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My choice - Rahman vs. Lewis.
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Serichai Nonpitayakom vs Kiyohei Endo

Benn v Logan

There's gotta at least a few guys in Boxing history that were losing their ass, and then landed a hail mary bomb to pull it out of the fire real late in the fight right?

Julian Jackson vs Herol Graham sorta comes to mind, but that was only the 4th. I remember the commentators were talking like it was Herol's night though, and it was only a matter of time before he was gonna stop Julian.

I don't think that expression should ever be used.

Casually describing it as a "lucky punch" is demeaning to the skilled boxer who set it up, threw it and landed.

Are all the other shots that land in a fight "lucky" too?

Iran Barkley vs Tommy Hearns 1 kinda felt lucky to me. The initial punch that hurt Tommy landed in a real awkward, chopping fashion, and it just got the job done, and Tommy wasn't able to recover. He had been kicking the sh*t out of Barkley in the opening few rounds, and had landed some vicious body shots on him.

Mike Weaver vs Big John Tate left hook near end of Round 15 to win by KO. Tate dominated the fight throughout and then...got tagged.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑18 Mar 2019, 13:50 There's gotta at least a few guys in Boxing history that were losing their ass, and then landed a hail mary bomb to pull it out of the fire real late in the fight right?

Julian Jackson vs Herol Graham sorta comes to mind, but that was only the 4th. I remember the commentators were talking like it was Herol's night though, and it was only a matter of time before he was gonna stop Julian.

Wouldn’t call that shot lucky, Herol threw a left hand twice on the trot, Jackson saw the second one coming and timed his counter bang on

SenorPipino wrote: ↑18 Mar 2019, 13:51 I don't think that expression should ever be used.

Casually describing it as a "lucky punch" is demeaning to the skilled boxer who set it up, threw it and landed.

Are all the other shots that land in a fight "lucky" too?

I know what you mean, but there does certainly seem to be cases where a guy is just kinda standing up for himself the best he knows how, and something just works for him. More often than not when a guy gets a KO it's gonna be due to something he did to make it happen, every now and again your opponent makes a stupid mistake, and kinda sets it up for you.

littlepug wrote: ↑18 Mar 2019, 13:54

gilgamesh wrote: ↑18 Mar 2019, 13:50 There's gotta at least a few guys in Boxing history that were losing their ass, and then landed a hail mary bomb to pull it out of the fire real late in the fight right?

Julian Jackson vs Herol Graham sorta comes to mind, but that was only the 4th. I remember the commentators were talking like it was Herol's night though, and it was only a matter of time before he was gonna stop Julian.

Wouldn’t call that shot lucky, Herol threw a left hand twice on the trot, Jackson saw the second one coming and timed his counter bang on

I agree. I was just thinking of a fight sorta of that nature where a guy had lost every step of the way, but got the guy out in the closing seconds of the bout.

Oogie's example is a classic that I've heard mentioned a lot. I've actually never watched that fight, might oughta one of these days.

the idea that a punch cant be lucky is just stupid. luck effects everything in life, boxing isnt somehow magically unincluded from that

In recent history, how about Alverez Kov 1
I know Alverez said he had been practising that punch in camp, and he threw a few times, missing badly. I call it a lucky punch because he had his head down and was not even looking when he threw it. Does that count as lucky?

SenorPipino wrote: ↑18 Mar 2019, 13:51 I don't think that expression should ever be used.

Casually describing it as a "lucky punch" is demeaning to the skilled boxer who set it up, threw it and landed.

Are all the other shots that land in a fight "lucky" too?

Would suggest you watch the fight i mentioned. It was pretty much his only clean connect, right on the bell. Came against a touted amateur

jamamb wrote: ↑18 Mar 2019, 13:57 the idea that a punch cant be lucky is just stupid. luck effects everything in life, boxing isnt somehow magically unincluded from that

I agree. Luck plays its hand most everything we do. McCall (vs Lewis) was winging his right and landed on a lucky shot. Marquez, on the other hand, could be seen drawing Pac in to land that straight right (not lucky). Daniels/Vasquez might be considered lucky. I remember thinking the "from the knees" left hook that Lewis landed on Bruno in the corner when he was being swarmed was a lucky punch.

