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Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 14 Feb 2019, 16:36
by ValMar
What do you expect ?
Mighty Hearn against American crowd ?
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 14 Feb 2019, 16:41
by SenorPipino
I expect fair judging. I always do.
These "the judges are bought" conspiracy theories aren't my thing.
The judges will favor the fighter who appears to win the round. No more. No less.
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 14 Feb 2019, 16:45
by ValMar
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 16:41
I expect fair judging. I always do.
These "the judges are bought" conspiracy theories aren't my thing.
The judges will favor the fighter who appears to win the round. No more. No less.
Wonderful, wonderful life.................
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 14 Feb 2019, 16:47
by paddy chavez
Who knows America has become a bit of a joke in big fights scoring wise recently not necessarily the outcome more so the difference between the judges one will have it 9_3 to one fighter and the other two 8-4 the other way around
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 14 Feb 2019, 16:59
by littlepug
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 16:41
I expect fair judging. I always do.
These "the judges are bought" conspiracy theories aren't my thing.
The judges will favor the fighter who appears to win the round. No more. No less.
Same here, it amazes me that people constantly call foul play over scoring when all it takes is a few swing rounds to be scored for one side to give a wider or closer scorecard than expected
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 14 Feb 2019, 17:11
by oogiebe
I don't think the judges will be necessary.
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 14 Feb 2019, 17:19
by Onetimeonly
Definitely aj, not that he'll need it.
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 14 Feb 2019, 17:22
by Rob3_142
littlepug wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 16:59
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 16:41
I expect fair judging. I always do.
These "the judges are bought" conspiracy theories aren't my thing.
The judges will favor the fighter who appears to win the round. No more. No less.
Same here, it amazes me that people constantly call foul play over scoring when all it takes is a few swing rounds to be scored for one side to give a wider or closer scorecard than expected
I don't think conspiracy theory per se, but the GGG-Canelo judging (especially in the first fight) and Wilder-Fury outcome was very confusing.
I understand that judge scoring is subjective, but it should be to a certain extent objective. It is of course then very confusing how two judges judging the same fight can have almost polar opposite scorecards.
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 14 Feb 2019, 17:53
by littlepug
Rob3_142 wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 17:22
littlepug wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 16:59
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 16:41
I expect fair judging. I always do.
These "the judges are bought" conspiracy theories aren't my thing.
The judges will favor the fighter who appears to win the round. No more. No less.
Same here, it amazes me that people constantly call foul play over scoring when all it takes is a few swing rounds to be scored for one side to give a wider or closer scorecard than expected
I don't think conspiracy theory per se, but the GGG-Canelo judging (especially in the first fight) and Wilder-Fury outcome was very confusing.
I understand that judge scoring is subjective, but it should be to a certain extent objective. It is of course then very confusing how two judges judging the same fight can have almost polar opposite scorecards.
I understand what you’re saying but if 2 judges go opposite ways in a few swing rounds it can happen, plus look how many argue on here about who won what, if we can see different things then so can the judges
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 14 Feb 2019, 19:25
by jamamb
there is defo a general bias in scoring to the house fighter, its much rarer to see generous judging benefit the 'little' or less popular guy
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 15 Feb 2019, 02:33
by Rob3_142
littlepug wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 17:53
Rob3_142 wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 17:22
littlepug wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 16:59
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 16:41
I expect fair judging. I always do.
These "the judges are bought" conspiracy theories aren't my thing.
The judges will favor the fighter who appears to win the round. No more. No less.
Same here, it amazes me that people constantly call foul play over scoring when all it takes is a few swing rounds to be scored for one side to give a wider or closer scorecard than expected
I don't think conspiracy theory per se, but the GGG-Canelo judging (especially in the first fight) and Wilder-Fury outcome was very confusing.
I understand that judge scoring is subjective, but it should be to a certain extent objective. It is of course then very confusing how two judges judging the same fight can have almost polar opposite scorecards.
I understand what you’re saying but if 2 judges go opposite ways in a few swing rounds it can happen, plus look how many argue on here about who won what, if we can see different things then so can the judges
Yeah but that does not account for scorecards with a 10 round swing. What is the point of having judges scorecards if they give you no barometer of the actual fight itself. I appreciate that close fights can go either way, but they're not the fights I'm referring to. We should never have a fight which can be scored 118-110 by one judge, and 110-118 by another.
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 15 Feb 2019, 03:46
by patrickrogan
The judges really will not be needed
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 15 Feb 2019, 03:46
by patrickrogan
The judges really will not be needed
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 15 Feb 2019, 06:15
by Thomastearns
Parties with huge financial investment will always seek to influence the outcome where there's money to be made. That's just human nature, and nothing is immune from this, certainly not boxing.
However this is Madison Square Garden, not Vegas with it's ultra sharp odds players, the spiritual home of the obvious 'cartel', all operating under a different set of sporting values.
MSG should be relatively immune from any such shenanigans, they wouldn't go down so easily with a New York crowd and any resultant furore might draw unwanted scrutiny to boxing underbelly.
In any case, its pretty obvious that the heavyweight division is not the ideal place to try to influence a decision. One punch can quickly render all of your risky 'investment' as worthless as a losing sweepstakes ticket.
I would not disregard the chance of some isolated party (the odd high roller perhaps?) wishing to buy some more assurance in case the fight goes to scorecards, but I don't see it being necessary, because I don't see Miller going beyond 6 rounds.
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 15 Feb 2019, 06:50
by Eolaithe
The judges will be fair.
