Wlad also made his brother great through his own accomplishments. That's unprecedented.candyslim wrote: ↑08 May 2019, 17:26 Yeah definitely Floyd MkII, although a special shout out to Wlad for being so dominant and drearily predictable that he made a massive personal contribution to the euthanasia of boxing in the United States. (or so it appears from my distant vantage point) .
On reflection Floyd can't claim to have been dominant enough to do that.
LMFAO!Onetimeonly wrote: ↑08 May 2019, 18:38 Wlad also made his brother great through his own accomplishments. That's unprecedented.
Quite soOnetimeonly wrote: ↑08 May 2019, 18:38 Wlad also made his brother great through his own accomplishments. That's unprecedented.
Beg to differ amigo!!
Beg to differ mate. Wlad was HW champ from 2000-2003 as well as 2006-2015 and the thread title says since 2000 so you cant ignore his first title reign.Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑08 May 2019, 17:00 Kinda have to pick Wlad.
Although FMJ was unbeaten and won many world titles, he moved up and down divisions. Can say he dominated a few divisions.
But to be on top on one division for 10 years and beating everyone you possibly can in front of you.
There's no proof that Wladimir Klitschko avoided any of the fighters you've mentioned. These are blatant lies. All you've done is randomly selected a load of names of fighters he never faced, but you've made no effort whatsoever to validate the claims you've made.Best Coast wrote: ↑09 May 2019, 03:50 Here's the HWs Wlad never faced although Wlad was HW champ when each of them was still competing at world-level as HWs. Wlad Klitschko studiously avoided all the fighters listed below because he had already been so badly exposed by vastly inferior fighters like Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster:
Lennox Lewis
Ike Ibeabuchi
David Tua
Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Here’s a review of Wladimir Klitschko’s career:Best Coast wrote: ↑09 May 2019, 03:20Both of Wlad's humiliating KO losses to 2nd-tier Corrie Sanders and 3rd-tier Lamon Brewster happened at HW since 2000. Only Wlad's pathetic KO loss to scrub journeyman Ross Puritty happened before 2000 (1998 in Wlad's home turf of Kiev, Ukraine).
If Floyd had lost to mediocre talent like that you would have people saying he doesnt even deserve a spot in the Hall of Fame. Why should Wladdy get a pass? His career-defining victory has to be his decision over Povetkin, who was DESTROYED by Joshua. An argument could be made that AJ has been a more dominant HW champ than Wlad since AJ also KOd Wlad.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 May 2019, 05:26 Here’s a review of Wladimir Klitschko’s career:
• Competed in 29 world title fights, winning 25 of them
• Captured the WBA Super, IBF, WBO, IBO & Ring world titles
• A two-time world heavyweight champion
• Has competed against fourteen unbeaten fighters, with nine of them being world title opposition
• Assuming the Ukraine and Germany are classed as his “home” countries, eighteen of his bouts have taken place on foreign soil, including countries such as: USA, Russia, Switzerland, Hungary, United Kingdom, Austria etc.
• 83% of his victories have come by way of knockout
• He is the second longest-reigning heavyweight champion of all-time
• Has faced sixteen current/former world champion
• He is the 1996 super-heavyweight Olympic gold medallist
• Has overcome adversity multiple times throughout his career and also learned from his defeats to become a vastly improved fighter
• Lost only six of the 140 amateur bouts he competed in
A 26½ year old version of Anthony Joshua defeated a 41-year-old version of Wladimir Klitschko that had been inactive for 1½ years, tasted defeat in his previous outing and hadn’t delivered a truly impressive performance for more than 2½ years.
A 28-year-old version of Anthony Joshua defeated a 39-year-old past-his-prime version of Alexander Povetkin that hadn’t delivered an impressive performance for several years, as well as going life and death with David Price, which was a bout that was previously considered as being a blatant mismatch, since the Russian’s opponent was merely a British domestic level fighter.
Claiming that Anthony Joshua is a greater fighter than ‘Dr Steelhammer’, simply because he beat veteran versions of Wladimir Klitschko and Alexander Povetkin is much akin to claiming that Brian Nielsen deserved to be considered as an all-time-great, due to him having defeated a load of veteran world champions, such as: James (Bonecrusher) Smith, Jeff Lampkin, Tony Tubbs, Carlos De Leon, Larry Holmes, Tim Witherspoon, Orlin Norris and Uriah Grant, as well as being moderately competitive against completely shot versions of Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield.
You must have had a few too many alcoholic beverages when you submitted that utterly bizarre post! FFS! How embarrassed and regretful must you be feeling right now?
