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How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 07:21
by apollo creed
I see Murata as a good mw fighter. In Japan would probably be a big event. The problem is Murata is a TR fighter. So besides Andrade, I don't see any other realistically top mw fight for GGG. Excluding Canelo, of course.
Another option could be Munguia but it ain't that appealing for me.
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 07:48
by Enlightened-One
Golovkin will be ridiculed for seeking an easy payday if he chose to fight Ryota Murata for the meaningless “regular” version of the WBA title, even if it provides him with a lucrative payday, rather than face Sergiy Derevyanchenko for the vacant (and far more prestigious) IBF strap or exploit his number one ranking to challenge Jermall Charlo or Demetrius Andrade for their WBC and WBO championships.
Put it this way, a super-middleweight like Callum Smith, who doesn’t have an opponent for his September 14th fight-date, absolutely battered Hassan N'Dam, who recently defeated Ryota Murata.
And you’re proposing that the Brit’s fellow DAZN stablemate, GGG, who himself recently competed as a super-middleweight during his latest outing and is also looking for an opponent for the 14th September, faces Ryota Murata? It'll be a tough sell!
I also feel that fight between a DAZN fighter, like GGG, and sometime linked with ESPN, such as Murata, could potentially be difficult to make.
Finally, a fight between GGG and Jaime Munguia would be a mismatch. And how many times can Gennadiy get away with facing smaller guys that have no credibility at 160lbs, whilst continuing to escape criticism?
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 08:20
by Cent0089
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 08:24
by Onetimeonly
Murata is facing Brant again
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 08:33
by Cent0089
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 08:24
Murata is facing Brant again
Are you sure? :O
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 08:40
by dagilechia
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 07:48
Golovkin will be ridiculed for seeking an easy payday if he chose to fight Ryota Murata for the meaningless “regular” version of the WBA title, even if it provides him with a lucrative payday, rather than face Sergiy Derevyanchenko for the vacant (and far more prestigious) IBF strap or exploit his number one ranking to challenge Jermall Charlo or Demetrius Andrade for their WBC and WBO championships.
Put it this way, a super-middleweight like Callum Smith, who doesn’t have an opponent for his September 14th fight-date, absolutely battered Hassan N'Dam, who recently defeated Ryota Murata.
And you’re proposing that the Brit’s fellow DAZN stablemate, GGG, who himself recently competed as a super-middleweight during his latest outing and is also looking for an opponent for the 14th September, faces Ryota Murata? It'll be a tough sell!
I also feel that fight between a DAZN fighter, like GGG, and sometime linked with ESPN, such as Murata, could potentially be difficult to make.
Finally, a fight between GGG and Jaime Munguia would be a mismatch. And how many times can Gennadiy get away with facing smaller guys that have no credibility at 160lbs, whilst continuing to escape criticism?
Have you even seen Murata vs N'Dam N'Jikam. Hassan didn't won that
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 08:45
by apollo creed
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 07:48
Golovkin will be ridiculed for seeking an easy payday if he chose to fight Ryota Murata for the meaningless “regular” version of the WBA title, even if it provides him with a lucrative payday, rather than face
Sergiy Derevyanchenko for the vacant (and far more prestigious) IBF strap or exploit his number one ranking to challenge
Jermall Charlo or Demetrius Andrade for their WBC and WBO championships.
Put it this way, a super-middleweight like Callum Smith, who doesn’t have an opponent for his September 14th fight-date, absolutely battered Hassan N'Dam, who recently defeated Ryota Murata.
And you’re proposing that the Brit’s fellow DAZN stablemate, GGG, who himself recently competed as a super-middleweight during his latest outing and is also looking for an opponent for the 14th September, faces Ryota Murata? It'll be a tough sell!
I also feel that fight between a DAZN fighter, like GGG, and sometime linked with ESPN, such as Murata, could potentially be difficult to make.
Finally, a fight between GGG and Jaime Munguia would be a mismatch. And how many times can Gennadiy get away with facing smaller guys that have no credibility at 160lbs, whilst continuing to escape criticism?
Charlo and Derevyanchenko are PBC fighters. Actually they could fight each other and I'd cheer for this fight.
Munguia as I said it doesn't appeal me.
Andrade may be the only interesting and realistically top mw opponent for GGG.
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 08:47
by apollo creed
Cent0089 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 08:20
Murata did not deserve GGG fight yet.
Golovkin vs Andrade on september, Murata vs Tureano Johnson main undercard. Winner against winner in December, less talk more fights.
The only good option for GGG at mw.
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 08:49
by SenorPipino
Cent0089 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 08:33
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 08:24
Murata is facing Brant again
Are you sure? :O
It looks that way.
Brant's co-promoter says that his fighter has already triggered one of those popular rematch clauses that was in the second fight contract.
Murata will whack him out again. Brant is a one hit wonder.
