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Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 06:49
by knockout artist
Can this be set up as a sticky?

It is a petition I have set up.

The BBC are going to drop Boxing.

Please air your views, they will be presented to Peter Salmon and Michael Grade.

See copy of my letter sent to Seconds Out at Boxing News, for full details:

Dear Sirs,

Like many other boxing fans, I am gravely concerned about the future of professional boxing in this country. It appears the BBC will withdraw from covering the sport at the end of March while Sky, for so long a great supporter of the game, has now cancelled its popular Ringside programme and switched its weekly live show to a Friday thus denying boxing column inches in the early football-packed editions of the Saturday newspapers.

The BBC’s apparent decision to leave professional boxing has come against a groundswell of public opposition and it seems, in doing so, that the Corporation has ignored a large number of its license payers who, according to its charter, should have their reasonable views taken into consideration. It has even been suggested that, following Amir Khan’s wonderful showing in the Olympics, the BBC will concentrate solely on broadcasting the (cheaper) amateur code.

And yet, even at this late stage, the BBC’s true position remains unclear. Fight fans have continually written to the BBC in protest at its apparent withdrawal, demanding a lucid explanation, but have received conflicting answers and often no answer at all. Some were informed that the BBC will be leaving professional boxing entirely in March 2005 while others have been told it will carry on in a reduced capacity (in the form of amateur boxing only) and that production costs could be the underlying factor in this decision. And some were even told that the BBC will not leave pro boxing, but its coverage will be reduced!

I am one of a large number of fight fans, and passionate followers of the sport, who have become frustrated by the mixed messages and clouded dogma emanating from the BBC regarding the future and long-term health of the sport I love.

There are several questions I have yet to receive a clear or satisfactory answer to and would like to put to the Corporation including:

Is the cost of production the principal issue in BBC’s decision to leave professional boxing, as it believes amateur boxing is a cheaper option?

If the cost of professional boxing were to be lowered, would this have a bearing on the BBC’s decision?

What is the rationale in following an amateur boxer (like Amir Khan) in his unpaid career and stopping before he fulfils his dream in the professional ranks, where the credentials of fighters are measured historically? All amateurs aspire to be successful professionals and to ignore them when they switched codes would be like following Arsenal’s youth squad and not its first team proper.

When someone buys shares in a company they can attend an AGM and present their views – in the case of the BBC this should be in the hands of the public yet, in contravention of the BBC’s Charter, there appears to be no forum where the public can make themselves heard by the powers that be. Just why is there no forum amid the BBC where the public can receive a coherent and official response?

Boxing has provided a genuine role model in Amir Khan (who has done more for race relations than any politician) and Bernard Hopkins (who has shown hard work, dedication and moral fortitude can transform an ex-con into an inspirational world champion). What role models has football provided recently? David Beckham? Wayne Rooney? Or is a petulant and profane tennis player from a privileged background the BBC’s idea as a role model for the youngsters of this country?

The sport continues to aid those trapped at the harder edge of life. Police are now actively using boxing as way to channel the energies of the wayward youth of our society and are turning them away from drugs and crime to a more positive and fulfilling life – is this not a sport the BBC believes should be encouraged?

The BBC Charter says the Corporation needs to be responsive to members of its viewing public and listen to its opinions when they are in the public interest – but at this stage that promise has been ignored by the powers that be.

Some fight fans are beginning to believe that class is an issue in the Corporation’s decision to withdraw from pro boxing and that the BBC is nothing more than a middle class vehicle, existing only to satisfy readers of the Daily Mail with a steady drip of tennis and period dramas.

If fight fans and the boxing trade do not receive a clear and satisfactory answer to the questions posed here, and there is no formal way to make our protest heard, it seems as if public demonstrations outside the BBC might be the only way to make our voices understood. And that is something I, and a lot of other people I know, may be forced to consider.

Boxing fans should be determined to make their voices heard and not go down without a fight. Readers of Boxing News are encouraged to email their opinions, along with their name and address, to an online petition that I have set up to present to the BBC. The address is [email protected] - readers can also ask key members of the BBC for an explanation by emailing [email protected] [email protected] and [email protected].

Together, I have no doubt that the boxing fans of this country can help save the sport we love from extinction before reduced television coverage and exposure makes that a dreadful possibility.



Yours faithfully,

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 07:01
by jamesmcdonnell
I will get this put up at maxboxing.

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 07:27
by REAL_DEAL
wow i remember not so long ago everyone hated the bbc :roll: i was one of the only fans. :TU: maybe people are beging to open their eyes and see there will be nothing but mismathes everyweek on other channels, when bbc is gone :roll:

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 08:15
by Priff
REAL_DEAL wrote:wow i remember not so long ago everyone hated the bbc :roll: i was one of the only fans. :TU: maybe people are beging to open their eyes and see there will be nothing but mismathes everyweek on other channels, when bbc is gone :roll:
I lot of people hated the bbc because their efforts were half hearted (late night, Audley saga) and they knew that as soon as the Premiership returned to the BBC, they would ditch boxing in a Flash.
Consequently, they were keen for up-coming boxers NOT to sign with BBC based promoters and were worried at what they felt the BBC would do to their promoters and fighters when the footy returned.

