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Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 13:52
by Ruthless-RKO
Former world champion Carl Frampton's legal battle with ex-manager Barry McGuigan centres on alleged earnings in excess of £4million, the High Court has heard.

The estimated scale of gross income at the heart of the dispute between the boxing stars was disclosed as their courtroom showdown was put back to the autumn.

A judge agreed to adjourn a two-week hearing scheduled for next month to ensure both sides can fully prepare.

Mr Justice Colton acknowledged the delay represents a blow to 32-year-old Mr Frampton's attempts to move on with his career.

But he stressed: "I'm anxious to ensure when this trial does come to fruition there is a fair trial."

Mr Frampton is suing Barry McGuigan, his wife Sandra McGuigan and Cyclone Promotions (UK) Ltd.

The Belfast fighter claims purse money and other earnings due to him from his bouts were withheld.

His writs form the basis of a counter-suit to separate proceedings brought against him in London by the McGuigan family-run Cyclone Promotions.

Nicknamed 'The Jackal', the former two-weight world champion split with Cyclone in 2017.

He is facing an action from his former promoters for alleged breach of contract.

Mr Frampton is counter-suing on a number of grounds, including an alleged appropriation of fight earnings and a breach of the terms of an International Promotional Agreement (IPA).

His lawsuit refers to contracts for fights in Northern Ireland, England and the United States.

It involves claims against the now dissolved Cyclone Promotions UK Ltd - of which Mr and Mrs McGuigan were directors - over purse fees, broadcasting rights, ticket sales and merchandising from Mr Frampton's second world title bout against Leo Santa Cruz in Las Vegas in January 2017.

Lawyers for the McGuigans have insisted all of the allegations are categorically denied.

They have accused the boxer of lying about profit arrangements as part of a bid to blacken their client's names in public.

In court today counsel for Mr Frampton revealed details from an accountant's report into alleged earnings central to the case.

Gavin Millar QC said the gross income from eight of his client's fights at issue was estimated to be just over £4.05m.

The disclosure came as the barrister resisted attempts to have the trial adjourned.

He argued that Mr Frampton has put his career on hold to have the legal action dealt with.

"He's a wasted asset... at his weight and age there's only so much longer he can fight on," Mr Millar contended.

Ruling on the adjournment application, Mr Justice Colton accepted any delay could have consequences for the boxer.

"He's entitled to anticipate his case would go ahead in May, and he has made adjustments to his professional career," the judge said.

"Any adjournment is a blow to him, I accept that and take that into account.

"But I'm persuaded it's just not going to be possible to have a trial starting in May that would be fair to the parties."

A new hearing date no earlier than September is expected to be confirmed within weeks.

Belfast Telegraph Digital

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 14:07
by jameswilson
I remember people saying what a special close bond these two had that it didn’t matter that McGuigan was both Framptons’ promoter AND manager.

Worried for Frampton as that article says Cyclone promotions UK, who he is taking action against is now dissolved. Am I reading that right? As it sounds like McGuigans learning from someone else about how to lose one of these cases and still come out with nothing to pay.

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 14:13
by bripez
jameswilson wrote: 15 Apr 2019, 14:07 I remember people saying what a special close bond these two had that it didn’t matter that McGuigan was both Framptons’ promoter AND manager.
A bit like the special bond between Mcguigan and Barney Eastwood.

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 14:51
by liamlion
jameswilson wrote: 15 Apr 2019, 14:07 I remember people saying what a special close bond these two had that it didn’t matter that McGuigan was both Framptons’ promoter AND manager.

Worried for Frampton as that article says Cyclone promotions UK, who he is taking action against is now dissolved. Am I reading that right? As it sounds like McGuigans learning from someone else about how to lose one of these cases and still come out with nothing to pay.
Exactly what I thought. This could end up being an expensive hollow victory for Frampton if the court finds in his favour.

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 14:54
by jamamb
that doesnt seem right that u can just avoid expenses by dissolving like that

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 15:01
by Ruthless-RKO
So Josh Taylor no longer with Cyclone?

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 15:28
by Coco
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 15 Apr 2019, 15:01 So Josh Taylor no longer with Cyclone?
Possibly why his next fight doesn't seem to be happening?
Remember Framptons opponent slipping in the shower!

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 16:19
by 3132DW
Coco wrote: 15 Apr 2019, 15:28 Possibly why his next fight doesn't seem to be happening?
Remember Framptons opponent slipping in the shower!
Taylor is in the WBSS - McGuigan hasn’t any financial input in that.

That’s with Comosa/Sauerlands Banner.

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 16:20
by 3132DW
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 15 Apr 2019, 15:01 So Josh Taylor no longer with Cyclone?
Still with them although Bakole and Cameron also gone from Cyclone.

He wants to be planning his out especially if he wins the WBSS.

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 15 Apr 2019, 16:24
by Coco
3132DW wrote: 15 Apr 2019, 16:19 Taylor is in the WBSS - McGuigan hasn’t any financial input in that.

That’s with Comosa/Sauerlands Banner.
Yes but McGuigan will be earning money

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 16 Apr 2019, 04:56
by kbackup408
I am not sure what has happened but McGuigan clearly have shafted Frampton the number of £m is still to be clear...

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 16 Apr 2019, 08:03
by bripez
Who is Barry managing / promoting ?

Is his son training anyone?

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 16 Apr 2019, 11:37
by mark a h
How is Carl going to win any of the money that is been disputed if cyclone has been dissolved.

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 16 Apr 2019, 12:41
by Muttley
mark a h wrote: 16 Apr 2019, 11:37 How is Carl going to win any of the money that is been disputed if cyclone has been dissolved.
According to reports Carl is suing Barry McGuigan, his wife Sandra McGuigan and Cyclone Promotions (UK) Ltd.