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 08:50
by dagilechia
apollo creed wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 08:45
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 07:48
Golovkin will be ridiculed for seeking an easy payday if he chose to fight Ryota Murata for the meaningless “regular” version of the WBA title, even if it provides him with a lucrative payday, rather than face
Sergiy Derevyanchenko for the vacant (and far more prestigious) IBF strap or exploit his number one ranking to challenge
Jermall Charlo or Demetrius Andrade for their WBC and WBO championships.
Put it this way, a super-middleweight like Callum Smith, who doesn’t have an opponent for his September 14th fight-date, absolutely battered Hassan N'Dam, who recently defeated Ryota Murata.
And you’re proposing that the Brit’s fellow DAZN stablemate, GGG, who himself recently competed as a super-middleweight during his latest outing and is also looking for an opponent for the 14th September, faces Ryota Murata? It'll be a tough sell!
I also feel that fight between a DAZN fighter, like GGG, and sometime linked with ESPN, such as Murata, could potentially be difficult to make.
Finally, a fight between GGG and Jaime Munguia would be a mismatch. And how many times can Gennadiy get away with facing smaller guys that have no credibility at 160lbs, whilst continuing to escape criticism?
Charlo and Derevyanchenko are PBC fighters. Actually they could fight each other and I'd cheer for this fight.
Munguia as I said it doesn't appeal me.
Andrade may be the only interesting and realistically top mw opponent for GGG.
I'd like to see GGG vs Andrade too. If Zhenya wins that comfortably it would mean that GGG is not that past prime. However, i think that Andrade wants Canelo only.
Boxing = business > sport
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 08:52
by apollo creed
dagilechia wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 08:40
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 07:48
Golovkin will be ridiculed for seeking an easy payday if he chose to fight Ryota Murata for the meaningless “regular” version of the WBA title, even if it provides him with a lucrative payday, rather than face Sergiy Derevyanchenko for the vacant (and far more prestigious) IBF strap or exploit his number one ranking to challenge Jermall Charlo or Demetrius Andrade for their WBC and WBO championships.
Put it this way, a super-middleweight like Callum Smith, who doesn’t have an opponent for his September 14th fight-date, absolutely battered Hassan N'Dam,
who recently defeated Ryota Murata.
And you’re proposing that the Brit’s fellow DAZN stablemate, GGG, who himself recently competed as a super-middleweight during his latest outing and is also looking for an opponent for the 14th September, faces Ryota Murata? It'll be a tough sell!
I also feel that fight between a DAZN fighter, like GGG, and sometime linked with ESPN, such as Murata, could potentially be difficult to make.
Finally, a fight between GGG and Jaime Munguia would be a mismatch. And how many times can Gennadiy get away with facing smaller guys that have no credibility at 160lbs, whilst continuing to escape criticism?
Have you even seen Murata vs N'Dam N'Jikam. Hassan didn't won that
EO is exaggerating as 2017-05-20 as being 'recently' lol and also he forgot that Murata avenged that loss.
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 08:53
by dagilechia
apollo creed wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 08:52
dagilechia wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 08:40
Have you even seen Murata vs N'Dam N'Jikam. Hassan didn't won that
EO is exaggerating as 2017-05-20 as being 'recently' lol and also he forgot that Murata avenged that loss.
You are right + Murata didn't lost in the first place. I had it 116-111 or 117-110 for Murata.
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 08:56
by Onetimeonly
Cent0089 wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 08:33
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 08:24
Murata is facing Brant again
Are you sure? :O
Positive. Rematch clause.
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 09:12
by apollo creed
It'd be interesting to see if DAZN will impose it's will to make GGG vs Andrade happen.
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 09:21
by Enlightened-One
dagilechia wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 08:40
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 07:48
Golovkin will be ridiculed for seeking an easy payday if he chose to fight Ryota Murata for the meaningless “regular” version of the WBA title, even if it provides him with a lucrative payday, rather than face Sergiy Derevyanchenko for the vacant (and far more prestigious) IBF strap or exploit his number one ranking to challenge Jermall Charlo or Demetrius Andrade for their WBC and WBO championships.
Put it this way, a super-middleweight like Callum Smith, who doesn’t have an opponent for his September 14th fight-date, absolutely battered Hassan N'Dam, who recently defeated Ryota Murata.
And you’re proposing that the Brit’s fellow DAZN stablemate, GGG, who himself recently competed as a super-middleweight during his latest outing and is also looking for an opponent for the 14th September, faces Ryota Murata? It'll be a tough sell!
I also feel that fight between a DAZN fighter, like GGG, and sometime linked with ESPN, such as Murata, could potentially be difficult to make.
Finally, a fight between GGG and Jaime Munguia would be a mismatch. And how many times can Gennadiy get away with facing smaller guys that have no credibility at 160lbs, whilst continuing to escape criticism?