Time has shown the criticisms to be largely accurate. I think you Smugness may be a little mis-placed. Just my opinion though.

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 08:30
by REAL_DEAL
BBC are idiots thou.

they bought the premership rights and you can watch the game of the day on sky at 8.30pm and then whatever match you want after it :lol:

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 09:04
by jamesmcdonnell
Priff wrote:
REAL_DEAL wrote:wow i remember not so long ago everyone hated the bbc :roll: i was one of the only fans. :TU: maybe people are beging to open their eyes and see there will be nothing but mismathes everyweek on other channels, when bbc is gone :roll:
I lot of people hated the bbc because their efforts were half hearted (late night, Audley saga) and they knew that as soon as the Premiership returned to the BBC, they would ditch boxing in a Flash.
Consequently, they were keen for up-coming boxers NOT to sign with BBC based promoters and were worried at what they felt the BBC would do to their promoters and fighters when the footy returned.

Time has shown the criticisms to be largely accurate. I think you Smugness may be a little mis-placed. Just my opinion though.
You're correct, the rumours of the demise of boxing on the Beeb have been flying around for a long long time, and everything we have heard in this regard has turned out to be true.

The BBC are not interested in the sport, football is their god, boxing doesn't even come a close second.

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 11:34
by Loftgroov
This is an excellent idea ...though sadly I fear it will be rubutted by the BBC on supply and demand grounds.

From the BBCs perspective it may get 5,000 people write to them saying to leave boxing on TV, and can simply argue that 50+ million people didn't write in...

It isn't a big conspiracy... the BBC just show people want they want.

How much Ice hockey does the BBC show? How much squash? How much 3-day eventing?

What if you were a die hard fan of one of those sports, like we are about boxing? It's improtant we put things into perspective.

FACT 1 - Most of the British population are idiots

FACT 2 - Most of the British population would prefer watching a re-run of Dad's Army than they would watching a Carl Froch fight. :o

FACT 3 - The BBC has to answer to FACT 2


It's that simple. Boxing has to raise it's profile. The Director of the BBC doesn't give a fornicate that Loftgroov, Bennie, Matchfixer et al want boxing on TV when nobody else does........... :-?

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 15:34
by Manos de Oro
It's a good letter knockout artist. There is also an online petition thing you can do through the internet, though I'm not sure how serious the suits would take it.

http://www.petitiononline.com/

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 15:59
by ArtOfWar
After having thought about it, I don't blame the BBC at all for getting rid of boxing. Why the fornicate would they shell out for the absolute shit that's on offer in this country?

Any time a big fight is mentioned, the promoters start demanding ludicrous amounts of money, which means the fight doesn't get made. Then we end up watching a British fighter against some Eastern European, or African no name. Is the average Joe gonna be drawn to boxing watching these fights?

The fornicating street hustlers that call themselves managers and promoters are to blame for this. Boxing has no infrastructure, so any half arsed, shit talking muppet can get involved with the sport.

If you were one of the bosses at the BBC, would you want to deal with these types of people? I certainly fornicating wouldn't.

The fans are responsible for this shit also, because you (I say you, because I don't shell out for any of the shite tht's normally put on) keep going to watch complete mis-matches.

STOP BUYING fornicating PPV FIGHTS, AND STOP GOING TO SHIT SHOWS LIKE MCFATTON V STEWART. Then better quality fights would be made for resonable money. Remember, the money demanded by promoters, managers, fighters etc is driven by the market. They'll take whatever your giving. So, if your a blind pudendum, they'll take the piss.

Before anyone says anything, I know PPV has nothing to do with the BBC, but it's still a problem with boxing.

Posted: 24 Oct 2004, 12:16
by JimStone
BOLLOCKS19842003 wrote:After having thought about it, I don't blame the BBC at all for getting rid of boxing. Why the fornicate would they shell out for the absolute shit that's on offer in this country?

Any time a big fight is mentioned, the promoters start demanding ludicrous amounts of money, which means the fight doesn't get made. Then we end up watching a British fighter against some Eastern European, or African no name. Is the average Joe gonna be drawn to boxing watching these fights?

The fornicating street hustlers that call themselves managers and promoters are to blame for this. Boxing has no infrastructure, so any half arsed, shit talking muppet can get involved with the sport.

If you were one of the bosses at the BBC, would you want to deal with these types of people? I certainly fornicating wouldn't.

The fans are responsible for this shit also, because you (I say you, because I don't shell out for any of the shite tht's normally put on) keep going to watch complete mis-matches.

STOP BUYING fornicating PPV FIGHTS, AND STOP GOING TO SHIT SHOWS LIKE MCFATTON V STEWART. Then better quality fights would be made for resonable money. Remember, the money demanded by promoters, managers, fighters etc is driven by the market. They'll take whatever your giving. So, if your a blind pudendum, they'll take the piss.

