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What do you believe the reason for Ortiz declining an offer to fight AJ?

I'll take a, no reason not too. Eddie low balled a guy who fights for him. Its a shame Eddie's ambition and ego led him to believe Americans like boxing. It's going to ruin him on both sides of the pond.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 17:36 I'll take a, no reason not too. Eddie low balled a guy who fights for him. Its a shame Eddie's ambition and ego led him to believe Americans like boxing. It's going to ruin him on both sides of the pond.

Hearn loses a load of credibility (not that he had a lot) by not being able to make the Ortiz fight, and even more in the US alone. The man can't deliver what was obviously the preferred replacement of the fans.

so you assume its all on hearn then?

oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 17:38 Hearn loses a load of credibility (not that he had a lot) by not being able to make the Ortiz fight, and even more in the US alone. The man can't deliver what was obviously the preferred replacement of the fans.

Oh, I dont think he loses anything on that.

jamamb wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 17:39 so you assume its all on hearn then?

Ultimately the promoter has to do everything in his power to make the card as entertaining as possible. Yes, it was unfortunate circumstances with Miller taking the butt shots, but it was clear the fans wanted Ortiz and he couldn't make that happen. His own hubris in even entering the US market was the beginning of his failure. He got stuck in a bad situation and he hasn't been able to foot the bill as of yet. Had he made a really good offer to Ortiz that would be ridiculous to decline, we wouldn't be having this conversation and Hearn would be all over the airways spouting that Ortiz turned down $5 Million.

oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 17:43 Ultimately the promoter has to do everything in his power to make the card as entertaining as possible. Yes, it was unfortunate circumstances with Miller taking the butt shots, but it was clear the fans wanted Ortiz and he couldn't make that happen. His own hubris in even entering the US market was the beginning of his failure. He got stuck in a bad situation and he hasn't been able to foot the bill as of yet. Had he made a really good offer to Ortiz that would be ridiculous to decline, we wouldn't be having this conversation and Hearn would be all over the airways spouting that Ortiz turned down $5 Million.

okay so you went from 'we cant know whats true' to being absolutely sure its all on hearn for not getting the pbc guy. that was quick bruh!

jamamb wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 17:44 okay so you went from 'we cant know whats true' to being absolutely sure its all on hearn. that was quick bruh!

Ultimately its' his job to make a fight. It's his name on the bill. I actually haven't even voted on my own poll yet. If I pay someone to manage my business and something goes wrong, should I accept that person blaming someone else when he's getting paid to manage it? The promoter makes the fight. The fighters fight in it. You're assuming it's something else? Tell us!

im not sure what it is, there are lots of possibilities, like ortiz may be sticking to getting a wilder rematch. lol you just said you had no idea and minutes later you are totally sure!

seems way overboard to say hearn not being able to make a fight with the pbc guy at last minute means its all on him and his respect is gonna dry up. its not that simple and easy to make these fights

and enough of the woe is me stuff with ortiz, ppl have been moaning for him for years now. maybe it has something to do with how his side handles business? hes the same guy who spent many years at the start doing nothing, then decided to ditch golden boy just as he was taking off , then totally stagnated, then got with hearn and left him straight away. now at 40 his career high purse is 500k

jamamb wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 17:49 im not sure what it is, there are lots of possibilities, like ortiz may be sticking to getting a wilder rematch. lol you just said you had no idea and minutes later you are totally sure!

seems way overboard to say hearn not being able to make a fight with the pbc guy at last minute means its all on him and his respect is gonna dry up. its not that simple and easy to make these fights

No Jam. I'm not saying what happened. My statement is that it's ultimately the promoters responsibility to make the fight. That's his job. Is it not? No it's not that simple to do, but that's why Hearn makes the big bucks. I'd be very disappointed if the actually did low-ball Ortiz. I'd be equally disappointed and also perplexed if a decent offer of $3 million or more was turned down by Ortiz's team. But it's Hearns' job to get it done. If this event is so important, then Eddie should have offered the publicly made offer that Miller got and be done with it. If Ortiz declined that, then Eddie did everything he needed to do to get it done.

jamamb wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 17:50 and enough of the woe is me stuff with ortiz, ppl have been moaning for him for years now. maybe it has something to do with how his side handles business? hes the same guy who spent many years at the start doing nothing, then decided to ditch golden boy just as he was taking off , then totally stagnated, then got with hearn and left him straight away. now at 40 his career high purse is 500k

BTW, the thread title is meant to be sarcastic.

so tell us, what exactly did eddie do? do you know?

jamamb wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 17:54 so tell us, what exactly did eddie do? do you know?

