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Hi,
what an upset! Ruiz won all titles from Joshua, but did he really win all of them?
Ruiz is now as we know the WBA Super/IBF/IBO/WBO Champion, but is he also now the WBO Super Champion?
Joshua won the WBO Super title against Povetkin last year, he was presented with the Super belt at the Ruiz Press Conference.
Fine, Joshua lost his WBO title but did he also lose the WBO Super title?
What's your answer/opinion?

I believe Ruiz has it because in the post fight press conference he specifically talked about having the WBO belt--- which initially confused me because all the belts were on the line.

Multiple belts at the same weight class from the same sanctioning body should be outlawed

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 15:45 I believe Ruiz has it because in the post fight press conference he specifically talked about having the WBO belt--- which initially confused me because all the belts were on the line.

He mentioned the WBO specifically because he felt he was robbed when he lost to Parker, when that belt was on the line.

According to the June 2019 WBO Rankings, Ruiz is the "regular" WBO Champ.
Joshua fell on Rank 4 and is not listed as Super Champ anymore, so I guess the Super title is vacant!?

danundisputed wrote: ↑26 Jun 2019, 08:03 According to the June 2019 WBO Rankings, Ruiz is the "regular" WBO Champ.
Joshua fell on Rank 4 and is not listed as Super Champ anymore, so I guess the Super title is vacant!?

I thought the 'Super' belt for WBO was more like a 'pat on the back' kinda thing.

There was never mention that Fury won the 'Super' belt from Wlad. He was rewarded the belt.

The WBO don’t have two champions, sometimes the WBO champion is awarded ‘super’ status after unifying or a certain number of defences.
The first time I saw a champion awarded ‘super’ status was Joe Calzaghe, I forget which contest.

Andy Ruiz is the unified WBA, IBF, WBO HW champion of the World. Everyone who is going to take that away from him is a m******ucker.

DrDuke wrote: ↑28 Jun 2019, 14:05 Andy Ruiz is the unified WBA, IBF, WBO HW champion of the World. Everyone who is going to take that away from him is a m******ucker.

They can't take it away from him. Oh sure they can strip belts, but when you beat the #1 guy until somebody comes along, and knocks you off the mountaintop you just climbed, there you sit.

The Belts don't mean anything anymore, and whether or not they wanna strip somebody of them doesn't matter. If everybody has a belt, then nobody's belt matters. All that matters is who beats who.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑28 Jun 2019, 14:09 They can't take it away from him. Oh sure they can strip belts, but when you beat the #1 guy until somebody comes along, and knocks you off the mountaintop you just climbed, there you sit.

The Belts don't mean anything anymore, and whether or not they wanna strip somebody of them doesn't matter. If everybody has a belt, then nobody's belt matters. All that matters is who beats who.

On the one hand, I agree, on the other... I don't know. Let's take it, I'm a Fury fan. For me he's the man, who beat the man. But still Joshua beat more of quality opposition despite less confident, yet more conclusive win over Wlad. Those belts didn't come from nowhere. But if Ruiz is gonna be stripped, their quality is under question, as for me...

DrDuke wrote: ↑28 Jun 2019, 14:14 On the one hand, I agree, on the other... I don't know. Let's take it, I'm a Fury fan. For me he's the man, who beat the man. But still Joshua beat more of quality opposition despite less confident, yet more conclusive win over Wlad. Those belts didn't come from nowhere. But if Ruiz is gonna be stripped, their quality is under question, as for me...

An Undisputed or Unified Champion in Boxing ALWAYS winds up getting stripped of one belt or another for some bullsh*t reason. Can't fight a mandatory due to a scheduling conflict, won't fight a mandatory due to a contractual thing with their promoter...whatever...always some reason why they can take the belt away and further gum up the works.

It's high time we all just stop letting them think they can tell us who the man is. We f*cking know. We tell them. Your belt is on THE MAN, or your belt don't f*cking matter. End of.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑28 Jun 2019, 14:18 An Undisputed or Unified Champion in Boxing ALWAYS winds up getting stripped of one belt or another for some bullsh*t reason. Can't fight a mandatory due to a scheduling conflict, won't fight a mandatory due to a contractual thing with their promoter...whatever...always some reason why they can take the belt away and further gum up the works.

It's high time we all just stop letting them think they can tell us who the man is. We f*cking know. We tell them. Your belt is on THE MAN, or your belt don't f*cking matter. End of.

Early 80's HW division was a mess of belt holders, but boxing fans knew that Holmes was the man. The rest didn't matter. They were all considered secondary belt holders at best. They didn't make big purses; they didn't command big crowds.

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Jun 2019, 14:23 Early 80's HW division was a mess of belt holders, but boxing fans knew that Holmes was the man. The rest didn't matter. They were all considered secondary belt holders at best. They didn't make big purses; they didn't command big crowds.

Wilder generally makes about 3 or 4 times less than Anthony Joshua did as well right? On average I mean, I know some purses are bigger than others depending on the match and all that.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑28 Jun 2019, 14:25 Wilder generally makes about 3 or 4 times less than Anthony Joshua did as well right? On average I mean, I know some purses are bigger than others depending on the match and all that.

We also only had two or three ABC orgs. It's got the potential for much worse today if the belts start to splinter. Also, boxing was super popular in the states at the time. Not so much anymore. Wilder would've commanded way more money in that environment. Remember, there was a revolving door of WBA hw champs then. Had there been only two for a period of a few years (WBA/WBC) there certainly would've been a huge call for unified bout. Similar to Wlad and Lewis. And it would've happened because the public had more say back then and would've demanded it. The promoters wanted the big matches, or at least it seemed.