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Posted: **04 Apr 2019, 18:25**

With all these HW matchups underway and being made, what the heck is up with Dillian Whyte. His momentum is dangerously close to being erased with his lack of a fight being made and lack of viable opponents remaining available.

I say he should make the fight with Ortiz.

What do you think he should do now? Thoughts?

Posted: **04 Apr 2019, 19:23**

He thinks he is a household name and will only fight for ppv money.
Eddie has this guy thinking he is the 2nd biggest name in boxing. He's in for a rude awakening
when he loses again.
For fukc sake he nearly lot to Chisora. He is a good heavyweight top 5 right now in my opinion.
But he is not a big money fighter anywhere but England and only with the Hearn hype machine

Posted: **04 Apr 2019, 22:04**

My guess is he's the 4th most popular HW on the planet. He's also earned it - personally I was a doubter but hes proven on multiple occasions that not only can he take it but he can dish it out. He's a dangerous opponent for the top 3 in this regard and much improved since the AJ fight.

Posted: **04 Apr 2019, 23:02**

It looks like, he was offered to fight Joshua, but for some reason he refused, probably he was trying to demand a bigger paycheck. He was off Joshua bout and probably spoiled his relationship with Hearn because of his demands. If I remember correctly, there even was a talk about Whyte moving to ESPN or something like that.

Posted: **05 Apr 2019, 04:38**

For some bizarre reason, Dillian Whyte is being avoided by all of his big-name heavyweight peers.

Deontay Wilder has refused several career-high pay-day offers to face him. The WBC won’t allow the Brit to become their mandatory challenger, even though he’s been their highest ranked contender for more than 18 months and engaged in multiple title eliminators.

Eddie Hearn submitted a lowball offer to Whyte for the AJ bout, but this was more of a political thing, to allow Matchroom and Joshua to claim that 'The Body Snatcher' rejected the fight, which is a bit silly considering the purse being offered was less than his payday for the Chisora rematch, coupled with the fact Jarrell Miller is being paid more than the sums offered to Dillian. Also, Whyte is aware that Hearn offered Tyson Fury a purse that was four times the size of the offer he received to face AJ.

A few days ago, Manuel Charr claimed that Dillian Whyte was “irrelevant” and wouldn’t pose any challenge to him. The German based Lebanese Charr has no interest in facing 'The Body Snatcher'.

So that’s all three world champions have essentially shown a distinct lack of interest to face him.

Part of the problem though, relates to the fact Dillian has chosen to remain a network free agent, coupled with him headlining three successful PPV events. He’s expensive and risky.

Whyte’s next fight is supposed to take place on the 13th July, promoted by Matchroom and televised by Sky, potentially against Agit Kabayel or Luis Ortiz. I personally doubt he’ll face ‘King Kong’ though, because the Cuban is a PBC fighter.

I hope I’m wrong, because I feel that Whyte should be capable of outworking and stopping the veteran Ortiz during the championship rounds of their bout.

Posted: **05 Apr 2019, 04:50**

The issue that has limited Ortiz and Whyte from becoming world champions is stamina problems. Whyte has fresher legs being the younger man but Ortiz is more seasoned and seems to know how to work within his limitations. Would be a close one.

Posted: **05 Apr 2019, 04:57**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Apr 2019, 04:38

A few days ago, Manuel Charr claimed that Dillian Whyte was “irrelevant”

The words 'pot' 'kettle' and 'black' spring to mind

Posted: **05 Apr 2019, 05:42**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Apr 2019, 04:38 For some bizarre reason, Dillian Whyte is being avoided by all of his big-name heavyweight peers.

Deontay Wilder has refused several career-high pay-day offers to face him. The WBC won’t allow the Brit to become their mandatory challenger, even though he’s been their highest ranked contender for more than 18 months and engaged in multiple title eliminators.

Deontay made more to fight Fury and although his purse for Breazeale hasnt been released yet it is likely to surpass any offer for Whyte. Also Whyte has competed in zero WBC title elimination fights, in fact he previously walked away from a fight with Ortiz.

