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I don’t think Chisora lives up to what he should. Somewhere, in the ring, he just fails to follow through, etc. I honestly think he’s somewhat underrated by some people. He has amazing strength and heart and he generally puts in a brilliant performance when he’s trained correctly — for example, the Whyte v Chisora II fight — and done everything right.

What issue do you guys think he has with underachieving what he could do if he really put his mind to it (IMO)?

FYI: I know he can’t stand with the big guys *too* much, but with the amount of effort he put into the rematch fight with a Dillian Whyte, I think he could still be placed in the Top Ten at least.

Thanks, OH.

Is it so unbelievable that Chisora has accomplished as much as he is capable of?
Chisora can give anyone in the top 10 a good brawl but when someone tries to box him he falls short. Why because he's not a skillful boxer.
He is a good toe to toe brawler and nothing is wrong with that. But hrs accomplished as much or more than he was capable of

He needs to wins more fights.

Underachieving? He's a former British/commonwealth/European champ with a slew of wbo/wba international straps. He's earned millions and fought in front of massive crowds all over the world. He's done a PPV and is well loved by the fans. All without many outstanding attributes outside of resilience. I'd say he's overachieved. Christ, 95% of fighters would give their left nut for that career.

sturm vogel wrote: ↑06 Mar 2019, 18:02 He needs to wins more fights.

Have you ever considered getting in to coaching?

Stuarty wrote: ↑06 Mar 2019, 18:34

sturm vogel wrote: ↑06 Mar 2019, 18:02 He needs to wins more fights.

Have you ever considered getting in to coaching?

Nice!

He’s only lost to those that are better than him on the night, maybe bar Helenius and Whyte 1.. the rematch was going away, I think the 2nd deduction, of points, he knew he was gonna lose it on points, got complacent and got caught.

Steveh583 wrote: ↑06 Mar 2019, 18:31 Underachieving? He's a former British/commonwealth/European champ with a slew of wbo/wba international straps. He's earned millions and fought in front of massive crowds all over the world. He's done a PPV and is well loved by the fans. All without many outstanding attributes outside of resilience. I'd say he's overachieved. Christ, 95% of fighters would give their left nut for that career.

Nice one Steve
And may I add; he isn't a ducker unless the money ain't right. Del takes all comers.
He is also a snappy dresser

Too many wide looping shots, I’d like to see him shorten his punches.

Nothing really. All things considered he's having quite a successful career for a guy of his level. Some guys ain't the Champ, some guys are just decent fighters or contenders...and there ain't nothing wrong with that. Chisora has usually not been Top 10 in his career, but he's had some noteworthy wins, and performances all the same.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Mar 2019, 22:20 Nothing really. All things considered he's having quite a successful career for a guy of his level. Some guys ain't the Champ, some guys are just decent fighters or contenders...and there ain't nothing wrong with that. Chisora has usually not been Top 10 in his career, but he's had some noteworthy wins, and performances all the same.

Dereck has had a great career full stop.

It is all about the money, for a top 20 heavyweight he has maxed it.

With different matching he could be 35-3, but he is 29-9.

He is 6-9 against top 50 heavyweight. He has had 15 good pay days.

He's definitely came in undercooked for a few fights and looked like he's not quite on it - maybe a bit under motivated. All in all though he's probably over achieved if anything. Strikes me as the type of bloke who likes a scrap, likes the money and that was his motivation, maybe above legacy or glory.

Dereck Chisora was a car dealer for much of his time spent being a pro boxer. He had multiple plates to spin.

Del Boy’s long-time former trainer, Don Charles, has mainly worked with British domestic-level fighters.

He hasn’t had the right training program, facilities and diet.

Chisora possessed the mind-set of a journeyman, probably because of a lack of belief in himself, causing a lack of discipline and subsequently drinking/partying, when he should have been fully-dedicated to his ring-craft.

I’m not criticising Chisora for previously taking the sport of boxing less seriously than he should have, because he’s probably just a product of his environment.

It might be far too late for him now, but I feel that Chisora could have achieved far more in the sport of boxing if he had been blessed with the type of support/benefits that were lavished upon Anthony Joshua from day one, because ‘Del Boy’ proved that he was capable of raising his game to operating at world-level without many of AJ’s advantages, such as when he faced the likes of: Dillian Whyte (twice); Carlos Takam; David Haye; Robert Helenius; and Vitali Klitschko.

That being said, Dereck Chisora has enjoyed a very good career and it’s impossible for every fighter to become a world-beater. Most people would think that ‘Del Boy’ hasn’t actually done much “wrong in boxing.”

Not every fighter needs to capture a world title during their careers to earn my respect.

He's doing the same thing Jerry Quarry did. Good but not good enough. History is littered with Chisoras and Quarrys.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 11:21 He's doing the same thing Jerry Quarry did. Good but not good enough. History is littered with Chisoras and Quarrys.

I wouldn't put him in the same league as a Quarry even, but I get your point.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:28

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 11:21 He's doing the same thing Jerry Quarry did. Good but not good enough. History is littered with Chisoras and Quarrys.

I wouldn't put him in the same league as a Quarry even, but I get your point.

I'm not and thanks. Just a reference point.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:29

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:28

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 11:21 He's doing the same thing Jerry Quarry did. Good but not good enough. History is littered with Chisoras and Quarrys.

I wouldn't put him in the same league as a Quarry even, but I get your point.

I'm not and thanks. Just a reference point.

Why is there so much love for Jerry Quarry? I’m not old enough to understand why he’s so appreciated.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:35

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:29

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:28

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 11:21 He's doing the same thing Jerry Quarry did. Good but not good enough. History is littered with Chisoras and Quarrys.

