"There isn't an ounce of killer in him. Not the slightest zest for fighting. He's a big, superbly built Negro youth who was born to listen to jazz music, eat lots of fried chicken, play ball with the gang on the corner, and never do a lick of heavy work he could escape. The chances are he came by those inclinations naturally," --- Bill Corum, New York Journal.
After the Braddock fight:
"The hulking brown body might have been lolling in a cabin doorway in Alabama, listening to somebody inside making mouth music . . . an uninformed visitor would never have thought that anybody had ever called this smooth face, placid, slightly sullen Negro youth a jungle killer." --- R. G. Lynch, Milwaukee Journal.
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Posted: 08 Feb 2019, 17:57
by Caractacus
yeah, but wasn't he also the same dude who goes into the gym when Joe Louis is hitting a speed bag and says to him as he is walking by "Forget it kid, you'll never make it",
in the 1946 movie JOE PALOOKA,CHAMP ?
( btw Joe Palooka was Joe Louis favorite comic strip back in the 1930's when he would read the Sunday morning paper at training camp.
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Posted: 08 Feb 2019, 18:59
by APerno
Caractacus wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 17:57
yeah, but wasn't he also the same dude who goes into the gym when Joe Louis is hitting a speed bag and says to him as he is walking by "Forget it kid, you'll never make it",
in the 1946 movie JOE PALOOKA,CHAMP ?
( btw Joe Palooka was Joe Louis favorite comic strip back in the 1930's when he would read the Sunday morning paper at training camp.
Which one? The bottom quote I hope because the top guy is a racist scum bag - not that the bottom quote, Lynch is much nicer - didn't know JL had a cameo in a Joe Palooka movie will have to check that out - I just went and looked on IMDB - also cameos by HenryArmstrong, Jimmy McLarin, and Cerfino Garcia and with Lou Nova actually playing a character not just himself - I'll bet Nova is the villian - they also mention a Joseph Glick ever here of him? - I saw no mention of either of the two newspaper writers above but that does not mean it wasnt one of them - My favorite Joe Palooka film is PALOOKA with Jimmy Durante playing Nobby Walsh but it has no cool cameos like the 46 version but Durante chews the scenery as Nobby Walsh, you can imagine he's great
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Posted: 08 Feb 2019, 19:05
by APerno
Damn just looked up Joe Glick - should have known about him - 230 fights - over 120 wins - need to take a closer look at his record.
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Posted: 08 Feb 2019, 20:56
by BitPlayer
For the most part he seems to have been seen as something special even before he won the title. I don't think these are really representative.
Baer mentions him here
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Posted: 08 Feb 2019, 21:04
by APerno
BitPlayer wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 20:56
For the most part he seems to have been seen as something special even before he won the title. I don't think these are really representative.
Baer mentions him here
You are probably correct, most like Joe Louis, it was just some of the racist papers that went after him with this kind of race-baiting crap. -- But I'll tell you, if you have the chance, listen to the Louis-Baer fight on the radio (Youtube) during the introductions there is this two minute long plead to the crowd besieging them to accept the age old motto, 'may the best man win.' You can sense the apprehension that a Louis victory may result in racial violence; there was this underlying fear that the racism will suddenly rear it's ugly head.
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Posted: 08 Feb 2019, 21:06
by APerno
Posted by error.
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
BitPlayer wrote: ↑08 Feb 2019, 20:56
For the most part he seems to have been seen as something special even before he won the title. I don't think these are really representative.
Baer mentions him here
You are probably correct, most like Joe Louis, it was just some of the racist papers that went after him with this kind of race-baiting crap. -- But I'll tell you, if you have the chance, listen to the Louis-Baer fight on the radio (Youtube) during the introductions there is this two minute long plead to the crowd besieging them to accept the age old motto, 'may the best man win.' You can sense the apprehension that a Louis victory may result in racial violence; there was this underlying fear that the racism will suddenly rear it's ugly head.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
This is the broadcast - listen to the entire opening, the hyperbole is delicious; the disclaimer I am referring to starts around 10:30 in, but really listen to the entire opening it is wonderful. The allusions and metaphors are so over the top, e.g. "the jungle man vs. the jester" and the announcer goes on and on!
