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Posted: **20 May 2019, 11:35**

Wilder v Ortiz was a good scrap and I think most fight fans would admit as much.

I liked the fight as it had some really great give and take and, for me, it elevated my opinions on Wilder a great deal.

Even going so far as to say it was one of the better heavyweight fights in recent memory, does anyone think a second meeting is needed?

There was no scorecard controversy involved. No egregiousness on behalf of the referee. The champ/belt holder didn’t lose warranting a customary rematch.

Ortiz hasn’t won impressively since then. Ortiz has reached a point in his career where a Wilder win could be written off due to his age.

Apart from Ortiz getting a second chance (obviously, I could see how he would want a rematch) does this fight do anything for Wilder or for boxing in general?

Posted: **20 May 2019, 11:39**

Waste of time for all of us. I'd rather see Whyte vs Wilder than Ortiz again. Of course AJ or Fury would be way better.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 11:40**

Contendeh wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 11:35 Wilder v Ortiz was a good scrap and I think most fight fans would admit as much.

I liked the fight as it had some really great give and take and, for me, it elevated my opinions on Wilder a great deal.

Even going so far as to say it was one of the better heavyweight fights in recent memory, does anyone think a second meeting is needed?

There was no scorecard controversy involved. No egregiousness on behalf of the referee. The champ/belt holder didn’t lose warranting a customary rematch.

You may have forgotten about the controversy which was the doctor checking Wilder just after a round had begun. Was it round 7? Giving Wilder more time. There was lot's of debates here too.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 11:42**

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 11:39 Waste of time for all of us. I'd rather see Whyte vs Wilder than Ortiz again. Of course AJ or Fury would be way better.

I'd much rather see Ortiz in with the likes of Povetkin, Whyte, Pulev, Fury, AJ.. Anyone he hasn't fought before.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 11:44**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 11:42 I'd much rather see Ortiz in with the likes of Povetkin, Whyte, Pulev, Fury, AJ.. Anyone he hasn't fought before.

Oh yeah, I like Ortiz vs Povetkin.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 11:51**

What’s the common denominator between the following fighters that Deontay Wilder successfully defeated in world title fights: Bermane Stiverne (twice); Eric Molina; Artur Szpilka; Chris Arreola; Gerald Washington; Dominic Breazeale; and Luis Ortiz (twice - TBC)?

They’re all PBC fighters.

Wilder is facing Ortiz again, because it ensures the WBC title remains with an in-house PBC fighter. It's necessary for that reason alone.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ will continue engaging in world title fights against fellow PBC stablemates for as long as Mauricio Sulaiman and Al Haymon remain on good terms.

The WBC will never force Wilder to face Dillian Whyte (unless the Brit signs with the PBC). And they will never instate Anthony Joshua as the mandatory challenger for Deontay’s title (like they did with Kovalev versus Stevenson).

Posted: **20 May 2019, 12:00**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 11:40 You may have forgotten about the controversy which was the doctor checking Wilder just after a round had begun. Was it round 7? Giving Wilder more time. There was lot's of debates here too.

True. In an ideal situation, the ref catches that between rounds.

Is that a strong enough basis for a rematch, though?

Posted: **20 May 2019, 12:08**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 11:51 What’s the common denominator between the following fighters that Deontay Wilder successfully defeated in world title fights: Bermane Stiverne (twice); Eric Molina; Artur Szpilka; Chris Arreola; Gerald Washington; Dominic Breazeale; and Luis Ortiz (twice - TBC)?

They’re all PBC fighters.

Wilder is facing Ortiz again, because it ensures the WBC title remains with an in-house PBC fighter. It's necessary for that reason alone.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ will continue engaging in world title fights against fellow PBC stablemates for as long as Mauricio Sulaiman and Al Haymon remain on good terms.

The WBC will never force Wilder to face Dillian Whyte (unless the Brit signs with the PBC). And they will never instate Anthony Joshua as the mandatory challenger for Deontay’s title (like they did with Kovalev versus Stevenson).

Absolutely makes the most sense.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 12:12**

Contendeh wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 12:00 True. In an ideal situation, the ref catches that between rounds.

Is that a strong enough basis for a rematch, though?

These kinda fights, no. Wilder was a clear winner. Wilder weathered the storm, Ortiz got a little tired.

Sometimes, if it's a few years down the line, it's okay.

In Wilder's case, every boxer, bar Fury, cannot claim they're owed a rematch. Because they got stopped.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 12:36**

I have very little interest in seeing a 40+ year old guy being gifted a title shot.

Ortiz vs Povetkin or Pulev would be ideal IMO.
A fight against someone like Whyte, Parker or Usyk would be great too..

Luis had his chance against Wilder and wasnt good enough. IMO he should have to smash the WBC #1 challenger in Dillian Whyte before even being considered for a rematch.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 12:39**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 11:42 I'd much rather see Ortiz in with the likes of Povetkin, Whyte, Pulev, Fury, AJ.. Anyone he hasn't fought before.

Ortiz looked more fit for sumo wrestling in the ring. Shed light on why he didn't fight aj. He's well over 300.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 12:43**

Contendeh wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 11:35 Wilder v Ortiz was a good scrap and I think most fight fans would admit as much.

I liked the fight as it had some really great give and take and, for me, it elevated my opinions on Wilder a great deal.

Even going so far as to say it was one of the better heavyweight fights in recent memory, does anyone think a second meeting is needed?

