Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 11 Mar 2019, 23:32
Observation: They had much much much better ref and commentators and judges back then than they do now.
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Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
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Observation: They had much much much better ref and commentators and judges back then than they do now.
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 12 Mar 2019, 11:16
The fight was good. Morrison boxed rationaly. There he proved, that he could be smart and durable.
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 12 Mar 2019, 13:38
I never saw anyone who could take a punch like Foreman.
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 12 Mar 2019, 17:47
how did you guys score the Morrison vrs Foreman fight ?
what was the punch-count
and how many punches were blocked,parried or ducked ?
what was the punch-count
and how many punches were blocked,parried or ducked ?
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 12 Mar 2019, 19:46
If you've seen Vitali you've seen a better chin. Vitali was not only never down but he was never hurt in a fight.
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 12 Mar 2019, 20:24
And, before anyone chimes in, Foreman was down and out against Ali, knocked down and almost counted out against Ron Lyle, and knocked down by boxer JImmy Young. No, not the same chin as Vitali.sturm vogel wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 19:46If you've seen Vitali you've seen a better chin. Vitali was not only never down but he was never hurt in a fight.
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 12 Mar 2019, 22:58
sturm vogel wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 19:46If you've seen Vitali you've seen a better chin. Vitali was not only never down but he was never hurt in a fight.
Good point, SV. Vitali was the best ever. He was so good that he usually didn't even bother to hold his hands up to protect himself. He just held his arms down at his side. What's up with him anyway? Is he still mayor of Kiev? How about Nicolai Valuev, does he still have a children's tv show?
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 13 Mar 2019, 19:38
Valuev was a special interest interest fighter. Sort of like Primo Carnera of this day.
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 01:07
sturm vogel wrote: ↑13 Mar 2019, 19:38 Valuev was a special interest interest fighter. Sort of like Primo Carnera of this day.
True enough, but they robbed his title away from him when they gave it to Haye. The boxing bosses knew that he wouldn't be able to fight anymore and they figured the flamboyant Haye could make them some money so they robbed him, even right there in Russia!
Both Valuev and Carnera had some gigantism. It is good that Valuev has been doing very well post boxing, first in the Russian parliament and then, last i heard, having his own tv show for little kids - so cool, a nice friendly giant with cute little kids!
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 15:42
It's ok, you can say freak show.sturm vogel wrote: ↑13 Mar 2019, 19:38 Valuev was a special interest interest fighter. Sort of like Primo Carnera of this day.
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 11:20
Yes, he was so good that he fought the grand total of one great fighter in his entire career. How did that turn out again?Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 22:58sturm vogel wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 19:46If you've seen Vitali you've seen a better chin. Vitali was not only never down but he was never hurt in a fight.
Good point, SV. Vitali was the best ever. He was so good that he usually didn't even bother to hold his hands up to protect himself. He just held his arms down at his side. What's up with him anyway? Is he still mayor of Kiev? How about Nicolai Valuev, does he still have a children's tv show?
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 11:27
LOL! Don't even bother. They are both in la la land over Vitali and his poor resume.hhaehre wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:20Yes, he was so good that he fought the grand total of one great fighter in his entire career. How did that turn out again?Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 22:58sturm vogel wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 19:46If you've seen Vitali you've seen a better chin. Vitali was not only never down but he was never hurt in a fight.
Good point, SV. Vitali was the best ever. He was so good that he usually didn't even bother to hold his hands up to protect himself. He just held his arms down at his side. What's up with him anyway? Is he still mayor of Kiev? How about Nicolai Valuev, does he still have a children's tv show?
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 11:31
hhaehre wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:20Yes, he was so good that he fought the grand total of one great fighter in his entire career. How did that turn out again?Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 22:58sturm vogel wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 19:46If you've seen Vitali you've seen a better chin. Vitali was not only never down but he was never hurt in a fight.
Good point, SV. Vitali was the best ever. He was so good that he usually didn't even bother to hold his hands up to protect himself. He just held his arms down at his side. What's up with him anyway? Is he still mayor of Kiev? How about Nicolai Valuev, does he still have a children's tv show?
If you're talking about the Lewis fight I know exactly about that fight as I watched it very carefully in stop motion and saw how Lewis first opened up the cut on Vitali's face by raking his glove lacing across it and then spent the rest of the night rubbing his hair and glove into it. An honest ref - but they don't make many of them anymore - would have disqualified him. Vitali had never before been cut in his entire boxing and prior kickboxing career.
