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This weekend's unheralded matchup between Ortiz and Hammer. Not getting much attention.

Who wins? How? Why?

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 12:36 This weekend's unheralded matchup between Ortiz and Hammer. Not getting much attention.

Who wins? How? Why?

honestly pal, I love boxing but this fight does nothing for me - the UFC card looks tasty this saturday!

obviously ortiz wins, its not getting much attention because its not interesting. doesnt figure to be entertaining either, probably hammer just trying to survive while ortiz plods around

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 12:36 This weekend's unheralded matchup between Ortiz and Hammer. Not getting much attention.

Who wins? How? Why?

The reason why the bout between Luis Ortiz and Christian Hammer is allegedly “unheralded”, is because it’s perceived by many bookies as being a blatant mismatch.

I can list four betting websites that rate the Cuban’s chances of victory as high as 97.6%, with Hammer rated as having only a 3.3% chance of scoring the upset.

It’s a deeply terrible match-up. However, Ortiz has a tendency to fight according to the calibre of opposition he faces (as per the Dave Allen & Malik Scott bouts), so I expect him to deliver an appalling performance against Hammer, but he'll still win nonetheless.

Actually, as odds go these days, Ortiz isn't considered a dead certain favorite.

The 2 books I use have Ortiz as a 1-16 and 1-20 favorite.

Definitely expected to win, but not a avalanche.

In comparison, Joyce had been as high as a 1-80 favorite over Stiverne. And Lomachenko is currently a 1-100 choice over Crolla.

So oddsmakers either don't consider Hammer entirely terrible or there's some question as to whether Ortiz might be a bit vulnerable.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 12:58 Actually, as odds go these days, Ortiz isn't considered a dead certain favorite.

The 2 books I use have Ortiz as a 1-16 and 1-20 favorite.

Definitely expected to win, but not a avalanche.

The implied probability of 1-20 fractional betting odds equates to Luis Ortiz having a 95.2% chance of victory. That percentage is pretty much in the same realms as the figure I quoted. That's an avalanche.

I figure Ortiz will either knock out Hammer in one sided fashion or win every round. I don't think Hammer is enough of a mover to just survive the whole distance without ever eating a big shot, and getting taken out, but maybe.

kbackup408 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 12:45

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 12:36 This weekend's unheralded matchup between Ortiz and Hammer. Not getting much attention.

Who wins? How? Why?

honestly pal, I love boxing but this fight does nothing for me - the UFC card looks tasty this saturday!

I don't disagree, however any fight I can watch I will, especially the HW's.

Eolaithe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:04

SenorPipino wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 12:58 Actually, as odds go these days, Ortiz isn't considered a dead certain favorite.

The 2 books I use have Ortiz as a 1-16 and 1-20 favorite.

Definitely expected to win, but not a avalanche.

The implied probability of 1-20 fractional betting odds equates to Luis Ortiz having a 95.2% chance of victory. That percentage is pretty much in the same realms as the figure I quoted. That's an avalanche.

To quote One Time Only...

Eolaithe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:04

SenorPipino wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 12:58 Actually, as odds go these days, Ortiz isn't considered a dead certain favorite.

The 2 books I use have Ortiz as a 1-16 and 1-20 favorite.

Definitely expected to win, but not a avalanche.

The implied probability of 1-20 fractional betting odds equates to Luis Ortiz having a 95.2% chance of victory. That percentage is pretty much in the same realms as the figure I quoted. That's an avalanche.

That seems like an avalanche to me also.

so hes not the biggest favourite in the sport but hes still a fukking big one

tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:24

Eolaithe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:04

SenorPipino wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 12:58 Actually, as odds go these days, Ortiz isn't considered a dead certain favorite.

The 2 books I use have Ortiz as a 1-16 and 1-20 favorite.

Definitely expected to win, but not a avalanche.

The implied probability of 1-20 fractional betting odds equates to Luis Ortiz having a 95.2% chance of victory. That percentage is pretty much in the same realms as the figure I quoted. That's an avalanche.

That seems like an avalanche to me also.

I like to stick my finger in EO's eye.

are they gunky

jamamb wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:32 are they gunky

LOL!!! Yuck!

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:31

tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:24

Eolaithe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:04

SenorPipino wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 12:58 Actually, as odds go these days, Ortiz isn't considered a dead certain favorite.

The 2 books I use have Ortiz as a 1-16 and 1-20 favorite.

Definitely expected to win, but not a avalanche.

The implied probability of 1-20 fractional betting odds equates to Luis Ortiz having a 95.2% chance of victory. That percentage is pretty much in the same realms as the figure I quoted. That's an avalanche.

That seems like an avalanche to me also.

I like to stick my finger in EO's eye.

damn some times hrs might deserve it but it doesn't change that he makes some good points.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:35

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:31

tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:24

Eolaithe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:04

SenorPipino wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 12:58 Actually, as odds go these days, Ortiz isn't considered a dead certain favorite.

The 2 books I use have Ortiz as a 1-16 and 1-20 favorite.

Definitely expected to win, but not a avalanche.

The implied probability of 1-20 fractional betting odds equates to Luis Ortiz having a 95.2% chance of victory. That percentage is pretty much in the same realms as the figure I quoted. That's an avalanche.

That seems like an avalanche to me also.

I like to stick my finger in EO's eye.

damn some times hrs might deserve it but it doesn't change that he makes some good points.

