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Ranking The Title Defenses (Randomly)

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 11:58
by HomicideHenry
In no particular order. You can rate one single defense, or all of them. Doesn't matter the way you do it. :TU: You can pick any champion from any time.

Larry Holmes (20 defenses) from 1978-1985, and I select #13 Randall "Tex" Cobb. :box:

Coming off the high of Cooney, the 20-2-0 Texan training out of Philadelphia was quite the "downgrade" in many peoples eyes. Even now in 2019 most people dismiss this fight as a complete washout.

However, in my view, this is peak Holmes. On this night I'm not sure 99.99% of the heavyweights of history could have touched him. So context is king.

Cobb was certainly no bum. He arguably was robbed against Ken Norton, whom Holmes won the title from. He had beaten Earnie Shavers, whom Holmes defeated twice. His majority decision loss to Michael Dokes was competitive as hell. Cobb also had wins over 19 others including Bernardo Mercado, whom Holmes defeated, and Jeff Schelburg.

Throw in his colorful past as a world-class kickboxer and his bombastic personality, combined with his remarkable chin, he certainly wasn't some easy mark. His rating was well deserved.

On a scale from 0 to 10 on the worthiness scale Cobb was about a 7 in my estimation. On a scale from 0 to 10 in terms of sheer dominance Holmes was a 9-and-a-half. Cobb wasn't as defenseless as Howard Cosell made him out to be. He had his moments, though few and far between. I don't give it a "10" because as wide as it was there wasn't any knock downs, nor was Cobb really ever in trouble of getting stopped (imho).

The problem with Cobb is that he was an arm puncher, so even the rounds he was decent or good in just didn't register (in my view) because he didn't punch with authority. That's basically what cost him the Norton fight (in my view) because Kenny hit harder and that made more of an impression on the judges.

Re: Ranking The Title Defenses (Randomly)

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 12:19
by Tony1244
Cosell was a hypocritical idiot during the Cobb fight. I have nothing against Howard, at times he was an entertaining announcer, but when Ali shutout Chuvalo and Terell, Cosell seemed to have a stiffy screaming, "What's My Name, What's My Name??"

Cosell got thru the boxing corruption of the mid 20th century but all of a sudden he couldn't handle the Holmes-Cobb mismatch. :brick:

Re: Ranking The Title Defenses (Randomly)

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 13:50
by DrDuke
Cosell sucked. Dunphy was better.

Re: Ranking The Title Defenses (Randomly)

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 14:15
by oogiebe
I always felt Holmes vs Shavers was vintage Holmes. He controlled the fight and then was struck by thunder yet showed his amazing recuperative powers against arguably the hardest hitter ever in the HW division. Shavers fought perhaps the fight of his life.

Re: Ranking The Title Defenses (Randomly)

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 15:31
by gilgamesh
This idea for a thread isn't bad, but given how many Champions there are in the history of the sport, it might make for less convoluted reading if you did it like this.

"Rank the title defenses: Larry Holmes" and just discussed his title reign, and then you could make several threads for several Champions. Just a thought. I like the idea, just figure there'd be a way it could read better, and more coherently. Just a suggestion, carry on.

Re: Ranking The Title Defenses (Randomly)

Posted: 10 Jun 2019, 17:04
by oogiebe
I agree the thread needs a rudder. And the idea of separate threads for each champ is ideal.