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Posted: 11 Feb 2019, 19:04
by Caractacus
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Posted: 12 Feb 2019, 10:14
by Tony1244
APerno wrote: ↑07 Feb 2019, 23:23
Before the Braddock fight:
"There isn't an ounce of killer in him. Not the slightest zest for fighting. He's a big, superbly built Negro youth who was born to listen to jazz music, eat lots of fried chicken, play ball with the gang on the corner, and never do a lick of heavy work he could escape. The chances are he came by those inclinations naturally," --- Bill Corum, New York Journal.
After the Braddock fight:
"The hulking brown body might have been lolling in a cabin doorway in Alabama, listening to somebody inside making mouth music . . . an uninformed visitor would never have thought that anybody had ever called this smooth face, placid, slightly sullen Negro youth a jungle killer." --- R. G. Lynch, Milwaukee Journal.
The first guy reminds me of the guys who said, "Why would anyone ever want or need a phone or computer?"
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Posted: 12 Feb 2019, 12:03
by oogiebe
Here's a bit of racist trivia: Films of Louis' fights were overexposed on purpose as to negate his dark skin. America has really had some dark times.
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Posted: 12 Feb 2019, 12:21
by Tuan_Jim
Perhaps Bill Corum's words were simply based on his own personal observations?
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Posted: 12 Feb 2019, 12:28
by oogiebe
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑12 Feb 2019, 12:21
Perhaps Bill Corum's words were simply based on his own personal observations?
Seriously? Eats fried chicken; plays ball; born to listen to jazz? Hangs out with the gang? FFS, are you kidding me?
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Posted: 12 Feb 2019, 12:31
by Counter-puncher
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑12 Feb 2019, 12:21
Perhaps Bill Corum's words were simply based on his own personal observations?
his own personal observations being more than sufficient basis for the view that negroes naturally 'listen to jazz music, eat lots of fried chicken, play ball with the gang on the corner, and never do a lick of heavy work (they) could escape'??????
actually, forget logic and reason, where race is concerned, you're a pudendum, mate.
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑12 Feb 2019, 12:21
Perhaps Bill Corum's words were simply based on his own personal observations?
his own personal observations being more than sufficient basis for the view that negroes naturally 'listen to jazz music, eat lots of fried chicken, play ball with the gang on the corner, and never do a lick of heavy work (they) could escape'??????
actually, forget logic and reason, where race is concerned, you're a pudendum, mate.
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Posted: 12 Feb 2019, 12:37
by banjo
Did they even have fried chicken in 1937? I thought KFC didn't begin until the 50's.
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Posted: 12 Feb 2019, 12:40
by oogiebe
banjo wrote: ↑12 Feb 2019, 12:37
Did they even have fried chicken in 1937? I thought KFC didn't begin until the 50's.
Hate KFC. Chick-filet is my brand!
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Posted: 12 Feb 2019, 12:46
by Counter-puncher
banjo wrote: ↑12 Feb 2019, 12:37
Did they even have fried chicken in 1937? I thought KFC didn't begin until the 50's.
no, nobody had access to oil or a pan to fry things in
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
banjo wrote: ↑12 Feb 2019, 12:37
Did they even have fried chicken in 1937? I thought KFC didn't begin until the 50's.
no, nobody had access to oil or a pan to fry things in
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Posted: 12 Feb 2019, 14:14
by APerno
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Feb 2019, 12:03
Here's a bit of racist trivia: Films of Louis' fights were overexposed on purpose as to negate his dark skin. America has really had some dark times.
HAD some dark times?
Do you remember Time Magazine during the OJ Simpson murders? (I am not sure, are you a Brit?) Time and Newsweek used the same AP photo of Simpson, (with Time feeding to a conservative audience and Newsweek to a liberal one), Time didn't know that Newsweek was about to use the same AP released photo on their cover as they were about to use; when the two magazines hit the newsstands at the same time, we discovered Time Magazine had darkened OJ skin color. That was 1994.
