Ruiz fought in April and was 262 pounds. for the Joshua fight he was 268 pounds.
I haven't heard of a world heavyweight title challenger NOT training 3 times a day in preparation and I'd assume that for 5 weeks Ruiz would have been doing the same. Morning run ( about 5 miles), a rest then gym work for an hour, rest, bag work and technical aspects in the afternoon and some sparring and pad work at night. Pretty strenuous routine !
How on earth can someone train like this and come in SIX POUNDS HEAVIER ??????
I believe its possible for the weightlifters and bodybuilders ( usually by using steroids, but not always) to train like beasts and put on weight, but they're putting on muscle. Ruiz certainly wasn't . I realise many weightlifters/powerlifters are big guys, but they're not doing cardiovascular work. So I repeat, how on earth did Ruiz actually get fatter? ( Fury reportedly lost 10 stones for goodness sake).
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 04:40
by Counter-puncher
His training camp lacked a rigorous selection process
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 04:58
by bigjack
A guy his size could put that weight in the last few days before the fight with a few big meals,maybe they didn't want to change what worked for his last fight.
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 05:13
by Verdi
By taking in more kcals than he's burning off.
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 05:18
by leejonesjnr
6lbs is nothing, a man that size will vary by that much through the course of a single day.
Also very unlikely that Ruiz is running at all.
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 05:28
by Ricky
bad genetics
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 06:27
by overhand_right
No freaking way is Andy Ruiz running
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 06:33
by dalcumly
I understand where your coming from. But Ruiz MUST have done a lot of cardio work ( running or something else) or he couldn't last a couple of rounds carrying that weight. He looked to me as if he could've done the 12 rounds.
Does anyone have an idea how much calories Ruiz would burn daily training 3 times ( intensely) for an hour each session. I'm thinking at least 3000. Plus the routine calorie burn simply from being alive !!!
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 06:46
by Boxerbeetle
As the saying goes, you can’t out-train a bad diet. Ruiz no doubt puts in effort in the gym and has the fitness to prove it, but if he goes back and stuffs his face afterwards then he’s still potentially going to gain weight.
It’s perfectly possible to be fat and (relatively) fit for fighting. It’s not long distance running.
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 07:02
by northern
6lbs isn't a lot to put on, it could be what he ate the week before the weigh in, could be excess water weight.
It could even be down to a difference in training for this last fight to his one, did his sparring stop sooner, did his running regime change, was his cardio routine different, all that matters is that on the night he was over the cruiserweight limit so a full heavyweight (By a big margin) and he surprised everyone.
Also, for example, you see a lot of boxers and MMA fighters losing 10lbs+ the night before fights and putting it back on for fight night, it's a good thing that someone hasn't actually been borderline killing themselves to make a weight class limit and pulled off such an upset.
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 07:54
by Wa1nuts
Ive seen a video of him training, doing some foot work / cardio drills hes pretty quick feeted and very agile, had some decent speed on him aswell on the short clip
To train hard he would have been eating a lot of calories, probably similar amount to what hes burning an 6 pounds could be gained in a day of pure water easily enough it basically means nothing at that size
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 08:00
by Ruthless-RKO
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 08:23
by danconnollyeire
It's easy for these big guys weight to fluctuate 10-15 pounds, they're not watch weight/making weigh, doesn't mean their fitness hasn't improved
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 08:28
by Coco
Boxers don't need to worry about being body beautiful, they need to worry about being strong and fit.
Normally if you have trained hard and are strong and fit you will be body beautiful but the latter essentially has no importance.
Of course being overweight is almost always a sign of not training properly.
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 08:39
by dalcumly
I'm sorry, my point is NOT that he gained six pounds, its the fact that training as hard he should have lost a couple of stone. I'd have thought that after 5 weeks of intensive training he should have dropped from 262 to around 230 at least and thats allowing for a slow metabolism.
Forget the comments about weight gain over 24 hours at the lower weights that doesn't come into it. I saw a world featherweight champion go from 9 stones to 10 stones 10 pounds overnight, heavyweights don't do that.
I just find it incredible that a fat guy ( rolls of fat) trains like a beast for 5 weeks and comes in heavier than when he started!!!!
If this gets more publicity Weight Watchers will go into administration. The old belief, and I thinks its still true today,is to lose weight you eat less and exercise more. Its not rocket science.
If Ruiz is 'pigging out' during his training camp, then it makes Joshua's defeat even worse.
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 09:05
by Nightmare Roy
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑06 Jun 2019, 05:18
6lbs is nothing, a man that size will vary by that much through the course of a single day.
Also very unlikely that Ruiz is running at all.
If he’s not running how is he so fit, seems to have a good engine and can go 12 no problem.
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 09:35
by leejonesjnr
Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑06 Jun 2019, 09:05
If he’s not running how is he so fit, seems to have a good engine and can go 12 no problem.
