pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 15:47
that is just amazing.
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Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 15:48
on boxrec, but i dont think he is still one of the 10 best p4p in the world
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 15:55
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 15:56
No, he isn't.
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 15:59
He's definitely a top ten welterweight.. gotta give em that much....all time great is still hanging around like it or not..can he beat Spence or Crawford at this stage? Maybe not but still a game dog against anyonetiny_acres wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 15:55Definitely not a top 10 p4p fighter today.
He's barely a top 10 welterweight at this time
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 16:03
He's likely still top 30 or 40.
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 16:05
#12 on my list
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 16:05
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 16:08
i think he is prob still a top 5-6 ww today, but p4p not top 15 for me, not sure if even top 20, would have to check more
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 16:10
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 16:11
Maybe I amOnetimeonly wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 16:05Too high.
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 16:11
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 16:14
I wouldn't have him Top 10 anymore. I have him ranked like #6 or so as a Welterweight at the moment.
He's still a very good fighter, and still competes at a highly respectable level. He's just not the phenom he was at his peak.
He's still a very good fighter, and still competes at a highly respectable level. He's just not the phenom he was at his peak.
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 16:18
not like p4p matters but I'd have bud, Spence, Thurman and Porter over him at welter. Though Keith is arguable. Garcia is too.Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 16:25
I am truly not trying to make Manny look bad.Duran1970 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 15:59He's definitely a top ten welterweight.. gotta give em that much....all time great is still hanging around like it or not..can he beat Spence or Crawford at this stage? Maybe not but still a game dog against anyonetiny_acres wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 15:55Definitely not a top 10 p4p fighter today.
He's barely a top 10 welterweight at this time
He is an all time great.
But he is at the tail end of his career and I would safely bet that
Crawford, Spence, Thurman, Porter and D. Garcia all beat him. I also don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Pac would get upset by a few others. Rating him in the 6-10 spot of the welter division is not an insult.
it's just an opinion that a fighter who at 41 who relies on his reflexes and speed is not going to be the upper echelon of the division anymore
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 16:30
Seems to me your post was pretty fair. I didn't find it as anti Pac. The guy is well past it and shouldn't be in the discussion for current Top 10 P4P.tiny_acres wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 16:25I am truly not trying to make Manny look bad.Duran1970 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 15:59He's definitely a top ten welterweight.. gotta give em that much....all time great is still hanging around like it or not..can he beat Spence or Crawford at this stage? Maybe not but still a game dog against anyonetiny_acres wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 15:55Definitely not a top 10 p4p fighter today.
He's barely a top 10 welterweight at this time
He is an all time great.
But he is at the tail end of his career and I would safely bet that
Crawford, Spence, Thurman, Porter and D. Garcia all beat him. I also don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Pac would get upset by a few others. Rating him in the 6-10 spot of the welter division is not an insult.
it's just an opinion that a fighter who at 41 who relies on his reflexes and speed is not going to be the upper echelon of the division anymore
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 16:36
Thurmond porter and Garcia haven't looked very good lately...those would be pick em fights...i think PAC could win on workrate and punch volume
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 16:40
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 16:42
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 16:43
hmm, i defo think pac shouldnt be written off from beating at least one of those guys, not that id favour him, but i cud see him winning a fight if he fought all of them
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 16:48
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 28 Mar 2019, 13:37
I agree. Danny has looked pretty average for a while now, Thurman is barely ever seen near a ring, and Porter blows hot and cold. Manny also beat Broner far easier than Porter did.
The only welters I'd pick to clearly beat Manny, are Spence and Crawford. Those other three are even money at best (I think Pac beats Danny clear).
I wouldn't be sure about picking Thurman/Porter/Danny over Prograis or Taylor either, should either of those move up.
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 28 Mar 2019, 13:39
Re: pac still top 10 p4p
Posted: 28 Mar 2019, 16:32
It is also quite possible that he can still beat Thurman, Porter and Danny. Still would only be top 15-20 p4p.tiny_acres wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 16:25I am truly not trying to make Manny look bad.Duran1970 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 15:59He's definitely a top ten welterweight.. gotta give em that much....all time great is still hanging around like it or not..can he beat Spence or Crawford at this stage? Maybe not but still a game dog against anyonetiny_acres wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 15:55Definitely not a top 10 p4p fighter today.
He's barely a top 10 welterweight at this time
He is an all time great.
But he is at the tail end of his career and I would safely bet that
Crawford, Spence, Thurman, Porter and D. Garcia all beat him. I also don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Pac would get upset by a few others. Rating him in the 6-10 spot of the welter division is not an insult.
it's just an opinion that a fighter who at 41 who relies on his reflexes and speed is not going to be the upper echelon of the division anymore