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BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 25 May 2019, 21:51
by dagilechia
Current ranking:

1. 🇬🇧 Anthony Joshua - 22(21) 0 0 - next fight: 01.06.2019 vs 🇲🇽 Andy Ruiz Jr - 32(21) 1(0) 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #14)

2. 🇬🇧 Tyson Fury - 27(19) 0 1 - next fight: 15.06.2019 vs 🇩🇪 Tom Schwarz - 24(16) 0 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #57)

3. 🇺🇸 Deontay Wilder - 41(40) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

4. 🇬🇧 Dillian Whyte - 25(18) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 20.07.2019 vs 🇨🇴 Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 0 0 - (#10)

5. 🇷🇺 Alexander Povetkin - 34(24) 2(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

6. 🇨🇺 Luis Ortiz - 31(26) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. 🇧🇬 Kubrat Pulev - 27(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. 🇳🇿 Joseph Parker - 25(19) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. 🇵🇱 Adam Kownacki - 19(15) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

10. 🇨🇴 Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 0 0 - next fight: 20.07.2019 vs 🇬🇧 Dillian Whyte - 25(18) 1(1) 0 - (#4)

11. 🇭🇷 Filip Hrgović - 8(6) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

12. 🇬🇧 Dereck Chisora - 30(21) 9(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. 🇩🇪 Agit Kabayel - 19(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

14. 🇺🇸 Dominic Breazeale - 20(18) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

15. 🇺🇸 Michael Hunter - 17(12) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

Question A: How are the rankings affected by 🇺🇸 Michael Hunter's (#15) KO 2 win over 🇧🇷 Fabio Maldonado (unranked, BoxRec's #349)?

My vote: Hunter to #12, Maldonado remains unranked.

Question B: How are the rankings affected by 🇭🇷 Filip Hrgović's (#11) KO 1 win over 🇺🇸 Gregory Corbin (unranked, BoxRec's #141)?

My vote: Hrgović stays at #11, Corbin remains unranked.

The voting will last until 01.06.2019. Next voting on 🇬🇧 Anthony Joshua vs 🇲🇽 Andy Ruiz Jr.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 25 May 2019, 22:11
by Contendeh
I agree. Hunter to 12 and Hrgovic at 11.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 25 May 2019, 22:23
by tiny_acres
Neither fought a live body.
I vote no changes

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 25 May 2019, 22:32
by ironbeard
Hunter to 14.
Hrgovic remains 11.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 25 May 2019, 22:35
by oogiebe
No change.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 00:24
by punchoutsb
No change.

Such a depressing list :neutral:

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 02:49
by jamamb
they both beat guys any quarter decent guy should. hunter to his cred did stop a guy who rivas and prospect teslenko couldnt, but that wont move him up for me

hunter no change
hrgovic down to 14

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 03:19
by candyslim
tiny_acres wrote: 25 May 2019, 22:23 Neither fought a live body.
I vote no changes
I couldn't agree more. No changes.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 04:46
by DrDuke
Contendeh wrote: 25 May 2019, 22:11 I agree. Hunter to 12 and Hrgovic at 11.
I agree as well.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 05:15
by joshj909
No change.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 05:21
by Lackeos
No change.

Shame on anyone who would move a fighter up for these pathetic wins.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 05:32
by DrDuke
Lackeos wrote: 26 May 2019, 05:21 No change.

Shame on anyone who would move a fighter up for these pathetic wins.
Why not to move Hunter up? Breazeale has a recent loss and even a more pathetic win before that with some inactivity prior to it. Kabayel has a couple of more pathetic wins, where only Chisora was really good, while Chisora himself now has a more pathetic win with a loss prior to it.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 06:45
by Thomastearns
Ratings only matter if they are acted on. Trouble is the top 10 seems far too static. Can't even blame Fury for that anymore, as it's now a different traffic jam. No longer his doing, though his fight is a sick joke after facing Wilder.

Filip Hrgovic is the new exciting kid on the block and he's heading up as fast as Hearn can match him. Unfortunately beating Joyce won't do much for either of them. Still, he needs fights and if Joyce is willing.. why not?

