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......with the money being offered and he's not happy with the lack of time to do a proper drug testing protocol with VADA."

It was reported that Joshua was doing his strength and conditioning in Portland, Oregon and he's also been training in Dubai. Are these off-limits for UKAD testers?

I like Whyte. He will go in with anyone and knows his worth. No one else is fighting his corner, so he is doing it himself.

Yeah, whytes a stand-up guy, and you can't help but respect that

big lennox wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 08:15 I like Whyte. He will go in with anyone and knows his worth. No one else is fighting his corner, so he is doing it himself.

He has a manager in this surely. Mad if he hasn't.

Why would he care about drug testing protocols..........?

All protein and creatine brah

samwbr wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 09:03

big lennox wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 08:15 I like Whyte. He will go in with anyone and knows his worth. No one else is fighting his corner, so he is doing it himself.

He has a manager in this surely. Mad if he hasn't.

He is self managed. Had been dealing with most recent negotiations himself.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 13:31

samwbr wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 09:03

big lennox wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 08:15 I like Whyte. He will go in with anyone and knows his worth. No one else is fighting his corner, so he is doing it himself.

He has a manager in this surely. Mad if he hasn't.

He is self managed. Had been dealing with most recent negotiations himself.

Could be a foolish move as he might not get the chance again. I think hes over rated myself.

ThereByTheGrace wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:09

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 13:31

samwbr wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 09:03

big lennox wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 08:15 I like Whyte. He will go in with anyone and knows his worth. No one else is fighting his corner, so he is doing it himself.

He has a manager in this surely. Mad if he hasn't.

He is self managed. Had been dealing with most recent negotiations himself.

Could be a foolish move as he might not get the chance again. I think hes over rated myself.

Agreed. I don't understand how so many fighters are not jumping at the chance for a world title opportunity.

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:18

ThereByTheGrace wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:09

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 13:31

samwbr wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 09:03

big lennox wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 08:15 I like Whyte. He will go in with anyone and knows his worth. No one else is fighting his corner, so he is doing it himself.

He has a manager in this surely. Mad if he hasn't.

He is self managed. Had been dealing with most recent negotiations himself.

Could be a foolish move as he might not get the chance again. I think hes over rated myself.

Agreed. I don't understand how so many fighters are not jumping at the chance for a world title opportunity.

There will be numerous fighters willing to take peanuts to face Joshua. Just not the top 6.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:32

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:18
Could be a foolish move as he might not get the chance again. I think hes over rated myself.

Agreed. I don't understand how so many fighters are not jumping at the chance for a world title opportunity.

There will be numerous fighters willing to take peanuts to face Joshua. Just not the top 6.
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Whyte: Not enough time...not enough dollars...
Miller: NFL contract (ridiculous); not enough dollars

To me they know they can't win, so they are doing their best for another couple of paydays before going down in flames. What else can it be, really?

Either they are waiting for a big pay day or praying boxing politics strips aj of a few belts and do it the easier way

ThereByTheGrace wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:39 Either they are waiting for a big pay day or praying boxing politics strips aj of a few belts and do it the easier way

LOL!!! But they'd be waiting a long time, as the sanctioning bodies know where their bread is buttered.

Hearn is ruining Joshua's career. Offering peanuts to opponents. He's already been played by fury and wilder and Joshua looks like he's ducking fights. To anyone not on this British forum of course.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:40 Hearn is ruining Joshua's career. Offering peanuts to opponents. He's already been played by fury and wilder and Joshua looks like he's ducking fights. To anyone not on this British forum of course.

No one can/should blame AJ himself. Hearn is the beasty pig here. If the Wembley fight is pushed off, then AJ will only have two fights this year. How is that a better money play than three??

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:40

ThereByTheGrace wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:39 Either they are waiting for a big pay day or praying boxing politics strips aj of a few belts and do it the easier way

LOL!!! But they'd be waiting a long time, as the sanctioning bodies know where their bread is buttered.

Whyte is ranked 1 in the WBO. He can force a mandatory eventuay and get paid more than hearn is offering now

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:42

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:40 Hearn is ruining Joshua's career. Offering peanuts to opponents. He's already been played by fury and wilder and Joshua looks like he's ducking fights. To anyone not on this British forum of course.

No one can/should blame AJ himself. Hearn is the beasty pig here. If the Wembley fight is pushed off, then AJ will only have two fights this year. How is that a better money play than three??

Yeah Joshua can do no wrong

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:43

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:40

ThereByTheGrace wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:39 Either they are waiting for a big pay day or praying boxing politics strips aj of a few belts and do it the easier way

LOL!!! But they'd be waiting a long time, as the sanctioning bodies know where their bread is buttered.