Posted: **05 Apr 2019, 05:55**

When wilder called whyte a "cockroach" i think hr was right. Whyte and chisora never had any charisma and look ... they will not be anything in history.

Posted: **05 Apr 2019, 05:55**

marvelous marv wrote: ↑05 Apr 2019, 05:42 Deontay made more to fight Fury and although his purse for Breazeale hasnt been released yet it is likely to surpass any offer for Whyte. Also Whyte has competed in zero WBC title elimination fights, in fact he previously walked away from a fight with Ortiz.

You haven't researched the situation, have you?

Dillian Whyte claims that Luis Ortiz rejected numerous offers to face him, claiming that ‘King Kong’ refused the bout because he wouldn’t be ready by the July 28th fight-date. Even though Ortiz “apparently” rejected the opportunity to face Whyte, Luis was bizarrely able to face Jason Gavern on that date anyway

Dillian Whyte has previously competed in a WBC eliminator against Dereck Chisora, captured and successfully defended the WBC silver title three times and has also been their highest-ranked title challenger for roughly 1½ year.

Eddie Hearn initially presented a $4m offer to Deontay Wilder to defend his WBC world championship against Dillian Whyte, the American’s average payday at that point in time for his previous seven title bouts was merely $1.28m.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ refused Eddie Hearn’s $4m offer to face Dillian Whyte, by demanding $7m instead. However, Wilder then ended up taking the Luis Ortiz bout for a paltry $2.1m.

Shortly after Deontay's bout against Luis Ortiz, Eddie Hearn submitted a second offer to Wilder, which was $8m. This was rejected also.

Here’s a list of Wilders’ purses he received for all of his title fights:

• Gerald Washington = $900K
• Chris Arreola = $1.4m
• Artur Szpilka = $1.5m
• Johann Duhaupas = $1.4m
• Eric Molina = $1.4m
• Bermane Stiverne I = $1m
• Bermane Stiverne II = $1.4m
• Luis Ortiz = $2.1m
• Tyson Fury = ~$10m ($4m guarantee, plus ~$6m PPV in revenue)

Prior to his bout against Tyson Fury, Wilder’s average purse per world championship bout equated to less than $1.39m per contest. It’s actually $1.28m if we excluded from the calculation the anomalously high purse he received for the Luis Ortiz fight.

I flatly refuse to believe that Deontay Wilder’s purse for the Dominic Breazeale bout will exceed the $8m Matchroom offer he received to face Dillian Whyte.

Please perform some research and verify the points I've raised in this post.

Posted: **05 Apr 2019, 06:21**

The issue right now is that due to booked fights, boxing politics and proposed fights, there aren't many top fighters left.

Whyte needs a big name or a high level opponent to make a successful PPV in my opinion. Kabayel doesn't do that. Ortiz would. Other than that, Joyce or Kownacki would be the best bets but I doubt either would happen as there seem to be other plans for these two.

This is part of the reason he can't find a fight. Whereas Joshua could fight a potato on PPV and make millions, Wilder is only just becoming a PPV fighter off the back of the Fury fight and also has the belt, the same goes for Fury minus the belt. This is why these guys can take worse opponents and put it on PPV, Whyte needs a challenger to support the PPV. Tom Schwarz certainly wouldn't do that. It also remains to be seen how successful the buys for the other three fights are..

Posted: **05 Apr 2019, 06:30**

joshj909 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2019, 06:21 The issue right now is that due to booked fights, boxing politics and proposed fights, there aren't many top fighters left.

Whyte needs a big name or a high level opponent to make a successful PPV in my opinion. Kabayel doesn't do that. Ortiz would.

This is part of the reason he can't find a fight. Whereas Joshua could fight a potato on PPV and make millions, Wilder is only just becoming a PPV fighter off the back of the Fury fight and also has the belt, the same goes for Fury minus the belt. This is why these guys can take worse opponents and put it on PPV, Whyte needs a challenger to support the PPV.

I agree with everything you say, but I'd argue that Wilder isn't big enough to be considered a PPV attraction just yet, since his next bout against Breazeale isn't on pay-per-view.