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 11:35
Heard this before many many times. Stop your bias already. You're smarter than that.Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:31hhaehre wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:20Yes, he was so good that he fought the grand total of one great fighter in his entire career. How did that turn out again?Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 22:58sturm vogel wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 19:46If you've seen Vitali you've seen a better chin. Vitali was not only never down but he was never hurt in a fight.
Good point, SV. Vitali was the best ever. He was so good that he usually didn't even bother to hold his hands up to protect himself. He just held his arms down at his side. What's up with him anyway? Is he still mayor of Kiev? How about Nicolai Valuev, does he still have a children's tv show?
If you're talking about the Lewis fight I know exactly about that fight as I watched it very carefully in stop motion and saw how Lewis first opened up the cut on Vitali's face by raking his glove lacing across it and then spent the rest of the night rubbing his hair and glove into it. An honest ref - but they don't make many of them anymore - would have disqualified him. Vitali had never before been cut in his entire boxing and prior kickboxing career.
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 11:41
Vitali had a good chin based off not going down while Lewis tore into his face like a pitbull on a bloody bone. That uppercut hurt him. Fighting sluggers like Lyle would be tricky as vitali lacked the fire power to deck guys like that. Too bad he never fought anyone of that caliber.
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 11:41
In terms of Vitali proving his chin? Pretty well, Lewis could bang too.hhaehre wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:20Yes, he was so good that he fought the grand total of one great fighter in his entire career. How did that turn out again?Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 22:58sturm vogel wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 19:46If you've seen Vitali you've seen a better chin. Vitali was not only never down but he was never hurt in a fight.
Good point, SV. Vitali was the best ever. He was so good that he usually didn't even bother to hold his hands up to protect himself. He just held his arms down at his side. What's up with him anyway? Is he still mayor of Kiev? How about Nicolai Valuev, does he still have a children's tv show?
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 11:48
ya i agree, vitali lost because he was an inferior fighter but he showed a real good chin and stood up to quite the pounding
obliviously you dont need to win to show chin
obliviously you dont need to win to show chin
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 12:13
Vitali took a good punch. Much better than Wlad without question, but pretty good by any standard.
I've actually never watched the Tommy Morrison vs George Foreman fight, but I probably will at some point. It's the biggest win Tommy's got to his credit so it's definitely worth a watch.
Interesting to note that Foreman's next fight after this loss would be his World Title victory over Moorer.
I've actually never watched the Tommy Morrison vs George Foreman fight, but I probably will at some point. It's the biggest win Tommy's got to his credit so it's definitely worth a watch.
Interesting to note that Foreman's next fight after this loss would be his World Title victory over Moorer.
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 12:14
oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:35Heard this before many many times. Stop your bias already. You're smarter than that.Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:31hhaehre wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:20Yes, he was so good that he fought the grand total of one great fighter in his entire career. How did that turn out again?Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 22:58sturm vogel wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 19:46If you've seen Vitali you've seen a better chin. Vitali was not only never down but he was never hurt in a fight.
Good point, SV. Vitali was the best ever. He was so good that he usually didn't even bother to hold his hands up to protect himself. He just held his arms down at his side. What's up with him anyway? Is he still mayor of Kiev? How about Nicolai Valuev, does he still have a children's tv show?
If you're talking about the Lewis fight I know exactly about that fight as I watched it very carefully in stop motion and saw how Lewis first opened up the cut on Vitali's face by raking his glove lacing across it and then spent the rest of the night rubbing his hair and glove into it. An honest ref - but they don't make many of them anymore - would have disqualified him. Vitali had never before been cut in his entire boxing and prior kickboxing career.
You heard it before many times because it is true. I even kept notes when I slow mo'd and paused it noting down the exact times that Lewis did the above, but unfortunately I lost the notes., but as far as I know the fight film is still online and someone else can do what I did. Try it yourself. Watch it very carefully with your finger on the pause button and with an objectively impartial eye. Start with Lewis raking his glove across Vitali's face.
