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goose 5 wrote: ↑13 May 2019, 20:43 I don't see how anyone could disagree with your points. Mancini by tko mid rounds is spot on.

cfang wrote: ↑14 May 2019, 02:34 I don't think Jim watt cleaned his clock! I remember watching that fight as a kid and it was a bloody attritional affair.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑13 May 2019, 19:49 Mancini would win about KO8

No offense to O'Grady I absolutely loved watching the guy especially when he became a commentator even for Art Dore's Toughman Contest on FX but his record consisted of Oklahoma scrubs by and large.

His high rating was strictly because of his old man who not only promoted but managed and trained large stables of fighters--- mostly tiersmen & journeymen who he fed to Monte Masters, Wimpy Halstead, Bobby Crabtree, and his son--- and owned an organization (the defunct WAA title).

He was 29-0-0 before losing to Danny Lopez in the 4th round. Then he fought 38 times against complete bums, winning the USBA title over Arturo Leon (22-17-2) in a fifteen round decision. That was 1979. The following year Jim Watt cleans his clock in the 12th. The next year he decisions Hilmer Kenty over 15 to win the WBA title, only to lose it to Andy Ganigan by 2nd round knockout.

Compare that to Mancini... 19 fights and becomes a top contender winning the NABF title and has a helluva war with Alexis Arguello losing in the 14th round... The following year he wins the title and defends it 4 times (plus 2 non-title bouts) including the brutal battle with Deuk-Koo Kim & Bobby Chacon. Then he has two wars with Livingstone Bramble, then loses a split decision to Hector Camacho.

I change my mind... Mancini kayos O'Grady in the 5th... He's too tough and too good for Bubblegum... He's a completely different kind of fighter well outside of O'Grady's level.

cfang wrote: ↑14 May 2019, 13:02 I do recall watt being really lucky. He was struggling and there was a clash of heads and o Grady had a brutal gash. That's how I remember it anyway

cfang wrote: ↑14 May 2019, 02:34 I don't think Jim watt cleaned his clock! I remember watching that fight as a kid and it was a bloody attritional affair.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑14 May 2019, 20:49 It was incredibly controversial, O'Grady was winning. Watt cleaned Howard's clock. I agree that Mancini wins, but O'Grady was a step above a gatti type that couldn't fight at that level. Kenty was very good when Sean beat him up.

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 16:39 Mancini was far above O'Grady (who I loved to watch). Mid to late TKO.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 16:49

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 16:39 Mancini was far above O'Grady (who I loved to watch). Mid to late TKO.

Really? And you think ray would lose to gatti?

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 16:52

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 16:49

Really? And you think ray would lose to gatti?

I would never pick Gatti over Ray, so I don't know what you are referring to. Mancini is one of my favorite fighters of all time.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 17:42

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 16:52
I would never pick Gatti over Ray, so I don't know what you are referring to. Mancini is one of my favorite fighters of all time.

No poo? My bad, I had a discussion with someone I thought was you that Mancini was levels above gatti.

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 17:44

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 17:42

No poo? My bad, I had a discussion with someone I thought was you that Mancini was levels above gatti.

I'd pick Mancini over Gatti, yes. Levels? Nah. That's a UK term. Gatti was a tough SOB. It would be a war while it lasted. I could see picking Gatti too just because of size.

APerno wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 17:50 I don't see where O'Grady is winning at the time of the stoppage.

From Watt's perspective: referee: Raymond Baldeyrou 109-105 | Harry Gibbs 108-104 | Arthur Mercante 104-103 -- it looks to me like the first post that said Watt was kicking his butt is correct one; judge wise only Mercante has it close but for Watt, for two of the judges the fight is already out of reach by decision for O'Grady (save a KD); but I didn't watch the fight.

APerno wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 17:50 I don't see where O'Grady is winning at the time of the stoppage.

From Watt's perspective: referee: Raymond Baldeyrou 109-105 | Harry Gibbs 108-104 | Arthur Mercante 104-103 -- it looks to me like the first post that said Watt was kicking his butt is correct one;