Think about our current president; nothing ever really changes but the date; America is still a deeply racist society. We already paid dearly once for that racism, with 620,000 dead, wonder were we are headed now? They attend political rallies and chant hate like third world peasants, and our current "leader" brags about it.
So I ask again what do you mean HAD some dark times? It's midnight here.
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Feb 2019, 12:03
Here's a bit of racist trivia: Films of Louis' fights were overexposed on purpose as to negate his dark skin. America has really had some dark times.
HAD some dark times?
Do you remember Time Magazine during the OJ Simpson murders? (I am not sure, are you a Brit?) Time and Newsweek used the same AP photo of Simpson, (with Time feeding to a conservative audience and Newsweek to a liberal one), Time didn't know that Newsweek was about to use the same AP released photo on their cover as they were about to use; when the two magazines hit the newsstands at the same time, we discovered Time Magazine had darkened OJ skin color. That was 1994.
Think about our current president; nothing ever really changes but the date; America is still a deeply racist society. We already paid dearly once for that racism, with 620,000 dead, wonder were we are headed now? They attend political rallies and chant hate like third world peasants, and our current "leader" brags about it.
So I ask again what do you mean HAD some dark times? It's midnight here.
I'm not going to be dragged into this argument. I appreciate your point, but I'm not here on BoxRec to discuss or debate such topics.
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
Posted: 12 Feb 2019, 14:31
by APerno
From Mental Floss: "The dish is thought of as an American classic today, but people were deep-frying chicken in Britain during the early 1700s."
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Feb 2019, 12:03
Here's a bit of racist trivia: Films of Louis' fights were overexposed on purpose as to negate his dark skin. America has really had some dark times.
HAD some dark times?
Do you remember Time Magazine during the OJ Simpson murders? (I am not sure, are you a Brit?) Time and Newsweek used the same AP photo of Simpson, (with Time feeding to a conservative audience and Newsweek to a liberal one), Time didn't know that Newsweek was about to use the same AP released photo on their cover as they were about to use; when the two magazines hit the newsstands at the same time, we discovered Time Magazine had darkened OJ skin color. That was 1994.
Think about our current president; nothing ever really changes but the date; America is still a deeply racist society. We already paid dearly once for that racism, with 620,000 dead, wonder were we are headed now? They attend political rallies and chant hate like third world peasants, and our current "leader" brags about it.
So I ask again what do you mean HAD some dark times? It's midnight here.
I'm not going to be dragged into this argument. I appreciate your point, but I'm not here on BoxRec to discuss or debate such topics.
Fair enough! Sorry I lost it! Wrong place and time.
Re: For some Joe Louis couldn't even win by winning.
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Feb 2019, 12:03
Here's a bit of racist trivia: Films of Louis' fights were overexposed on purpose as to negate his dark skin. America has really had some dark times.
HAD some dark times?
Do you remember Time Magazine during the OJ Simpson murders? (I am not sure, are you a Brit?) Time and Newsweek used the same AP photo of Simpson, (with Time feeding to a conservative audience and Newsweek to a liberal one), Time didn't know that Newsweek was about to use the same AP released photo on their cover as they were about to use; when the two magazines hit the newsstands at the same time, we discovered Time Magazine had darkened OJ skin color. That was 1994.
Think about our current president; nothing ever really changes but the date; America is still a deeply racist society. We already paid dearly once for that racism, with 620,000 dead, wonder were we are headed now? They attend political rallies and chant hate like third world peasants, and our current "leader" brags about it.
So I ask again what do you mean HAD some dark times? It's midnight here.
I'm not going to be dragged into this argument. I appreciate your point, but I'm not here on BoxRec to discuss or debate such topics.
Fair enough! Sorry I lost it!
No apologies necessary. It's a sensitive topic, and far from resolved.
Hate KFC. Chick-filet is my brand!
It's midnight here.