I wouldn't put him in the same league as a Quarry even, but I get your point.

I'm not and thanks. Just a reference point.

Why is there so much love for Jerry Quarry? I’m not old enough to understand why he’s so appreciated.

Watch some of his fights. He was a rugged and durable HW who could hit and box. His sensitive skin was probably his worst enemy. He beat many names and had tough losses to some ATG's. He fought in an incredible era and was a contender for years.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:40

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:35

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:29

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:28

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 11:21 He's doing the same thing Jerry Quarry did. Good but not good enough. History is littered with Chisoras and Quarrys.

I wouldn't put him in the same league as a Quarry even, but I get your point.

I'm not and thanks. Just a reference point.

Why is there so much love for Jerry Quarry? I’m not old enough to understand why he’s so appreciated.

Watch some of his fights. He was a rugged and durable HW who could hit and box. His sensitive skin was probably his worst enemy. He beat many names and had tough losses to some ATG's. He fought in an incredible era and was a contender for years.

OK, I'll look him up.

Quarry was a very talented guy. Much more do than Chisora.

He could box and brawl. Very tough.

The line was always "Quarry would have been champion if there was no Ali or Frazier."

That might not be true. He lost to other fine boxers during his prime. Ellis. Chuvalo.

But if you excluded the 2 legends, a prime Quarry might be no worse than even money against any of the other contenders. (And Quarry was a bit past it when Foreman became heavyweight boss. And he was basically finished by time Norton pummeled him.)

I don't think that Chisora is even up against too many of today's ranked heavies.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:50

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:40

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:35

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:29

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:28

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 11:21 He's doing the same thing Jerry Quarry did. Good but not good enough. History is littered with Chisoras and Quarrys.

I wouldn't put him in the same league as a Quarry even, but I get your point.

I'm not and thanks. Just a reference point.

Why is there so much love for Jerry Quarry? I’m not old enough to understand why he’s so appreciated.

Watch some of his fights. He was a rugged and durable HW who could hit and box. His sensitive skin was probably his worst enemy. He beat many names and had tough losses to some ATG's. He fought in an incredible era and was a contender for years.

OK, I'll look him up.

I’ve just watched a couple of bouts between Jerry Quarry and Muhammad Ali/Georg Chuvalo. And whilst I appreciate he was competing in a golden era of boxing, his work-rate and defence didn’t impress me much.

It’s probably too early for me to judge things, because there’s more to learn, but at the moment, I’m not confident that he’d gain much success if he competed today.

I’m not questioning your opinion, since many other people have sung Jerry Quarry’s praises and there must be a reason why he’s rated so highly by so many. It’s just that I don’t personally understand what those reasons are just yet. I clearly need to view more fights.

I’ve read that his bout against Kenny Norton was pretty good, so I’ll watch that tonight and see if this changes my opinion.

What did he """wrong?""" he faced the best

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 14:25

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:50

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:40

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:35

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:29

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:28

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 11:21 He's doing the same thing Jerry Quarry did. Good but not good enough. History is littered with Chisoras and Quarrys.

I wouldn't put him in the same league as a Quarry even, but I get your point.

I'm not and thanks. Just a reference point.

Why is there so much love for Jerry Quarry? I’m not old enough to understand why he’s so appreciated.

Watch some of his fights. He was a rugged and durable HW who could hit and box. His sensitive skin was probably his worst enemy. He beat many names and had tough losses to some ATG's. He fought in an incredible era and was a contender for years.

OK, I'll look him up.

I’ve just watched a couple of bouts between Jerry Quarry and Muhammad Ali/Georg Chuvalo. And whilst I appreciate he was competing in a golden era of boxing, his work-rate and defence didn’t impress me much.

It’s probably too early for me to judge things, because there’s more to learn, but at the moment, I’m not confident that he’d gain much success if he competed today.

I’m not questioning your opinion, since many other people have sung Jerry Quarry’s praises and there must be a reason why he’s rated so highly by so many. It’s just that I don’t personally understand what those reasons are just yet. I clearly need to view more fights.

I’ve read that his bout against Kenny Norton was pretty good, so I’ll watch that tonight and see if this changes my opinion.

Watch:
vs Shavers
vs Ron Lyle
vs Mac Foster

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 14:37

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 14:25

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:50

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:40

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:35

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:29

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 13:28

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Mar 2019, 11:21 He's doing the same thing Jerry Quarry did. Good but not good enough. History is littered with Chisoras and Quarrys.

I wouldn't put him in the same league as a Quarry even, but I get your point.

I'm not and thanks. Just a reference point.

Why is there so much love for Jerry Quarry? I’m not old enough to understand why he’s so appreciated.

Watch some of his fights. He was a rugged and durable HW who could hit and box. His sensitive skin was probably his worst enemy. He beat many names and had tough losses to some ATG's. He fought in an incredible era and was a contender for years.

OK, I'll look him up.

I’ve just watched a couple of bouts between Jerry Quarry and Muhammad Ali/Georg Chuvalo. And whilst I appreciate he was competing in a golden era of boxing, his work-rate and defence didn’t impress me much.

It’s probably too early for me to judge things, because there’s more to learn, but at the moment, I’m not confident that he’d gain much success if he competed today.

I’m not questioning your opinion, since many other people have sung Jerry Quarry’s praises and there must be a reason why he’s rated so highly by so many. It’s just that I don’t personally understand what those reasons are just yet. I clearly need to view more fights.

I’ve read that his bout against Kenny Norton was pretty good, so I’ll watch that tonight and see if this changes my opinion.

Watch:
vs Shavers
vs Ron Lyle
vs Mac Foster

Cheers.