As you know Vitali was ahead on all cards but the fight was stopped because of the cut that Lewis deliberately opened up and then worked on all night. Some other fights of Lewis seemed suspicious. Golota and Tyson both looked as if they were drugged. Golota I don't know what the hell was going on with him. The book has yet to be written on him. Tyson looked like he was on cloud nine. Both looked they were doped to the gills though. But in Vitali's case it was blatant right in your face dirty fighting with the referee's collusion. Par for the course in boxing.
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 13:08
Well you are certainly passionate about it. I'll give you that.Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 12:14oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:35Heard this before many many times. Stop your bias already. You're smarter than that.Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:31hhaehre wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:20Yes, he was so good that he fought the grand total of one great fighter in his entire career. How did that turn out again?Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 22:58sturm vogel wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 19:46If you've seen Vitali you've seen a better chin. Vitali was not only never down but he was never hurt in a fight.
Good point, SV. Vitali was the best ever. He was so good that he usually didn't even bother to hold his hands up to protect himself. He just held his arms down at his side. What's up with him anyway? Is he still mayor of Kiev? How about Nicolai Valuev, does he still have a children's tv show?
If you're talking about the Lewis fight I know exactly about that fight as I watched it very carefully in stop motion and saw how Lewis first opened up the cut on Vitali's face by raking his glove lacing across it and then spent the rest of the night rubbing his hair and glove into it. An honest ref - but they don't make many of them anymore - would have disqualified him. Vitali had never before been cut in his entire boxing and prior kickboxing career.
You heard it before many times because it is true. I even kept notes when I slow mo'd and paused it noting down the exact times that Lewis did the above, but unfortunately I lost the notes., but as far as I know the fight film is still online and someone else can do what I did. Try it yourself. Watch it very carefully with your finger on the pause button and with an objectively impartial eye. Start with Lewis raking his glove across Vitali's face.
As you know Vitali was ahead on all cards but the fight was stopped because of the cut that Lewis deliberately opened up and then worked on all night. Some other fights of Lewis seemed suspicious. Golota and Tyson both looked as if they were drugged. Golota I don't know what the hell was going on with him. The book has yet to be written on him. Tyson looked like he was on cloud nine. Both looked they were doped to the gills though. But in Vitali's case it was blatant right in your face dirty fighting with the referee's collusion. Par for the course in boxing.
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 13:32
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz again ? move on.Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:31hhaehre wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:20Yes, he was so good that he fought the grand total of one great fighter in his entire career. How did that turn out again?Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 22:58sturm vogel wrote: ↑12 Mar 2019, 19:46If you've seen Vitali you've seen a better chin. Vitali was not only never down but he was never hurt in a fight.
Good point, SV. Vitali was the best ever. He was so good that he usually didn't even bother to hold his hands up to protect himself. He just held his arms down at his side. What's up with him anyway? Is he still mayor of Kiev? How about Nicolai Valuev, does he still have a children's tv show?
If you're talking about the Lewis fight I know exactly about that fight as I watched it very carefully in stop motion and saw how Lewis first opened up the cut on Vitali's face by raking his glove lacing across it and then spent the rest of the night rubbing his hair and glove into it. An honest ref - but they don't make many of them anymore - would have disqualified him. Vitali had never before been cut in his entire boxing and prior kickboxing career.
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 14:12
The legendary Zeljko Mavrovic fought 12 rounds against a prime Lewis and went the distance without getting knocked down. . (as opposed to only going 6 rounds against past it Lewis) Doesn't that automatically make Mavrovic the heavyweight with the best chin of all time?
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 14:20
A great game plan from Morrison everyone thought he'd stand in front of George and get stopped at some point but he stayed outside and took the points win
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 17:38
I think Mavrovik would have won that fight if he wasn't giving away thirty pounds, like he was in a whole different weight class.Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 14:12 The legendary Zeljko Mavrovic fought 12 rounds against a prime Lewis and went the distance without getting knocked down. . (as opposed to only going 6 rounds against past it Lewis) Doesn't that automatically make Mavrovic the heavyweight with the best chin of all time?
Re: Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman, 1993
Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 17:39
If I were 7 feet tall I'd be playing for the Knicks.Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 17:38I think Mavrovik would have won that fight if he wasn't giving away thirty pounds, like he was in a whole different weight class.Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 14:12 The legendary Zeljko Mavrovic fought 12 rounds against a prime Lewis and went the distance without getting knocked down. . (as opposed to only going 6 rounds against past it Lewis) Doesn't that automatically make Mavrovic the heavyweight with the best chin of all time?