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apollo creed wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 03:22 “I’d like to fight Golovkin here,” Saunders (28-0, 13KOs) stated during an in-ring interview in between fights on an ESPN+ show Saturday evening in Nur-Sultan, Kazakhstan.
“[Golovkin was] a great champion and is a brilliant fighter,” noted Saunders. “But I would love the opportunity to fight him here [in Kazakhstan].
“Gennadiy Golovkin, I’m calling you out in your home country.” @bs

Don't know if BJS is just bluffing to create some buzz to stay relevant but realistically how difficult would be this fight to be made and at what weight and if it would involve vada testing ?

Personally I think BJS is irrelevant atm and I'd like to see GGG fighting Andrade next.

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 05:49

apollo creed wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 03:22 “I’d like to fight Golovkin here,” Saunders (28-0, 13KOs) stated during an in-ring interview in between fights on an ESPN+ show Saturday evening in Nur-Sultan, Kazakhstan.
“[Golovkin was] a great champion and is a brilliant fighter,” noted Saunders. “But I would love the opportunity to fight him here [in Kazakhstan].
“Gennadiy Golovkin, I’m calling you out in your home country.” @bs

Don't know if BJS is just bluffing to create some buzz to stay relevant but realistically how difficult would be this fight to be made and at what weight and if it would involve vada testing ?

Personally I think BJS is irrelevant atm and I'd like to see GGG fighting Andrade next.

What a sad bastard. Is the interview where he said “anyone but him”, when asked about whether he would fight GGG, still on YouTube or has it ‘disappeared’? Nobody wanted to fight Golovkin until he’d missed a step and got old and now he’s actually got a bit of money behind him out come the vultures. The funny thing is, Saunders has got a good chance against the increasingly mummified Golovkin, but I think it should be a case of anyone but Saunders right now. He hasn’t earned it, he’s repeatedly blown it.

Fight Callum Smith, Billy.

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 05:49

apollo creed wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 03:22 “I’d like to fight Golovkin here,” Saunders (28-0, 13KOs) stated during an in-ring interview in between fights on an ESPN+ show Saturday evening in Nur-Sultan, Kazakhstan.
“[Golovkin was] a great champion and is a brilliant fighter,” noted Saunders. “But I would love the opportunity to fight him here [in Kazakhstan].
“Gennadiy Golovkin, I’m calling you out in your home country.” @bs

Don't know if BJS is just bluffing to create some buzz to stay relevant but realistically how difficult would be this fight to be made and at what weight and if it would involve vada testing ?

Personally I think BJS is irrelevant atm and I'd like to see GGG fighting Andrade next.

What a sad bastard. Is the interview where he said “anyone but him”, when asked about whether he would fight GGG, still on YouTube or has it ‘disappeared’? Nobody wanted to fight Golovkin until he’d missed a step and got old and now he’s actually got a bit of money behind him out come the vultures. The funny thing is, Saunders has got a good chance against the increasingly mummified Golovkin, but I think it should be a case of anyone but Saunders right now. He hasn’t earned it, he’s repeatedly blown it.

Fight Callum Smith, Billy.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 07:07 Nobody serious is going to do business with BJS.

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 07:24

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 05:49
What a sad bastard. Is the interview where he said “anyone but him”, when asked about whether he would fight GGG, still on YouTube or has it ‘disappeared’? Nobody wanted to fight Golovkin until he’d missed a step and got old and now he’s actually got a bit of money behind him out come the vultures. The funny thing is, Saunders has got a good chance against the increasingly mummified Golovkin, but I think it should be a case of anyone but Saunders right now. He hasn’t earned it, he’s repeatedly blown it.

Fight Callum Smith, Billy.

Smith and his team have turned down a 7 figure offer for the fight.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 08:04 There was once a time when GGG was an “anyone-anytime-anywhere” type of boxer, but according to his own employee, Tom Loeffler, Golovkin decided to walk away from fights against Billy Joe Saunders on two separate occasions, after the Brit had already agreed terms and signed contracts.

The reason for GGG withdrawing on both occasions, Canelo, regardless of any “official” excuses conveyed at the time. Gennadiy didn’t want to risk losing a huge payday opportunity.

If Gennadiy Golovkin doesn’t fight Canelo, then he won’t face anyone notable (as per the Vanes Martirosyan and Steve Rolls bouts), despite there being an abundance of talent competing at 160lbs.

I guarantee you that “The Businessman” GGG won’t fight a top guy if he can’t secure a bout against Canelo next.

GGG appreciates that he cannot afford to suffer a loss against the likes of Andrade, Saunders or Jacobs, because it’ll result in him missing out on the Canelo jackpot!

Please watch recent videos of GGG being asked to discuss potential bouts against the likes of Andrade, Jacobs or Saunders, as they’ll surely provide confirmation the words I’ve written in this post!

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but GGG is prioritising his commercial worth over his legacy.

At some point, his fans will start losing patience about the nature of his safety-first business decisions.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 08:04 I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but GGG is prioritising his commercial worth over his legacy.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 09:41 Saunders shouldn't waste his breath issuing challenges in Khazakastan.

He should head to Santa Monica, California where Golovkin has bunked up for years.

That's the only place Golovkin will hear him. But I doubt he'll pay attention.

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 09:23

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 08:04 I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but GGG is prioritising his commercial worth over his legacy.