Posted: **05 Apr 2019, 07:31**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Apr 2019, 04:38 For some bizarre reason, Dillian Whyte is being avoided by all of his big-name heavyweight peers.

Deontay Wilder has refused several career-high pay-day offers to face him. The WBC won’t allow the Brit to become their mandatory challenger, even though he’s been their highest ranked contender for more than 18 months and engaged in multiple title eliminators.

Eddie Hearn submitted a lowball offer to Whyte for the AJ bout, but this was more of a political thing, to allow Matchroom and Joshua to claim that 'The Body Snatcher' rejected the fight, which is a bit silly considering the purse being offered was less than his payday for the Chisora rematch, coupled with the fact Jarrell Miller is being paid more than the sums offered to Dillian. Also, Whyte is aware that Hearn offered Tyson Fury a purse that was four times the size of the offer he received to face AJ.

A few days ago, Manuel Charr claimed that Dillian Whyte was “irrelevant” and wouldn’t pose any challenge to him. The German based Lebanese Charr has no interest in facing 'The Body Snatcher'.

So that’s all three world champions have essentially shown a distinct lack of interest to face him.

Part of the problem though, relates to the fact Dillian has chosen to remain a network free agent, coupled with him headlining three successful PPV events. He’s expensive and risky.

Whyte’s next fight is supposed to take place on the 13th July, promoted by Matchroom and televised by Sky, potentially against Agit Kabayel or Luis Ortiz. I personally doubt he’ll face ‘King Kong’ though, because the Cuban is a PBC fighter.

I hope I’m wrong, because I feel that Whyte should be capable of outworking and stopping the veteran Ortiz during the championship rounds of their bout.

That's a good post EO but please do me a favour and don't legitimise Charr by referring to him as the third world champion. Yes I know ... technically blah, blah, blah ... but Joshua is the WBA Champion. They don't get two bites at the cherry.

Posted: **05 Apr 2019, 08:01**

candyslim wrote: ↑05 Apr 2019, 07:31 That's a good post EO but please do me a favour and don't legitimise Charr by referring to him as the third world champion. Yes I know ... technically blah, blah, blah ... but Joshua is the WBA Champion. They don't get two bites at the cherry.

Fair enough, I do agree with you about the status of the WBA regular championship.

I guess the main reason I mentioned Charr’s name, was because he was previously one of the fighters being considered for Whyte’s July 13th fight-date, but it seems that Manuel has rule himself out of contention to face the Brit.

I’m disappointing about Whyte’s situation. Admittedly I’m not a huge fan of his persona, but I feel compelled to respect the quality of his resume. I’ve never seen a contender in recent years become so accomplished, but without being granted a shot at the world title.

Posted: **05 Apr 2019, 08:04**

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Apr 2019, 18:25 With all these HW matchups underway and being made, what the heck is up with Dillian Whyte. His momentum is dangerously close to being erased with his lack of a fight being made and lack of viable opponents remaining available.

I say he should make the fight with Ortiz.

What do you think he should do now? Thoughts?

I don't suppose he'd want a Parker rematch and Usyk is tied up with Takam. Yes Ortiz or Povetkin would be good PPV I would have thought, and a good pay day for either of those guys so they should be interested.

No luxury soft touches for Dillian these days. To preserve his PPV it has to be quality opposition and he has to keep winning. I just had a moan at EO for calling Charr the third World Champion but effectively Dillian is the champion without a belt ... The SFA* Heavyweight Champion.

(Sorry Tyson. No offence)

*SFA - British Slang : Sweet F*ck-all i.e. Nothing.

Posted: **05 Apr 2019, 08:11**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Apr 2019, 05:55 You haven't researched the situation, have you?

Dillian Whyte claims that Luis Ortiz rejected numerous offers to face him, claiming that ‘King Kong’ refused the bout because he wouldn’t be ready by the July 28th fight-date. Even though Ortiz “apparently” rejected the opportunity to face Whyte, Luis was bizarrely able to face Jason Gavern on that date anyway

Dillian Whyte has previously competed in a WBC eliminator against Dereck Chisora, captured and successfully defended the WBC silver title three times and has also been their highest-ranked title challenger for roughly 1½ year.