Before anyone says anything, I know PPV has nothing to do with the BBC, but it's still a problem with boxing.
Good post :TU:

Posted: 25 Oct 2004, 06:27
by Loftgroov
FlawedGenius wrote:
BOLLOCKS19842003 wrote:After having thought about it, I don't blame the BBC at all for getting rid of boxing. Why the fornicate would they shell out for the absolute shit that's on offer in this country?

Any time a big fight is mentioned, the promoters start demanding ludicrous amounts of money, which means the fight doesn't get made. Then we end up watching a British fighter against some Eastern European, or African no name. Is the average Joe gonna be drawn to boxing watching these fights?

The fornicating street hustlers that call themselves managers and promoters are to blame for this. Boxing has no infrastructure, so any half arsed, shit talking muppet can get involved with the sport.

If you were one of the bosses at the BBC, would you want to deal with these types of people? I certainly fornicating wouldn't.

The fans are responsible for this shit also, because you (I say you, because I don't shell out for any of the shite tht's normally put on) keep going to watch complete mis-matches.

STOP BUYING fornicating PPV FIGHTS, AND STOP GOING TO SHIT SHOWS LIKE MCFATTON V STEWART. Then better quality fights would be made for resonable money. Remember, the money demanded by promoters, managers, fighters etc is driven by the market. They'll take whatever your giving. So, if your a blind pudendum, they'll take the piss.

Before anyone says anything, I know PPV has nothing to do with the BBC, but it's still a problem with boxing.
Good post :TU:
Good post indeed!

WE (the fans) complain about the state of boxing, yet WE are the ones that perpetuate the problem...

Posted: 25 Oct 2004, 10:38
by bennie
Your letter will be in the November 5 edition of BN, knockout artist. We do the letters page early (to get it out of the way) and yours came in after this weeks' had been done.

Posted: 10 Nov 2004, 08:55
by Hellephant
Loftgroov wrote: FACT 1 - Most of the British population are idiots
Oh, yes they are. Britain has one of boxing's greatest characters, Howard Eastman, but no one seems to understand the beauty. When Eastman fought Joppy in the states, the crowd immediately acknowledged Eastman, and here in Sweden he's as popular as Hopkins or Mosley. In England Eastman seems to get no respect, and no appreciation. So in my eyes, they don't deserve to have boxing on the square-box.

Posted: 10 Nov 2004, 09:51
by Hardhitters11
Hellephant wrote:
Loftgroov wrote: FACT 1 - Most of the British population are idiots
Oh, yes they are. Britain has one of boxing's greatest characters, Howard Eastman, but no one seems to understand the beauty. When Eastman fought Joppy in the states, the crowd immediately acknowledged Eastman, and here in Sweden he's as popular as Hopkins or Mosley. In England Eastman seems to get no respect, and no appreciation. So in my eyes, they don't deserve to have boxing on the square-box.
Eastman is respected in Britain mate but he has not helped himself by doing very little since losing to Joppy.

He could have gone straight back at top opposition but was content to sit back and fight nobodies...

I think every boxing fan in Britain acknowledges that Eastman is a big talent tho'.

HH

Posted: 10 Nov 2004, 11:16
by Hellephant
Hardhitters11 wrote:Eastman is respected in Britain mate but he has not helped himself by doing very little since losing to Joppy.

He could have gone straight back at top opposition but was content to sit back and fight nobodies...

I think every boxing fan in Britain acknowledges that Eastman is a big talent tho'.
HH
Every time I see the bbc broadcast from an Eastman fight, the commentators speaks about how little interest there is in Eastman. His fights are boring, not crowd pleasing at all, impossible to sell tickets, he has no followers what so ever. They want him to step up a gear, knock the journeyman out. The English spectators just want Calzage, they don't understand any other type of boxing than "sluggerboxing"......it's a fact.

Posted: 17 Jan 2005, 16:36
by overhand_right
Yes!

Lets save BBC boxing! The image of the sport has been so enhanced by the BBCs coverage, what with their embarrasing lack of production values (shittest theme tune ever, no studio, budget presentation), zero amount of quality control of what fighters/titles they broadcast, use of coma-inducing punters and analysts, bad choice of fighters and insulting promos (carl froch cartoon strip, anyone)

Face it. The BBC have damaged the sports credibility and the best thing for them would be to get the fornicate out of the game. They were always shit, and now even more so.

Rather than wasting your time trying to get the BBC to keep playing HBO rejects at 2 in the morning is campaign for bad ass ITV to come back.

ITV made stars of all those fighters, ITV had fight night with its instantly semen-inducing theme tune, ITV promoted all their fights in prime time, and it was ITV who with their last 3 fights (1995) pulled in 15 million viewers a time for Bruno/Marin, Benn/McClellan, Hamed/Liendo.

ITV were always top dog, BBC will only ever plummet the depths and never give the game any semblence of respect or investment.

Get over it.