There is no conspiracy theory or corruption. Mistakes sometimes happen. And sometimes people have different opinions.
Sometimes your favourite fighter loses.
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 16 Feb 2019, 02:06
by 1okstcsb
I have a STRONG feeling the Judges will be irrelevant in this one, Somebody is getting knocked out.
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 16 Feb 2019, 02:09
by Onetimeonly
Thomastearns wrote: ↑15 Feb 2019, 06:15
Parties with huge financial investment will always seek to influence the outcome where there's money to be made. That's just human nature, and nothing is immune from this, certainly not boxing.
However this is Madison Square Garden, not Vegas with it's ultra sharp odds players, the spiritual home of the obvious 'cartel', all operating under a different set of sporting values.
MSG should be relatively immune from any such shenanigans, they wouldn't go down so easily with a New York crowd and any resultant furore might draw unwanted scrutiny to boxing underbelly.
In any case, its pretty obvious that the heavyweight division is not the ideal place to try to influence a decision. One punch can quickly render all of your risky 'investment' as worthless as a losing sweepstakes ticket.
I would not disregard the chance of some isolated party (the odd high roller perhaps?) wishing to buy some more assurance in case the fight goes to scorecards, but I don't see it being necessary, because I don't see Miller going beyond 6 rounds.
Msg has been the site of many rancid decisions.
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 16 Feb 2019, 02:37
by DrDuke
Well, it's more about an organizer, not a place. It's Hearn's event, so it will likely be traditional scores for his events. But, as it has already been mentioned, eventually we won't need these judges.
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 16 Feb 2019, 02:55
by tigermoth87
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 16:41
I expect fair judging. I always do.
These "the judges are bought" conspiracy theories aren't my thing.
The judges will favor the fighter who appears to win the round. No more. No less.
Disagree. For Canelo to get so many bad calls in his favour, there's something afoot.
One judge scored him vs Mayweather a tie. Get to fornicate . As if.
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 16 Feb 2019, 06:38
by Exoddus
Wilder won rounds against Washington where he didn't even throw a punch. AJ won rounds against Povetkin where he was given a boxing lesson.
GGG won both fights against Canelo.. The first fight by a good clear 6 rounds.
So it's either the judges are corrupt or blind.
AJ will have the judges or they wouldn't be traveling to US. They simply wouldn't risk it because they don't need to.
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 16 Feb 2019, 07:40
by greg
..let's see first of all who and where from the judges+referee will be..I hope for a KO in any case..
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 16 Feb 2019, 09:15
by Bard of Boxrec
Sometimes being a judge is easy, just sit back and enjoy this one, you’re not needed.
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 16 Feb 2019, 11:27
by SenorPipino
tigermoth87 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 02:55
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 16:41
I expect fair judging. I always do.
These "the judges are bought" conspiracy theories aren't my thing.
The judges will favor the fighter who appears to win the round. No more. No less.
Disagree. For Canelo to get so many bad calls in his favour, there's something afoot.
One judge scored him vs Mayweather a tie. Get to eff . As if.
Boxing scoring is subjective. You can go over nearly ever bout and find a scorecard you disagree with.
It's just magnified when a high profile fighter is involved.
Canelo has earned every win. If you think something unkosher is afoot, then you probably also believe that 10,000 mysterious shooters were in Dealy Plaza too.
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 16 Feb 2019, 13:34
by ValMar
SenorPipino wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 11:27
tigermoth87 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 02:55
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 16:41
I expect fair judging. I always do.
These "the judges are bought" conspiracy theories aren't my thing.
The judges will favor the fighter who appears to win the round. No more. No less.
Disagree. For Canelo to get so many bad calls in his favour, there's something afoot.
One judge scored him vs Mayweather a tie. Get to eff . As if.
Boxing scoring is subjective. You can go over nearly ever bout and find a scorecard you disagree with.
It's just magnified when a high profile fighter is involved.
Canelo has earned every win. If you think something unkosher is afoot, then you probably also believe that 10,000 mysterious shooters were in Dealy Plaza too.
Is Canelo an excellent fighter ? Yes, absolutely !
Have the judges protected him several times ? Yes, absolutely !
Re: Who will be favoured by the judges, Joshua or MIller ?
Posted: 16 Feb 2019, 13:45
by Onetimeonly
ValMar wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 13:34
SenorPipino wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 11:27
tigermoth87 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2019, 02:55
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Feb 2019, 16:41
I expect fair judging. I always do.
These "the judges are bought" conspiracy theories aren't my thing.
The judges will favor the fighter who appears to win the round. No more. No less.
Disagree. For Canelo to get so many bad calls in his favour, there's something afoot.
One judge scored him vs Mayweather a tie. Get to eff . As if.
Boxing scoring is subjective. You can go over nearly ever bout and find a scorecard you disagree with.
It's just magnified when a high profile fighter is involved.
Canelo has earned every win. If you think something unkosher is afoot, then you probably also believe that 10,000 mysterious shooters were in Dealy Plaza too.
Is Canelo an excellent fighter ? Yes, absolutely !
Have the judges protected him several times ? Yes, absolutely !
The only egregious decision canelo got was ggg 1. The draw card with Floyd was as bad as it gets, I don't think he won a round but the outcome was just. I thought Lara and trout edged him and the GGG rematch was close but none of them were bad decisions. There is obviously home cooking but the bigger problem is the judges aren't watching the same fight and they're not using the best view to watch it. I don't know if you've ever sat ringside but it's a garbage view compared to your TV. If the ref is in your view and a home crowd goes wild what do you do?