All I know is he couldn't get the deal with Ortiz done. I cannot conceive how that is possible. I can't wait to find out. In the interim, I want to know what the forum thinks. How can you not get a deal done with a 40 year old fighter who has maybe one more ride on the merry-go-round? On the outside looking in, it should have been an easy deal to make.

oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 17:57 All I know is he couldn't get the deal with Ortiz done. I cannot conceive how that is possible. I can't wait to find out. In the interim, I want to know what the forum thinks. How can you not get a deal done with a 40 year old fighter who has maybe one more ride on the merry-go-round? On the outside looking in, it should have been an easy deal to make.

maybe ort is loyal to haymon and wants to stick with the in house wilder rematch route? maybe ort cant pass a test with such little notice? maybe ort was made a good offer but was greedy? hearn doesnt control everything

jamamb wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 17:59 maybe ort is loyal to haymon and wants to stick with the in house wilder rematch route? maybe ort cant pass a test with such little notice? maybe ort was made a good offer but was greedy? hearn doesnt control everything

My loyalty would be surely tested if I'm offered 5-10x's what my previous high payday was. We'll see won't we? In the meantime, I'm interested to hear from the others and see how the poll shakes out.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 17:40 Oh, I dont think he loses anything on that.

How come?

jamamb wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 17:50 and enough of the woe is me stuff with ortiz, ppl have been moaning for him for years now. maybe it has something to do with how his side handles business? hes the same guy who spent many years at the start doing nothing, then decided to ditch golden boy just as he was taking off , then totally stagnated, then got with hearn and left him straight away. now at 40 his career high purse is 500k

fornicate that dude. Hearn would be foolish to waste Ortiz here.

oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 18:06How come?

Because only nerds like us pay attention to this stuff. His problem is going to be using his stable to helplessly get American subscriptions while he alienates the UK fanbase that actually loves boxing

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 18:12 Because only nerds like us pay attention to this stuff. His problem is going to be using his stable to helplessly get American subscriptions while he alienates the UK fanbase that actually loves boxing

AH!

Luis Ortiz was willing to face Deontay Wilder for $500K.

The Cuban ducked AJ.

I look forward to someone brave enough to claim that Eddie Hearn submitted a lowball offer to Luis Ortiz.

Bring it on kids - try to persuade me that “King Kong” didn’t duck the Brit.

Luis Ortiz is a coward - he’s certainly no boogeyman!

People like to throw Ortiz’s name around to show they’re serious about fighting top competition, but they have no intention of actually fighting him. It’s all smoke and mirrors. Hearn mentioned his name so the fans will think Ortiz turned down the offer and that’s why we’re stuck with a mediocre opponent, when in fact there never was an offer in the first place. That’s my conspiracy theory anyway.

JohnMcMinn wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 19:14 People like to throw Ortiz’s name around to show they’re serious about fighting top competition, but they have no intention of actually fighting him. It’s all smoke and mirrors. Hearn mentioned his name so the fans will think Ortiz turned down the offer and that’s why we’re stuck with a mediocre opponent, when in fact there never was an offer in the first place. That’s my conspiracy theory anyway.

That conspiracy theory is way too thick for me. I don't buy it. Without knowing for certain, and after a lot of consideration, I believe that either Hearn thought he could save some dough and offered Ortiz a fraction of what Miller was going to receive: OR Ortiz was made a decent offer and for one reason or another (VADA?) felt compelled to decline. Anyone who calls a fighter a coward doesn't know what they are talking about. I know you didn't say that.

oogiebe wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 19:20 That conspiracy theory is way too thick for me. I don't buy it. Without knowing for certain, and after a lot of consideration, I believe that either Hearn thought he could save some dough and offered Ortiz a fraction of what Miller was going to receive: OR Ortiz was made a decent offer and for one reason or another (VADA?) felt compelled to decline. Anyone who calls a fighter a coward doesn't know what they are talking about. I know you didn't say that.

No I didn’t call any fighter a coward. I’m just saying it’s easy to call out another boxer when you know the fight won’t happen. I know AJ says he wants Ortiz but I doubt he really wants a fight with a crafty southpaw on short notice. I think Hearn is just trying keep up appearances. I was being tongue-in-cheek with the conspiracy comment. Hearn probably did make a lowball offer.

JohnMcMinn wrote: ↑23 Apr 2019, 19:37 No I didn’t call any fighter a coward. I’m just saying it’s easy to call out another boxer when you know the fight won’t happen. I know AJ says he wants Ortiz but I doubt he really wants a fight with a crafty southpaw on short notice. I think Hearn is just trying keep up appearances. I was being tongue-in-cheek with the conspiracy comment. Hearn probably did make a lowball offer.

Another hot mess for HW boxing. LOL! We'll probably never know the truth.