There was no scorecard controversy involved. No egregiousness on behalf of the referee. The champ/belt holder didn’t lose warranting a customary rematch.

Ortiz hasn’t won impressively since then. Ortiz has reached a point in his career where a Wilder win could be written off due to his age.

Apart from Ortiz getting a second chance (obviously, I could see how he would want a rematch) does this fight do anything for Wilder or for boxing in general?

"There was no scorecard controversy involved. No egregiousness on behalf of the referee. "

Bullsh-t. You people must have like 15 second memory spans. See the posts i just made on this subject here:

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=230633&start=275

Posted: **20 May 2019, 12:46**

Pretty sure AJ, Fury and Wilder won’t fight either in 2019.

I have no problem Ortiz fighting Wilder, I think Ortiz is too old and will be PED checked, so unless he gets lucky, Wilder should win again.

I’d like to see Whyte fight Povetkin. Winner gets Wilder and AJ to face Fury next.

Sad to say, but bring back the Klitschko’s for the only reason that they fought the best albeit the division was weak.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 12:47**

The fight was certainly competitive enough to warrant a rematch. I'd rather see Wilder fight 1) Joshua or 2) Rematch Fury.

If I had my choice Ortiz would round out the top 5 or so of Wilder opponents, including Povetkin and kissing man Pulev.

Talking about rounding out, Ortiz looked quite round the other night.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 13:21**

So Whyte better sign with the PBC if he still wants to go the Wilder route. Unless Saturday's events have made him change his mind.

Perhaps he should have took the chance to rematch AJ when he had it. Either way he's now on the outside looking in, unless Fury somehow fancies it. But then there's no belt involved, other than the imaginary lineal one.

Such a dirty business, crooks and shady dealing everywhere but no one ever said it was fair.

Still all is not lost, there is still a path to the summit. Just follow the examples of GGG, Lomachenko and Inoue by stopping everyone you face and keep the judges out of it! Easypeasy.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 13:30**

characters wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 12:49 You really can't compare that to a lucky shot lol.

Lucky shot, or perfectly-timed counter?

Posted: **20 May 2019, 13:32**

JohnMcMinn wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 13:30 Lucky shot, or perfectly-timed counter?

That was no lucky shot. It was perfectly set up.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 13:34**

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 13:32 That was no lucky shot. It was perfectly set up.

Agreed. Some people would have you believe that Wilder just flails around throwing wild punches until he connects. That was a perfectly-timed punch. Wilder doesn't get enough credit for the skills he does possess.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 13:37**

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 12:43 "There was no scorecard controversy involved. No egregiousness on behalf of the referee. "

Bullsh-t. You people must have like 15 second memory spans. See the posts i just made on this subject here:

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=230633&start=275

So a rematch then, in your estimation, is valid?

And, if Wilder chins him in 2, you will feel as though he’s redeemed himself?

I strongly doubt you will.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 13:48**

characters wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 13:35 Obviously a lucky shot, Molina made it to the 9th round against Wilder who actually struggled? Molina made it till the 8th round against Breazeale, who did not get in trouble, so how on earth could Wilder KO Breazeale in the first round without luck?

That's a circular argument. Also, by that logic, how on earth could it take Anthony Joshua 7 rounds to KO Breazeale?

You should watch Wilder's KO punch again. It's not luck. It's perfectly-timed and set up.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 13:53**

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 11:44 Oh yeah, I like Ortiz vs Povetkin.

Hopefully we see it after Ortiz loses to Wilder again as it looks like he's been holding out for that. They might aswell. It could be one of the best 40 year old vs 40 year old fights we're likely to see. Unfortunately it looks like they're setting up Usyk Vs Povetkin instead though.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 13:55**

According to Fury, Wilder is already contracted to fight Ortiz again next. I have no problem at all with that. Its the only guy besides Fury or AJ that Wilder will actually get a real fight against.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 13:56**

joshj909 wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 13:53 Hopefully we see it after Ortiz loses to Wilder again as it looks like he's been holding out for that. They might aswell. It could be one of the best 40 year old vs 40 year old fights we're likely to see. Unfortunately it looks like they're setting up Usyk Vs Povetkin instead though.

Usyk Povetkin was and is my preferable opening HW fight for Usyk.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 14:05**

characters wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 14:03 I even just wrote:
"Even the Breazeale match showed how great Aj actually is, AJ schooled him for half an hour and once Breazeale finally managed to hit him back, AJ finished the game within 20 seconds leaving a bloody mess of the remainings of Breazeale.
You really can't compare that to a lucky shot lol."

A perfect setup like that right hand isn't lucky. That's silly. You're an AJ fan and that's fine. Carry on.

Posted: **20 May 2019, 14:08**

characters wrote: ↑20 May 2019, 14:03 I even just wrote:
"Even the Breazeale match showed how great Aj actually is, AJ schooled him for half an hour and once Breazeale finally managed to hit him back, AJ finished the game within 20 seconds leaving a bloody mess of the remainings of Breazeale.
You really can't compare that to a lucky shot lol."

Yes, I know you wrote that.

I'm sure it was AJ's goal to toy with him for 7 rounds. He was really trying to prove his mettle by dominating an elite opponent like Dominic Breazeale and choosing the round he would knock him out in. Unlike Wilder who just swings wildly praying something will land.

Sorry, I don't buy it.

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