Very good postEnlightened-One wrote: ↑09 May 2019, 05:26 Here’s a review of Wladimir Klitschko’s career:
• Competed in 29 world title fights, winning 25 of them
• Captured the WBA Super, IBF, WBO, IBO & Ring world titles
• A two-time world heavyweight champion
• Has competed against fourteen unbeaten fighters, with nine of them being world title opposition
• Assuming the Ukraine and Germany are classed as his “home” countries, eighteen of his bouts have taken place on foreign soil, including countries such as: USA, Russia, Switzerland, Hungary, United Kingdom, Austria etc.
• 83% of his victories have come by way of knockout
• He is the second longest-reigning heavyweight champion of all-time
• Has faced sixteen current/former world champion
• He is the 1996 super-heavyweight Olympic gold medallist
• Has overcome adversity multiple times throughout his career and also learned from his defeats to become a vastly improved fighter
• Lost only six of the 140 amateur bouts he competed in
A 26½ year old version of Anthony Joshua defeated a 41-year-old version of Wladimir Klitschko that had been inactive for 1½ years, tasted defeat in his previous outing and hadn’t delivered a truly impressive performance for more than 2½ years.
A 28-year-old version of Anthony Joshua defeated a 39-year-old past-his-prime version of Alexander Povetkin that hadn’t delivered an impressive performance for several years, as well as going life and death with David Price, which was a bout that was previously considered as being a blatant mismatch, since the Russian’s opponent was merely a British domestic level fighter.
Claiming that Anthony Joshua is a greater fighter than ‘Dr Steelhammer’, simply because he beat veteran versions of Wladimir Klitschko and Alexander Povetkin is much akin to claiming that Brian Nielsen deserved to be considered as an all-time-great, due to him having defeated a load of veteran world champions, such as: James (Bonecrusher) Smith, Jeff Lampkin, Tony Tubbs, Carlos De Leon, Larry Holmes, Tim Witherspoon, Orlin Norris and Uriah Grant, as well as being moderately competitive against completely shot versions of Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield.
You must have had a few too many alcoholic beverages when you submitted that utterly bizarre post! FFS! How embarrassed and regretful must you be feeling right now?
Wlad is certainly a laughable answer, but he would have fought Lewis if Brahman didn't happen.Best Coast wrote: ↑09 May 2019, 03:50 Beg to differ mate. Wlad was HW champ from 2000-2003 as well as 2006-2015 and the thread title says since 2000 so you cant ignore his first title reign.
Here's the HWs Wlad never faced although Wlad was HW champ when each of them was still competing at world-level as HWs. Wlad Klitschko studiously avoided all the fighters listed below because he had already been so badly exposed by vastly inferior fighters like Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster:
Lennox Lewis
Ike Ibeabuchi
David Tua
Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Again the OP said in one division. That's why I selected Wlad. Agree to disagree.Best Coast wrote: ↑09 May 2019, 03:20 Beg to differ amigo!!
Both of Wlad's humiliating KO losses to 2nd-tier Corrie Sanders and 3rd-tier Lamon Brewster happened at HW since 2000. Only Wlad's pathetic KO loss to scrub journeyman Ross Puritty happened before 2000 (1998 in Wlad's home turf of Kiev, Ukraine).
If Floyd had lost to mediocre talent like that you would have people saying he doesnt even deserve a spot in the Hall of Fame. Why should Wladdy get a pass? His career-defining victory has to be his decision over Povetkin, who was DESTROYED by Joshua. An argument could be made that AJ has been a more dominant HW champ than Wlad since AJ also KOd Wlad.
WORLD TITLE WINS AT 147 OVER FUTURE HALL-OF-FAMERS BY FLOYD: Pacquiao, Marquez, Mosley, Hatton
WORLD TITLE WINS AT 154 OVER FUTURE HALL-OF-FAMERS BY FLOYD: De La Hoya, Canelo, Cotto
WORLD TITLE WINS AT HW OVER FUTURE HALL-OF-FAMERS BY WLAD: Povetkin (maybe a future HOFer)
Even though Povetkin is a long-shot for the Hall of Fame, he is the only one of Wlad's mundane list of challengers to have even a remote chance to ever make the HOF!!
He was dominant. Whether over poor opposition or not. I took the OP to be quite specific. Dominant Wlad is not one of my favs or someone I consider top of all time greats.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑09 May 2019, 09:31 So the opposition doesn't matter? Not to mention he is the only guy on there knocked out twice in that time frame.
He was certainly the top heavy of his era. If you're hell bent on single division regardless of opposition wlad falls short of calzaghe.
Fair point.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑09 May 2019, 10:23 He was certainly the top heavy of his era. If you're hell bent on single division regardless of opposition wlad falls short of calzaghe.
Thanks for clarifying that!! I had a hunch you were not really on board with Wlad but saw him as the default answer to ValMar's specific question.