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 16 Apr 2019, 12:45
by Ruthless-RKO
He didn’t really put his career on hold though. Apart from that boxer who slipped in the shower. He still fought twice that year.

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 16 Apr 2019, 12:54
by JimStone
mark a h wrote: 16 Apr 2019, 11:37 How is Carl going to win any of the money that is been disputed if cyclone has been dissolved.
There are several scenarios where the former directors of failed companies can be held personally liable to creditors.

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 16 Apr 2019, 16:50
by Dirk Kelly
Surprised it’s got this far, I’d have thought the people behind MTK would have had a word. What’s the point of having a guard dog if you have to bite the burglars yourself?

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 16 Apr 2019, 16:53
by Coco
I wouldn't like to owe MTK money!
Maybe they could do it at the normal 50% debt collector rates

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 07 May 2019, 08:34
by Ruthless-RKO
Carl Frampton v Barry McGuigan court case in September

Carl Frampton's courtroom showdown with ex-manager Barry McGuigan will now take place in September, it was confirmed.

A judge set aside just over two weeks to hear the former world champion boxer's lawsuit over allegedly withheld earnings.

The fighter is suing Barry McGuigan, his wife Sandra McGuigan and Cyclone Promotions (UK) Ltd, claiming a failure to pay purse money from his bouts.

His case centres on alleged earnings in excess of £4 million, the High Court in Belfast has been told.

The writs form the basis of a counter-claim to separate proceedings brought against Mr Frampton in London by the McGuigan family-run Cyclone Promotions.

Nicknamed 'The Jackal', the former two-weight world champion from the Tigers Bay area of Belfast split with Cyclone in 2017.

He is facing an action from his former promoters for alleged breach of contract.

Mr Frampton is counter-suing on a number of grounds, including an alleged appropriation of fight earnings and a breach of the terms of an International Promotional Agreement (IPA).

His lawsuit refers to contracts for fights in Northern Ireland, England and the United States.

It involves claims against the now dissolved Cyclone Promotions UK Ltd - of which Mr and Mrs McGuigan were directors - over purse fees, broadcasting rights, ticket sales and merchandising from Mr Frampton's second world title bout against Leo Santa Cruz in Las Vegas in January 2017.

Lawyers for the McGuigans have stressed all of the allegations are categorically denied.

They have accused the boxer of lying about profit arrangements as part of a bid to blacken their clients' names in public.

Although the action was originally due to be heard this month, Mr Justice Colton agreed to an adjournment to ensure both sides are fully prepared.

In court today it was confirmed that the trial will now get underway on September 5.

Belfast Telegraph Digital

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 05 Sep 2019, 07:20
by Ruthless-RKO
New Year date for Frampton vs McGuigan court battle

The legal battle between boxer Carl Frampton and ex-manager Barry McGuigan will now take place next year.

The fighter is suing Barry McGuigan, his wife Sandra McGuigan and Cyclone Promotions (UK) Ltd, claiming a failure to pay purse money from his bouts.

His case centres on alleged earnings in excess of £4m, the High Court in Belfast was told.

A full hearing was supposed to begin on Thursday, but has been postponed until the provisional date of 20 January.

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 05 Sep 2019, 12:43
by Colmohara
:TU: Rangers FC did.....
jamamb wrote: 15 Apr 2019, 14:54 that doesnt seem right that u can just avoid expenses by dissolving like that

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 05 Sep 2019, 13:34
by ThereByTheGrace
Colmohara wrote: 05 Sep 2019, 12:43 :TU: Rangers FC did.....
jamamb wrote: 15 Apr 2019, 14:54 that doesnt seem right that u can just avoid expenses by dissolving like that
:salut:

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 06 Sep 2019, 04:27
by JamieM
As much as I hate promoters etc ripping off fighters I believe the mcguigan family should be given some more time due to their recent personal circumstances. I believe the information will be very strong for frampton though and will be resolved in due course

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 06 Sep 2019, 13:37
by 3132DW
JamieM wrote: 06 Sep 2019, 04:27 As much as I hate promoters etc ripping off fighters I believe the mcguigan family should be given some more time due to their recent personal circumstances. I believe the information will be very strong for frampton though and will be resolved in due course
Playing devils advocate - that might be the case but if Carl signed the contracts with Cyclone and was happy to pay them a certain % then it might not be that easy even allowing for them taking too much.

I’ve said on here before they mocked Quigg for being thick as f*ck....he told Frampton at one of the Press Conf you might be the “A side” but I bet I still end up earning more than you eventually get.

Everyone knew he was getting bumped except Carl Frampton - he was meal ticket and it was so glaringly obvious. You had every McGuigan in the land on the payroll.

Re: Frampton vs. McGuigan Court Case Adjourned

Posted: 06 Sep 2019, 16:54
by sgtcecil
3132DW wrote: 06 Sep 2019, 13:37
JamieM wrote: 06 Sep 2019, 04:27 As much as I hate promoters etc ripping off fighters I believe the mcguigan family should be given some more time due to their recent personal circumstances. I believe the information will be very strong for frampton though and will be resolved in due course
As much as I can’t stand Eddie, I’ve yet to hear any pros diss him when it comes to money nor recall him shafting any fighters in the pocket (I may be wrong).



Playing devils advocate - that might be the case but if Carl signed the contracts with Cyclone and was happy to pay them a certain % then it might not be that easy even allowing for them taking too much.

I’ve said on here before they mocked Quigg for being thick as f*ck....he told Frampton at one of the Press Conf you might be the “A side” but I bet I still end up earning more than you eventually get.

Everyone knew he was getting bumped except Carl Frampton - he was meal ticket and it was so glaringly obvious. You had every McGuigan in the land on the payroll.