difficult to hit. Even if he does he should earn respect for taking Miller on. Whether he will I rather doubt. Miller is probably more likely to be written off as a super-sized tomato can and thrown on the pile with Charles Martin.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 15:16
by oogiebe
candyslim wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 15:13
All good points Oogie. The only thing I'd take issue with, I think Miller moves extremely well for such a big man. Not quite Buster Mathis but he has other qualities. I fully take your point about his stamina not being tested against high quality opposition or against someone who won't allow him to dictate the pace.
The fact he hasn't proved himself capable, doesn't mean he is not capable, or that he is. It's precisely because he is such an unknown quantity that makes him potentially dangerous. I mean we know all about Pulev's qualities for example. We know he is tough and has an excellent jab, but isn't a big puncher, can be hurt, and doesn't pressure his opponent with intensity. As a well known campaigner we can say with some assurance that Pulev is very definitely top ten, of respectable ability, and almost certainly no real threat to Joshua. It's precisely because we don't know the full extent of Miller's quality and deficiencies that make him a potential threat.
Of course Joshua might well destroy him, he doesn't seem too difficult to hit. Even if he does he should earn respect for taking Miller on. Whether he will I rather doubt. Miller is probably more likely to be written off as a super-sized tomato can and thrown on the pile with Charles Martin.
Agreed.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 16:02
by KiwiRider
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 16:05
by oogiebe
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 16:28
by dickbelden
AJ 4.2-1 over BABY MILLER midpoint oddschecker- too hi or too low ?
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 16:30
by oogiebe
dickbelden wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 16:28
AJ 4.2-1 over BABY MILLER midpoint oddschecker- too hi or too low ?
Not high enough to take a flier on Miller.
Re: BIG BABY MILLER vs AJ @ MSG-NYC-USA
Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 16:40
by KiwiRider
dickbelden wrote: ↑19 Jan 2019, 16:28
AJ 4.2-1 over BABY MILLER midpoint oddschecker- too hi or too low ?
It should be 25-1. I expect Miller to do
slightly better than Martin.
Miller has had better preparation than Martin, which isn't saying much, but Joshua is nearly twice the fighter now as he was against Martin.