Andy Lee vs John Jackson. To me a classic of being beaten fully and while getting swarmed, BANG!

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Mar 2019, 14:06

jamamb wrote: ↑18 Mar 2019, 13:57 the idea that a punch cant be lucky is just stupid. luck effects everything in life, boxing isnt somehow magically unincluded from that

I agree. Luck plays its hand most everything we do. McCall (vs Lewis) was winging his right and landed on a lucky shot. Marquez, on the other hand, could be seen drawing Pac in to land that straight right (not lucky). Daniels/Vasquez might be considered lucky. I remember thinking the "from the knees" left hook that Lewis landed on Bruno in the corner when he was being swarmed was a lucky punch.

littlepug wrote: ↑18 Mar 2019, 13:54

gilgamesh wrote: ↑18 Mar 2019, 13:50 There's gotta at least a few guys in Boxing history that were losing their ass, and then landed a hail mary bomb to pull it out of the fire real late in the fight right?

Julian Jackson vs Herol Graham sorta comes to mind, but that was only the 4th. I remember the commentators were talking like it was Herol's night though, and it was only a matter of time before he was gonna stop Julian.

Wouldn’t call that shot lucky, Herol threw a left hand twice on the trot, Jackson saw the second one coming and timed his counter bang on

Jackson was something else. Talk about one punch artist. How many times did his power turn the fight round.

Audley Harrison V Michael Sprott 2.

Harrison, on his way to yet another defeat contorts his arm in a way I've never seen a human being do it & take out Sprott with a single booming punch right near the end.

I don’t know if Ramos vs Randell counts here. I‘ve not seen the fight, but it’s the only time I heard of Primo Ramos and the result really stands out on the Surgeon‘s record.

Noxy wrote: ↑18 Mar 2019, 14:19 I don’t know if Ramos vs Randell counts here. I‘ve not seen the fight, but it’s the only time I heard of Primo Ramos and the result really stands out on the Surgeon‘s record.

Nope. Ramos simply came forward throwing bombs, & Randall was right there to be hit (exactly the same punch landed a minute or so before, buckling Randall's knees a touch). Nothing "lucky" about that one.

Thanks Datsue, I‘ve finally seen it now.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑18 Mar 2019, 13:57 In recent history, how about Alverez Kov 1
I know Alverez said he had been practising that punch in camp, and he threw a few times, missing badly. I call it a lucky punch because he had his head down and was not even looking when he threw it. Does that count as lucky?

A lot of boxers don’t look when they throw big shots.

Garcia wasn’t looking when he knocked Khan down behind the ear. I dnt think he even looked when he KO’d Rod Salka.

Hearns v Barkley first fight is a classic case. Tommy was almost toying with him as a matador toys with a wounded bull. The fight was on the verge of being stopped when a wild right caught Hearns. The rest was history. Afterwards, no one seemed more surprised than Iran Barkley.

I also remember Eubank Sr repeatedly throwing wild looping shots at the start of each round in a fight he was losing. Ultimately late on, one landed.

I always thought these were just lucky shots, and they were probably because there was little by way of aiming in them. But you can also make a case for the receiver being careless or over confident even. Easy enough I guess when you're apparently winning so easily.

Or they could be examples where one fighter gets desperately tired and can't even avoid obvious wild swings.

In any case they are a timely reminder of just how difficult boxing is. Those that make it look easy are deceptively high skilled individuals.

To me a lucky shot isnt throwing a punch and knocking someone out when behind. Thats boxing.

Luck is something like roy jones hitting calzaghe with his forearm after missing a punch and knocking him down. Thats s lucky punch

No such thing as a lucky punch as all punches are intentionally thrown. Unexpected results are a far cry from a matter of luck. I never thought Fedor would have kayoed Andrei Arlovski as fast as he did but that's just the fight game.