Agreed! BTW BoxRec odds are 2-1 in favor of Hammer, unless I'm reading this wrong. I'd bet with them if they gave me those odds!!!

http://boxrec.com/en/what_if?wi%5Bid%5D ... derDir%5D=

lol boxrec being wonky there

hammer layed an egg for pov. no effort to do anything but cover and go the distance. i imagine thats what hell do. even if he trys to fight hard ortiz is just better. hopefully its not as bad as i imagine it might be, hammer surviving while ortiz slowly plods

jamamb wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:44 lol boxrec being wonky there

hammer layed an egg for pov. no effort to do anything but cover and go the distance. i imagine thats what hell do. even if he trys to fight hard ortiz is just better. hopefully its not as bad as i imagine it might be, hammer surviving while ortiz slowly plods

I think if Hammer goes into survival mode, Ortiz will oblige and slow down the pace. So I basically agree. I hope he makes a fight out of it. If so, it goes five rounds, and could even be exciting.

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:49

jamamb wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:44 lol boxrec being wonky there

hammer layed an egg for pov. no effort to do anything but cover and go the distance. i imagine thats what hell do. even if he trys to fight hard ortiz is just better. hopefully its not as bad as i imagine it might be, hammer surviving while ortiz slowly plods

I think if Hammer goes into survival mode, Ortiz will oblige and slow down the pace. So I basically agree. I hope he makes a fight out of it. If so, it goes five rounds, and could even be exciting.

I'd hope he'd make a fight of it. Though the odds are high that he gets KO'd, Hammer likely earns a title shot with a win here so no matter how long a longshot it is, it's worth throwing some hail mary's, and taking the risk if you're him I'd say. He's really got nothing to lose. If he loses everybody already knew he was gonna anyway.

jamamb wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:44 lol boxrec being wonky there

hammer layed an egg for pov. no effort to do anything but cover and go the distance. i imagine thats what hell do. even if he trys to fight hard ortiz is just better. hopefully its not as bad as i imagine it might be, hammer surviving while ortiz slowly plods

Wonky? You think? LMAO! I was thinking I read it wrong.

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:21

Eolaithe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:04

SenorPipino wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 12:58 Actually, as odds go these days, Ortiz isn't considered a dead certain favorite.

The 2 books I use have Ortiz as a 1-16 and 1-20 favorite.

Definitely expected to win, but not a avalanche.

The implied probability of 1-20 fractional betting odds equates to Luis Ortiz having a 95.2% chance of victory. That percentage is pretty much in the same realms as the figure I quoted. That's an avalanche.

To quote One Time Only...

All I know guys, is that there are plenty fighters who are much heavier favorites than Ortiz. Forget about percentages.

Randall upset Chavez at practically the same odds. No one cited percentages as a reason Randall couldn't win.

Even Dubois is a bigger favorite over Cojanu at 25-1. Ortiz-Hammer is practically a toss up compared to quite a few anticipated fights.

jamamb wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:44 lol boxrec being wonky there

hammer layed an egg for pov. no effort to do anything but cover and go the distance. i imagine thats what hell do. even if he trys to fight hard ortiz is just better. hopefully its not as bad as i imagine it might be, hammer surviving while ortiz slowly plods

This is exactly how I see it playing out.

I suspect that it will be a drab 12-rounder. Ortiz really should try find the knockout though.

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:49

jamamb wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:44 lol boxrec being wonky there

hammer layed an egg for pov. no effort to do anything but cover and go the distance. i imagine thats what hell do. even if he trys to fight hard ortiz is just better. hopefully its not as bad as i imagine it might be, hammer surviving while ortiz slowly plods

I think if Hammer goes into survival mode, Ortiz will oblige and slow down the pace. So I basically agree. I hope he makes a fight out of it. If so, it goes five rounds, and could even be exciting.

I'll bet you it isn't. I see a lethargic lop-sided points win in favour of ... I'm going to make you guess, how exciting !.

If you need a clue he's not originally from Romania.

Most on here will think I'm nuts but one fight I would like to see Hammer in, is Christian Hammer v Manuel Charr.
I guess it's because I see them as so evenly matched as to be almost interchangeable, both continental Europeans, both at the outer fringes of world level, both among the best European heavyweights who aren't British.

Ok now you can lob rotten fruit at me I probably deserve it.

candyslim wrote: ↑27 Feb 2019, 10:29

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:49

jamamb wrote: ↑26 Feb 2019, 13:44 lol boxrec being wonky there

hammer layed an egg for pov. no effort to do anything but cover and go the distance. i imagine thats what hell do. even if he trys to fight hard ortiz is just better. hopefully its not as bad as i imagine it might be, hammer surviving while ortiz slowly plods

I think if Hammer goes into survival mode, Ortiz will oblige and slow down the pace. So I basically agree. I hope he makes a fight out of it. If so, it goes five rounds, and could even be exciting.

I'll bet you it isn't. I see a lethargic lop-sided points win in favour of ... I'm going to make you guess, how exciting !.

If you need a clue he's not originally from Romania.

Most on here will think I'm nuts but one fight I would like to see Hammer in, is Christian Hammer v Manuel Charr.
I guess it's because I see them as so evenly matched as to be almost interchangeable, both continental Europeans, both at the outer fringes of world level, both among the best European heavyweights who aren't British.

Ok now you can lob rotten fruit at me I probably deserve it.

Yeah I got a crate of smelly rotten tomatoes here with your name on it.

100% stalemate for me. Not that I can call a winner, as it would probably be a SD for one of them.

Makes me sad just thinking about it.

Harsh ... but fair