Eddie Hearn initially presented a $4m offer to Deontay Wilder to defend his WBC world championship against Dillian Whyte, the American’s average payday at that point in time for his previous seven title bouts was merely $1.28m.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ refused Eddie Hearn’s $4m offer to face Dillian Whyte, by demanding $7m instead. However, Wilder then ended up taking the Luis Ortiz bout for a paltry $2.1m.

Shortly after Deontay's bout against Luis Ortiz, Eddie Hearn submitted a second offer to Wilder, which was $8m. This was rejected also.

Here’s a list of Wilders’ purses he received for all of his title fights:

• Gerald Washington = $900K
• Chris Arreola = $1.4m
• Artur Szpilka = $1.5m
• Johann Duhaupas = $1.4m
• Eric Molina = $1.4m
• Bermane Stiverne I = $1m
• Bermane Stiverne II = $1.4m
• Luis Ortiz = $2.1m
• Tyson Fury = ~$10m ($4m guarantee, plus ~$6m PPV in revenue)

Prior to his bout against Tyson Fury, Wilder’s average purse per world championship bout equated to less than $1.39m per contest. It’s actually $1.28m if we excluded from the calculation the anomalously high purse he received for the Luis Ortiz fight.

I flatly refuse to believe that Deontay Wilder’s purse for the Dominic Breazeale bout will exceed the $8m Matchroom offer he received to face Dillian Whyte.

Please perform some research and verify the points I've raised in this post.

Another fine post EO except I don't find any inconsistency in Ortiz being ready to fight Gavern on the same day as that on which he wasn't ready to face Whyte. I would imagine Ortiz would feel confident in taking on Gavern with one day's notice whereas Dillian is a rather more taxing proposition.

Posted: **05 Apr 2019, 08:23**

It is quite breathtaking that in an age where you can find a boxing world title in a cereal box, with world titles coming out of our ears, so plentiful in fact that the WBA have TWO of them, yet the contender with the best resume, in fact a better resume than the so-called champions, barring Joshua, cannot get a world title shot.

It's nothing new, but boxing politics stinks to high heaven.

I get the feeling that were Whyte to be defeated, there would be quite a few relieved people in boxing circles.

I would say that he just needs to keep winning, but we all know it's not that simple.

Posted: **05 Apr 2019, 08:30**

Absolutely spot on SE I could not have put it better myself.

Posted: **05 Apr 2019, 09:24**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Apr 2019, 06:30 I agree with everything you say, but I'd argue that Wilder isn't big enough to be considered a PPV attraction just yet, since his next bout against Breazeale isn't on pay-per-view.

I stand corrected, I thought it was on PPV.

Separately:

He talks like a duck and acts like a duck...

Posted: **05 Apr 2019, 13:23**

I would like to see him against :

1. Ortiz
2. Povetkin
3. Pulev
4. H. Fury
5. Rivas

I don't think he will face T. Fury, Joshua or Wilder in the near future.

Posted: **07 Apr 2019, 06:09**

They would all be good fights but Dillian has already done way more than most title challengers did to earn their shot including Wilder and Joshua yet here we are discussing more very interesting, very risky fights for him.

Do you think once he has cleaned out the division (except for the big 3) the WBC might allow him his chance against Wilder?

Posted: **07 Apr 2019, 09:43**

getnada wrote: ↑07 Apr 2019, 09:40 To be fair, Chisora is pretty much compareble with Evander Holyfield, who only lost against the top guys.

Posted: **07 Apr 2019, 10:34**

Getnada in the action, again !

Posted: **07 Apr 2019, 11:07**

ValMar wrote: ↑07 Apr 2019, 10:34 Getnada in the action, again !

I can read the post and immediately know who posted it.

Posted: **07 Apr 2019, 11:14**

ValMar wrote: ↑07 Apr 2019, 10:34 Getnada in the action, again !

It's the weekend. His parents let him have a few hours of internet and let him out of the basement for sunshine and exercise

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