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If Manny Steward were still alive Joshua could be rehabbed and win the title again.
Boring fights but he'd be back in the game.

snake33 wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 18:16 If Manny Steward were still alive Joshua could be rehabbed and win the title again.
Boring fights but he'd be back in the game.

AJ doesn’t possess Wladimir Klitschko’s or Lennox Lewis’s amateur pedigree. Also, both Hall-of-Famers were already established fighters in the pro ranks, having previously competed in 25+ bouts, including several world championship fights.

For sure, Manny Steward would have found a way to improve Anthony Joshua, but the Brit is unlikely to ever possess the skills held by Lewis & Klitschko.

AJ is a late starter. Lennox and Wladimir weren’t.

That is not necessarily true. Manny definitely could rehab him and definitely could make him nearly unbeatable...if he bought into it. Wladimir had just as much to do with what him and Manny did. He swallowed his pride, ignored the pundits, fans and even his opponents during matches trying to get hi to engage more recklessly. Wladimir was phenomenal at staying on point during his run with Manny. That takes a serious amount of mental discipline. It is just not right to grant Anthony Joshua those same abilities.


Another factor is Wilder and Fury. Wlad had only his brother as a true rival once he went along with Manny's game plan. They never had to get it on as you cannot expect kin to fight kin. Joshua would have to beat a man equally as good at using the length game in Fury. He'd have to hope for Fury to be the reckless one to get past him. Fury is a pretty good example. He simply would not have the mental ability to follow Manny like Wlad did. With Wilder there is the unreal power factor. Neither Wlad or Joshua has great god given punch resistance. Even when boxing a perfect game either guy could be stopped with a single mistake. He is no easy pass even for a master class boxer. The mountain would be much bigger to take Joshua to the top and keep him there.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Jun 2019, 18:38 the Brit is unlikely to ever possess the skills held by Klitschko.

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Wlad was effective at what he did, but let’s not pretend he had sublime skills in there. He had a ramrod jab and a big cuddly hug, and the odd right hand would come over when he wasn’t terrified of throwing it. That’s it.

Joshua on the other hand has the full offensive arsenal, he can admittedly work on his defence some more.

Speaking of Manny Steward, apparently he told Fury that he (Fury) and Deontay Wilder would be the future of the division after Klit. He wasn’t wrong.

Steward could improve Joshua, but not that much. Joshua doesn't look that smart, as Lewis and Klitschko had been even before Steward. Furthermore Joshua has a big problem, that can be fixed only by himself - its determination and concentration. He can't fight, when he's damaged and out of his comfort zone. Wlad didn't had that problem, he just had weak chin. Lewis didn't had that problem as well. He proved it against Bruno and Mercer. Joshua's chin seems to be better, than Wlad's, but worse, than Lewis' one, yet the point is in other thing. He was clueless for the half of the fight, after Klitschko had dropped him. He was kinda disconcerted after Ruiz had nailed him. Steward can teach him to box more rational, but what will be, if Joshua has another troublesome situation?

DrDuke wrote: ↑03 Jun 2019, 06:47 Steward could improve Joshua, but not that much. Joshua doesn't look that smart, as Lewis and Klitschko had been even before Steward. Furthermore Joshua has a big problem, that can be fixed only by himself - its determination and concentration. He can't fight, when he's damaged and out of his comfort zone. Wlad didn't had that problem, he just had weak chin. Lewis didn't had that problem as well. He proved it against Bruno and Mercer. Joshua's chin seems to be better, than Wlad's, but worse, than Lewis' one, yet the point is in other thing. He was clueless for the half of the fight, after Klitschko had dropped him. He was kinda disconcerted after Ruiz had nailed him. Steward can teach him to box more rational, but what will be, if Joshua has another troublesome situation?

Bizarre post. Wlad was terrified under pressure. Time and time again he folded when guys put it on him. He wasn’t smart before Manny at all. That’s precisely why he had the famous rehabilitation.

Joshua can’t fight when he’s damaged and out of his comfort zone? What do you call his performance vs Wlad then?

This Wlad revisionism, as if he is leagues above Joshua, is extremely strange

lazboy wrote: ↑03 Jun 2019, 06:41 Speaking of Manny Steward, apparently he told Fury that he (Fury) and Deontay Wilder would be the future of the division after Klit. He wasn’t wrong.

He did I see an interview Manny did saying Fury and Wilder would be the next champs . amazing really

Rob McCracken is just as good a trainer as Manny Steward. I'm amazed he's taken Joshua as far as he has tbh.

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑03 Jun 2019, 08:56 Bizarre post. Wlad was terrified under pressure. Time and time again he folded when guys put it on him. He wasn’t smart before Manny at all. That’s precisely why he had the famous rehabilitation.

Joshua can’t fight when he’s damaged and out of his comfort zone? What do you call his performance vs Wlad then?

This Wlad revisionism, as if he is leagues above Joshua, is extremely strange

Wlad was under pressure the whole Peter fight, he was down for several times, he won eventually. Even in Joshua fight he came back after been knocked down for the first time. While Joshua was able to be back only by the end of the fight. If Wlad went for the kill, it could have been a differtnent outcome. Joshua looked absolutely clueless then for the half of the fight.

DrDuke wrote: ↑03 Jun 2019, 11:08 Wlad was under pressure the whole Peter fight, he was down for several times, he won eventually. Even in Joshua fight he came back after been knocked down for the first time. While Joshua was able to be back only by the end of the fight. If Wlad went for the kill, it could have been a differtnent outcome. Joshua looked absolutely clueless then for the half of the fight.

Guys like Sam Peter and Corey Sanders would absolutely lit Joshua up. I think even Pulev now beats AJ.

Ricky wrote: ↑03 Jun 2019, 11:18 Guys like Sam Peter and Corey Sanders would absolutely lit Joshua up. I think even Pulev now beats AJ.

I doubt about Peter, but Sanders had a good handspeed, while he was deceptive physically, all that exactly makes him similar to Ruiz. And Sanders possessed a harder shot. So he really could whoop Joshua too.