Whyte is ranked 1 in the WBO. He can force a mandatory eventuay and get paid more than hearn is offering now

There's no guarantee that a sanctioning body will enforce the mandatory, so that is risky play.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:44

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:42

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:40 Hearn is ruining Joshua's career. Offering peanuts to opponents. He's already been played by fury and wilder and Joshua looks like he's ducking fights. To anyone not on this British forum of course.

No one can/should blame AJ himself. Hearn is the beasty pig here. If the Wembley fight is pushed off, then AJ will only have two fights this year. How is that a better money play than three??

Yeah Joshua can do no wrong

Not my point. I don't necessarily like AJ, but he is not the negotiator here. I only can blame him for not stepping in and demanding one of these fights.

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:45

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:44

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:42

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:40 Hearn is ruining Joshua's career. Offering peanuts to opponents. He's already been played by fury and wilder and Joshua looks like he's ducking fights. To anyone not on this British forum of course.

No one can/should blame AJ himself. Hearn is the beasty pig here. If the Wembley fight is pushed off, then AJ will only have two fights this year. How is that a better money play than three??

Yeah Joshua can do no wrong

Not my point. I don't necessarily like AJ, but he is not the negotiator here. I only can blame him for not stepping in and demanding one of these fights.

It no coinsidence that they have problems negotiating every fight. Meanwhile big fights like wilder fury get made in an instant. I'll take word and side of the people making the big risky 50:50 fights and taking risks rather than the guy who is at least 1/12 at the bookies every time he fights over matched opponents.
It's always the opponents fault of course. Joshua is basically seen as a ducker now. He's the one who needs a big fight to save his reputation.

Turning down millions is a huge kick in the balls for all the ex title challengers who took their chance for a few grand and then ended up broke afterwards

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:54

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:45

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:44

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:42

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:40 Hearn is ruining Joshua's career. Offering peanuts to opponents. He's already been played by fury and wilder and Joshua looks like he's ducking fights. To anyone not on this British forum of course.

No one can/should blame AJ himself. Hearn is the beasty pig here. If the Wembley fight is pushed off, then AJ will only have two fights this year. How is that a better money play than three??

Yeah Joshua can do no wrong

Not my point. I don't necessarily like AJ, but he is not the negotiator here. I only can blame him for not stepping in and demanding one of these fights.

It no coinsidence that they have problems negotiating every fight. Meanwhile big fights like wilder fury get made in an instant. I'll take word and side of the people making the big risky 50:50 fights and taking risks rather than the guy who is at least 1/12 at the bookies every time he fights over matched opponents.
It's always the opponents fault of course. Joshua is basically seen as a ducker now. He's the one who needs a big fight to save his reputation.

You aren't wrong. Just that the poster posed the question about AJ going it without Hearn. You seem to blame the fighter and not the promoter, here. I'm sure it's partly both, and yes, it seems like every f'n fight has negotiating drama when Joshua is one of the participants. He should go it alone and make the fights he wants, which hopefully will be the ones the fans want as well. In his defense, Joshua has beaten three of the current top 10 fighters (Whyte, Breazeale, Povetkin). Two are negotiating tough right now with AJ (Miller/Whyte); Two are negotiating their rematch (Wilder/Fury); Ortiz is scheduled to fight already; Pulev is mandatory right now (if I'm not mistaken). AJ is in a bad position right now (I'm enjoying that), due to his own doing. I still think he will fight Miller and Hearn will put Whyte in a headliner fight at Wembley in April, waiting for Whyte to be named mandatory before AJ will rematch him, which is a smart move.

Hearn should shoulder most of the blame as he has put Whyte as a PPV headliner before, so he knows his worth and don't want pony money for a bigger fight.

smiling assassin wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 15:14 Hearn should shoulder most of the blame as he has put Whyte as a PPV headliner before, so he knows his worth and don't want pony money for a bigger fight.

Of course he should. He is the primary issue. What worked for him before is now creating problems. I hope AJ leaves Hearn and demands the fights we the fans want.

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:45 Not my point. I don't necessarily like AJ, but he is not the negotiator here. I only can blame him for not stepping in and demanding one of these fights.

According to Hearn, Joshua runs the show and decides on the money that's offered.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 16:20

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Feb 2019, 14:45 Not my point. I don't necessarily like AJ, but he is not the negotiator here. I only can blame him for not stepping in and demanding one of these fights.

According to Hearn, Joshua runs the show and decides on the money that's offered.

Yep! Hearn that said. Anytime an offer is/was made to Whyte, it was AJ making the offer.