It isn't news at all. When he was in his prime, nobody wanted to fight him. Now he's old and ready to be picked off, he's got a queue. His legacy of being an ATG disappeared with the two Canelo fights. I'm sure he'll look to KO bums, take the least amount of wear and tear while filling his bank account and wait out Canelo 3 or something else equally lucrative. This is his retirement tour. eff me the guy has earned it. I couldn't care less. How old is he? 38? He should be retiring. If some company wants to throw him a ton of cash to keep fighting knock overs then I wish him well and will watch the highlights in the morning.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 10:42

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 09:23
It isn't news at all. When he was in his prime, nobody wanted to fight him. Now he's old and ready to be picked off, he's got a queue. His legacy of being an ATG disappeared with the two Canelo fights. I'm sure he'll look to KO bums, take the least amount of wear and tear while filling his bank account and wait out Canelo 3 or something else equally lucrative. This is his retirement tour. eff me the guy has earned it. I couldn't care less. How old is he? 38? He should be retiring. If some company wants to throw him a ton of cash to keep fighting knock overs then I wish him well and will watch the highlights in the morning.

I agree with pretty much everything you’ve written barring one short sentence. There is almost no proof whatsoever of K2 having ever initiated contract negotiations with the vast majority of GGG’s big-name peers, which resulted in Tom Loeffler submitting financial offers for bouts.

From a commercial perspective, GGG would have been considered as being the proverbial A-side against almost every single fighter in the 160lbs weight class.

Also Golovkin’s average 1.25m US viewership figures during 2013 far exceeded the vast majority of the 40 fighters that competed in the top 25 most viewed non-PPV HBO & Showtime cable fights televised that year (ahead of the likes of Timothy Bradley, Bernard Hopkins, Andre Ward and Nonito Donaire).

We also need to remember that sometimes it was Team GGG that refused to take fights, as well as both Saunders’ situations I previously mentioned, Golovkin’s handers actually rejected the opportunity to face Peter Quillin, because the American wanted the fight to be awarded to the highest bidding network and promoter, but K2 couldn't permit this since Gennadiy's exclusive contract with HBO forbid him from competing on rival networks.

I’ve had this argument too often and possess far too many posts/evidence that I can retrieve to undermine this common misconception.

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 11:02

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 10:42
I agree with pretty much everything you’ve written barring one short sentence. There is almost no proof whatsoever of K2 having ever initiated contract negotiations with the vast majority of GGG’s big-name peers, which resulted in Tom Loeffler submitting financial offers for bouts.

From a commercial perspective, GGG would have been considered as being the proverbial A-side against almost every single fighter in the 160lbs weight class.

Also Golovkin’s average 1.25m US viewership figures during 2013 far exceeded the vast majority of the 40 fighters that competed in the top 25 most viewed non-PPV HBO & Showtime cable fights televised that year (ahead of the likes of Timothy Bradley, Bernard Hopkins, Andre Ward and Nonito Donaire).

We also need to remember that sometimes it was Team GGG that refused to take fights, as well as both Saunders’ situations I previously mentioned, Golovkin’s handers actually rejected the opportunity to face Peter Quillin, because the American wanted the fight to be awarded to the highest bidding network and promoter, but K2 couldn't permit this since Gennadiy's exclusive contract with HBO forbid him from competing on rival networks.

I’ve had this argument too often and possess far too many posts/evidence that I can retrieve to undermine this common misconception.

Didn't read.

I've followed his whole career and he was clearly avoided until he got old.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 10:41

SenorPipino wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 09:41 Saunders shouldn't waste his breath issuing challenges in Khazakastan.

He should head to Santa Monica, California where Golovkin has bunked up for years.

That's the only place Golovkin will hear him. But I doubt he'll pay attention.

Canelo should fight BJS who has a real SMW belt. That would be more challenging than getting Fielding's paper belt.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 11:11

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 11:02
Didn't read.

I've followed his whole career and he was clearly avoided until he got old.

There’s no proof of this though.

It’s your prerogative to live in ignorant bliss and believe in your own preferred perception of reality, regardless the blatant lack of evidence to substantiate your fictitious beliefs.

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 11:32

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 11:11
There’s no proof of this though.

It’s your prerogative to live in ignorant bliss and believe in your own preferred perception of reality, regardless the blatant lack of evidence to substantiate your fictitious beliefs.

Ooh insults in the style of an ill-researched 2.2 essay! Someone's been to university

Jog on, mate.

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 09:23

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 08:04 I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but GGG is prioritising his commercial worth over his legacy.

It isn't news at all. When he was in his prime, nobody wanted to fight him. Now he's old and ready to be picked off, he's got a queue. His legacy of being an ATG disappeared with the two Canelo fights. I'm sure he'll look to KO bums, take the least amount of wear and tear while filling his bank account and wait out Canelo 3 or something else equally lucrative. This is his retirement tour. eff me the guy has earned it. I couldn't care less. How old is he? 38? He should be retiring. If some company wants to throw him a ton of cash to keep fighting knock overs then I wish him well and will watch the highlights in the morning.

greg wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 11:14 ...for someone who's been a road warrior and boxing in 7-8 countries (just compare it with like Canelo, Ward and the rest of current and potential ATGs), GGG career is nothing less than extraordinary..surely there are a couple of ups and downs even a few "losses) but, guess what, sh*t happens when you are not SCARED TO TRAVEL and are prepared to defy the odds..

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 11:32

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 11:11
There’s no proof of this though.

It’s your prerogative to live in ignorant bliss and believe in your own preferred perception of reality, regardless the blatant lack of evidence to substantiate your fictitious beliefs.

Ooh insults in the style of an ill-researched 2.2 essay! Someone's been to university

Jog on, mate.

apollo creed wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 11:56

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑07 Jul 2019, 11:32
Ooh insults in the style of an ill-researched 2.2 essay! Someone's been to university

Jog on, mate.

This kind of argue needs blah, blah, blah... blah, blah