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Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 10:01
by Tony1244
"Will is more important than skill." Cus D'Amato
Stiverne gave me the idea for this, so he is first on the list.
Worst Disciplined
Bermaine Stiverne
Leon Spinks
Greg Page
Best Disclined or did the best with what they had
Ali
Frazier
Marciano
Boom Boom Mancini
Duane Bobick- He got a lot out of what he was given.
There are a lot more, but I'm not awake yet.
Please add on.
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 11:27
by Flump
There's a lot on both sides of this question.
Best
I'll go with a couple of Brits first - Carl Froch and Josh Warrington
Holyfield
Henry Armstrong
Worst
Duran (later career)
Buster Douglas
Toney
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 11:44
by oogiebe
Best:
Hagler
Joshua
Monzon
Wlad Klitchko
Worst:
Golota
Stiverne (not just this past fight)
Ruiz JR
Buster Douglas (except for one fight)
HW's are the easiest to list under worst, as they obviously don't have to make weight.
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 11:51
by Tony1244
oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 11:44
Best:
Hagler
Joshua
Monzon
Wlad Klitchko
Worst:
Golota
Stiverne (not just this past fight)
Ruiz JR
Buster Douglas (except for one fight)
HW's are the easiest to list under worst, as they obviously don't have to make weight.
Golota actually trained hard from what I know, but man he fell apart in at least 3 fights.
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 11:54
by oogiebe
Tony1244 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 11:51
oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 11:44
Best:
Hagler
Joshua
Monzon
Wlad Klitchko
Worst:
Golota
Stiverne (not just this past fight)
Ruiz JR
Buster Douglas (except for one fight)
HW's are the easiest to list under worst, as they obviously don't have to make weight.
Golota actually trained hard from what I know, but man he fell apart in at least 3 fights.
True, but discipline is also sticking to the fight plan and being disciplined IN the ring! If no shots to the nutsach, Golota beats Bowe.
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 25 Feb 2019, 12:00
by Tony1244
oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 11:54
Tony1244 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 11:51
oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 11:44
Best:
Hagler
Joshua
Monzon
Wlad Klitchko
Worst:
Golota
Stiverne (not just this past fight)
Ruiz JR
Buster Douglas (except for one fight)
HW's are the easiest to list under worst, as they obviously don't have to make weight.
Golota actually trained hard from what I know, but man he fell apart in at least 3 fights.
True, but discipline is also sticking to the fight plan and being disciplined IN the ring! If no shots to the nutsach, Golota beats Bowe.
Golota trained well, but fell apart in fights. Leon Spinks trained on 12 ounce curls and finger to mouth reps but gave it his all once the bell rang.
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 02 Mar 2019, 04:09
by Nile4000
Tony1244 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2019, 10:01
"Will is more important than skill." Cus D'Amato
Stiverne gave me the idea for this, so he is first on the list.
Worst Disciplined
Bermaine Stiverne
Leon Spinks
Greg Page
Best Disclined or did the best with what they had
Ali
Frazier
Marciano
Boom Boom Mancini
Duane Bobick- He got a lot out of what he was given.
There are a lot more, but I'm not awake yet.
Please add on.
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 02 Mar 2019, 05:57
by Controversial
Hopkins, FMM as examples of the best disciplined.
Hatton was a weird one, terrible in between fights but whipped himself into great condition for a fight. Ultimately all the weight gain between fights took its toll.
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 02 Mar 2019, 10:50
by elmersalsa
Best disciplined:
Eusebio Pedroza
Marvelous
Salvador Sanchez
Fighting Harada
Eder Jofre
Larry Holmes
Willie Pep
Emile Griffith
Sugar Ray Leonard
Gene Fullmer
Worst disciplined:
Wilfred Benitez
Wilfredo Gomez
Edwin "Chapo" Rosario
Hector "Macho" Camacho
Kid Gavilan
Buster Douglas
Mike Tyson
Ruben Olivares
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 02 Mar 2019, 10:53
by elmersalsa
Best disciplined:
Bernard Hopkins
Felix "Tito" Trinidad
Floyd Mayweather, Jr
Worst disciplined:
Carlos Ortiz
Carlos Monzon
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 02 Mar 2019, 11:47
by BitPlayer
Young Griffo is one of the worst.
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 02 Mar 2019, 13:10
by Tony1244
elmersalsa wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 10:50
Best disciplined:
Eusebio Pedroza
Marvelous
Salvador Sanchez
Fighting Harada
Eder Jofre
Larry Holmes
Willie Pep
Emile Griffith
Sugar Ray Leonard
Gene Fullmer
Worst disciplined:
Wilfred Benitez
Wilfredo Gomez
Edwin "Chapo" Rosario
Hector "Macho" Camacho
Kid Gavilan
Buster Douglas
Mike Tyson
Ruben Olivares
Wilfredo Benitez one of the worst disciplined.
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 03:28
by gilgamesh
Lots of your recent Heavyweights don't rank very highly on the discipline chart.
I'd say the Klitschko's were both quite disciplined.
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 05:33
by Onetimeonly
elmersalsa wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 10:50
Best disciplined:
Eusebio Pedroza
Marvelous
Salvador Sanchez
Fighting Harada
Eder Jofre
Larry Holmes
Willie Pep
Emile Griffith
Sugar Ray Leonard
Gene Fullmer
Worst disciplined:
Wilfred Benitez
Wilfredo Gomez
Edwin "Chapo" Rosario
Hector "Macho" Camacho
Kid Gavilan
Buster Douglas
Mike Tyson
Ruben Olivares
Gavilan? Can you elaborate? In my lifetime I'd say hagler, Hopkins and Floyd stand out. Least I gotta go with Bert Cooper.
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 05:34
by Onetimeonly
elmersalsa wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 10:53
Best disciplined:
Bernard Hopkins
Felix "Tito" Trinidad
Floyd Mayweather, Jr
Worst disciplined:
Carlos Ortiz
Carlos Monzon
Ortiz and monzon? Huh?
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 13:41
by gregor
elmersalsa wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 10:50
Worst disciplined:
(...)
Mike Tyson
I am surprised no one disagreed so far. That may be true for the latter part of his career, but difinitely not for the period when he was with Cus/Rooney.
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 15:36
by Onetimeonly
gregor wrote: ↑03 Mar 2019, 13:41
elmersalsa wrote: ↑02 Mar 2019, 10:50
Worst disciplined:
(...)
Mike Tyson
I am surprised no one disagreed so far. That may be true for the latter part of his career, but difinitely not for the period when he was with Cus/Rooney.
So many on his list are shocking. Mike list his shit in there so I can't argue that one. But he was always in shape, including the Douglas fight.
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 15:47
by Steveh583
Carl froch was always disciplined and in great shape
Re: Best and Worst Disciplined Fighters
Posted: 03 Mar 2019, 21:45
by HomicideHenry
I'm assuming this is about the so-called best of the sport being the best or worst disciplined--- rather than encompassing the entire sport. One can make the case the least disciplined of the elite was Harry Greb even though he's among the best ever--- he trained on whiskey and whores, in that order.