So the real 50/50 matchup is Whyte v Rivas in about 8 weeks time. AJ gets a pass this time because of the cheating Miller but it really is high time that the top 3 all followed Whyte's example regularly fought top rated rivals.

White easily has the best recent resume - Chisora, Parker and now Rivas.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 09:34
by Lennox
Anyone that thinks the results of these two fighters move them UP for facing 'extremely weak opposition' should hold their head in shame. This is exactly what ABC sanctioning bodies do, move fighters up for no real reason.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 11:00
by ewenhay
No changes.

Guys shouldn't move up fighting opponents ranked in the 100s

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 11:19
by DrDuke
People are talking here, as if Breazeale's and Chisora's last wins were over highly ranked guys. In addition to that Chisora lost a fight before his last one and Breazeale lost the last one, while Hunter is on a winning streak. And btw Hunter most likely will whoop both Chisora and Breazeale. And Kabayel too. Hunter must be ranked higher, than those fellas.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 11:30
by greg
tiny_acres wrote: 25 May 2019, 22:23 Neither fought a live body.
I vote no changes
simple as that..

no change

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 11:48
by Ilya Muromets
dagilechia wrote: 25 May 2019, 21:51 Current ranking:
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Where did u get those rankings from? They are not the current Boxrec international heavyweight rankings. Boxrec has Hrgovic ranked #15 right behind Andy Ruiz. Hunter is #37.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 11:50
by tiny_acres
Ilya Muromets wrote: 26 May 2019, 11:48 Where did u get those rankings from? They are not the current Boxrec international heavyweight rankings. Boxrec has Hrgovic ranked #15 right behind Andy Ruiz. Hunter is #37.
These were voted on by the forum members.
I believe 15 and 37 to be more accurate than where they are listed on here.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 11:53
by Ilya Muromets
tiny_acres wrote: 26 May 2019, 11:50 These were voted on by the forum members.
I believe 15 and 37 to be more accurate than where they are listed on here.


Oh.

I usually agree with the Boxrec rankings. They are certainly not perfect but are far better than the alphabets silly ranking, or popularity voting as well.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 11:56
by tiny_acres
Ilya Muromets wrote: 26 May 2019, 11:53 Oh.

I usually agree with the Boxrec rankings. They are certainly not perfect but are far better than the alphabets silly ranking, or popularity voting as well I think.
:TU:
Yes these turn into what pollsters call terrorist voting. You up vote your favorite and down grade your least favorite.
Unless 100's are voting you don't get a fair result

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 17:24
by Lackeos
DrDuke wrote: 26 May 2019, 05:32 Why not to move Hunter up? Breazeale has a recent loss and even a more pathetic win before that with some inactivity prior to it. Kabayel has a couple of more pathetic wins, where only Chisora was really good, while Chisora himself now has a more pathetic win with a loss prior to it.
We can reasonably debate whether Hunter is better than Breazeale. He might be, but his resume does not support that. Either way, there was already a previous vote where boxrec members had the opportunity to move Breazeale below Hunter if they felt that was where his loss should place him.

Hunter's resume is still much worse than Kabayel's, and a win over Fabio Maldanado doesn't change that. Dereck Chisora would be like a 1:100 favorite over Maldanado.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 17:47
by Rob3_142
Hrgovic remains at 11.

Hunter up to 14.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 17:49
by Rob3_142
Lackeos wrote: 26 May 2019, 05:21 No change.

Shame on anyone who would move a fighter up for these pathetic wins.
Be that as it may, Breazeale's best win is still the unknown Ugonoh. Admittedly a difficult comparison, but Hunter gets a win which is is probably comparable with some of Breazeale's best performances.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking update - Hunter, Hrgović

Posted: 26 May 2019, 17:52
by oogiebe
Rob3_142 wrote: 26 May 2019, 17:49 Be that as it may, Breazeale's best win is still the unknown Ugonoh. Admittedly a difficult comparison, but Hunter gets a win which is is probably comparable with some of Breazeale's best performances.
Neither Breazeale's loss to Wilder (second or third best HW in the world) nor Hunter's win over Maldonado (complete rubbish) indicates that Hunter can beat Breazeale, or should be moved ahead of him.