And there’s no other way to get fit than running?
Dear oh dear.
Many many MANY heavies don’t run.
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 09:38
by JimStone
dalcumly wrote: ↑06 Jun 2019, 04:38
Ruiz fought in April and was 262 pounds. for the Joshua fight he was 268 pounds.
I haven't heard of a world heavyweight title challenger NOT training 3 times a day in preparation and I'd assume that for 5 weeks Ruiz would have been doing the same. Morning run ( about 5 miles), a rest then gym work for an hour, rest, bag work and technical aspects in the afternoon and some sparring and pad work at night. Pretty strenuous routine !
How on earth can someone train like this and come in SIX POUNDS HEAVIER ??????
I believe its possible for the weightlifters and bodybuilders ( usually by using steroids, but not always) to train like beasts and put on weight, but they're putting on muscle. Ruiz certainly wasn't . I realise many weightlifters/powerlifters are big guys, but they're not doing cardiovascular work. So I repeat, how on earth did Ruiz actually get fatter? ( Fury reportedly lost 10 stones for goodness sake).
Not sure if you are being serious?
He obviously consumed more calories than he expended. It's not difficult.
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 09:50
by Wa1nuts
As people have said, he ate more calories than he required for the training he was doing
The point about water is an important one. Nobody is saying he drained himself for the previous fight then put a significant amount of water weight on, the point is, if youre that big your weight can change on a daily basis by 6 pounds without even meaning to
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 10:07
by Grilling Machine
Shhhh wrote: ↑06 Jun 2019, 08:02Cool vid that’s like a rocky film the training scenes
I've never criticised McCracken's training because it didn't seem to matter until now, but I've never liked the way he takes prolonged walkabouts on the pads. He has AJ throw two or three shots and then keeps him waiting while he strolls to a new position.
That'd be fine if he were doing it quickly to keep the angles fresh, but I'd worry about falling into his lazy cadence if I were Joshua. Fury's shown a few bad habits on the pads at times, but at least Davison keeps him busy.
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 10:17
by JimStone
McCracken is not the problem. He's an excellent technical trainer but you are always limited by the clay you're working with, particulary if other people e.g. strength and conditioning 'experts' keep meddling with your pot before it's been fired.
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 10:30
by tiny_acres
McCracken is a great trainer. But that does not indicate that he's the right trainer for Joshua.
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 10:47
by danconnollyeire
dalcumly wrote: ↑06 Jun 2019, 08:39
I'm sorry, my point is NOT that he gained six pounds, its the fact that training as hard he should have lost a couple of stone. I'd have thought that after 5 weeks of intensive training he should have dropped from 262 to around 230 at least and thats allowing for a slow metabolism.
Forget the comments about weight gain over 24 hours at the lower weights that doesn't come into it. I saw a world featherweight champion go from 9 stones to 10 stones 10 pounds overnight, heavyweights don't do that.
I just find it incredible that a fat guy ( rolls of fat) trains like a beast for 5 weeks and comes in heavier than when he started!!!!
If this gets more publicity Weight Watchers will go into administration. The old belief, and I thinks its still true today,is to lose weight you eat less and exercise more. Its not rocket science.
If Ruiz is 'pigging out' during his training camp, then it makes Joshua's defeat even worse.
The bold is absolutely false. For one, losing nearly 30lbs in 5 weeks would leave you exhausted, drained, weak and overtrained. Also, if you trained hard and lost body fat and gained muscle you'd weigh more as muscle is 3x heavier than fat. Ruiz openly said he'd trained for size so he could be stronger in the ring
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 11:11
by Coco
Ruiz has gained more fat than muscle.
Unless he has very special genetics, his fat levels demonstrate he doesn't train hard.
Yes he can fight but he could fight better if he trained hard.
He looks like a heart attack waiting to happen!
Re: Andy Ruiz - please explain
Posted: 06 Jun 2019, 11:33
by chinarich
dalcumly wrote: ↑06 Jun 2019, 04:38
Ruiz fought in April and was 262 pounds. for the Joshua fight he was 268 pounds.
I haven't heard of a world heavyweight title challenger NOT training 3 times a day in preparation and I'd assume that for 5 weeks Ruiz would have been doing the same. Morning run ( about 5 miles), a rest then gym work for an hour, rest, bag work and technical aspects in the afternoon and some sparring and pad work at night. Pretty strenuous routine !
How on earth can someone train like this and come in SIX POUNDS HEAVIER ??????
I believe its possible for the weightlifters and bodybuilders ( usually by using steroids, but not always) to train like beasts and put on weight, but they're putting on muscle. Ruiz certainly wasn't . I realise many weightlifters/powerlifters are big guys, but they're not doing cardiovascular work. So I repeat, how on earth did Ruiz actually get fatter? ( Fury reportedly lost 10 stones for goodness sake).
To motivate him to run Manny lays a trail of Snickers along the route?