Have you even seen Murata vs N'Dam N'Jikam. Hassan didn't won that
My comments were in the context of marketing and comparisons being inevitably drawn, which Eddie Hearn will milk for all its worth to enhance the reputation of his own fighter, hence my comments regarding the bout being “a tough sell!”
I was conveying my thoughts from a commercial rather than a sporting perspective.
Callum Smith enjoyed a vastly easier ride against Hassan N'Dam than Ryota Murata did. And fight fans will be abundantly aware of this.
Regardless, the point I’ve made is that there are several better fighters for GGG to face (from both a sporting and commercial perspective) than Ryota Murata.
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 09:43
by boxing_rocks
Murata in Japan is a huge fight. If it is makeable, Golovkin should take it.
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 09:57
by boxing_rocks
However, it sounds like Hearn will try to grab Canelo's September date and make a show with Golovkin and Usyk double header. Then it will likely be Munguia for Golovkin.
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 09:59
by apollo creed
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 09:21
dagilechia wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 08:40
Have you even seen Murata vs N'Dam N'Jikam. Hassan didn't won that
My comments were in the context
of marketing and comparisons being inevitably drawn, which Eddie Hearn will milk for all its worth to enhance the reputation of his own fighter, hence my comments regarding the bout being “a tough sell!”
I was conveying my thoughts
from a commercial rather than a sporting perspective.
Callum Smith enjoyed a vastly easier ride against Hassan N'Dam than Ryota Murata did. And fight fans will be abundantly aware of this.
Regardless, the point I’ve made is that there are several better fighters for GGG to face (from both a sporting and
commercial perspective) than Ryota Murata.
you are one hilarious twisted troll
Murata in Japan is a far bigger seller than Callum, Andrade and Charlo combined, especially with his win over Brant. Just from a commercial standpoint.
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 10:05
by apollo creed
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 09:43
Murata in Japan is a huge fight. If it is makeable, Golovkin should take it.
Yup. The problem is that Murata is a TR fighter.
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 10:06
by apollo creed
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 09:57
However, it sounds like Hearn will try to grab Canelo's September date and make a show with Golovkin and Usyk double header. Then it will likely be
Munguia for Golovkin.
Soft opponent for GGG.
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 10:58
by Enlightened-One
apollo creed wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 09:59
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 09:21
My comments were in the context
of marketing and comparisons being inevitably drawn, which Eddie Hearn will milk for all its worth to enhance the reputation of his own fighter, hence my comments regarding the bout being “a tough sell!”
I was conveying my thoughts
from a commercial rather than a sporting perspective.
Callum Smith enjoyed a vastly easier ride against Hassan N'Dam than Ryota Murata did. And fight fans will be abundantly aware of this.
Regardless, the point I’ve made is that there are several better fighters for GGG to face (from both a sporting and
commercial perspective) than Ryota Murata.
you are one hilarious twisted troll
Murata in Japan is a far bigger seller than Callum, Andrade and Charlo combined, especially with his win over Brant. Just from a commercial standpoint.
Callum Smith earned the lion’s share of the $10m total purse pot for the George Groves bout.
18 months prior (March 2017), TGB Promotions won a purse bid, with a $1.6m offer, to stage the Anthony Dirrell-Callum Smith WBC super-middleweight title fight. The Brit would have received $800K, but declined the bout in order to participate in the far more lucrative WBSS tournament.
What are Ryota Murata's purses like?
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 11:40
by SenorPipino
apollo creed wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 10:06
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 09:57
However, it sounds like Hearn will try to grab Canelo's September date and make a show with Golovkin and Usyk double header. Then it will likely be
Munguia for Golovkin.
Soft opponent for GGG.
Terrific opponent.
Munguia is is no free ride.
And a Mexican warrior is needed in the opposite corner to legitimize Golovkin fighting on the sacred Mexican Independence Day date.
Too many Mexican product sponsors involved to allow 2 gringos to meet on that boxing showcase night.
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 12:06
by Onetimeonly
SenorPipino wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 11:40
Terrific opponent.
Munguia is is no free ride.
And a Mexican warrior is needed in the opposite corner to legitimize Golovkin fighting on the sacred Mexican Independence Day date.
Too many Mexican product sponsors involved to allow 2 gringos to meet on that boxing showcase night.
Odd, Floyd seemed to do pretty well on those dates.
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 12:12
by SenorPipino
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 12:06
SenorPipino wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 11:40
Terrific opponent.
Munguia is is no free ride.
And a Mexican warrior is needed in the opposite corner to legitimize Golovkin fighting on the sacred Mexican Independence Day date.
Too many Mexican product sponsors involved to allow 2 gringos to meet on that boxing showcase night.
Odd, Floyd seemed to do pretty well on those dates.
The last of the intriguing black fighters.
Mayweather has prodigious talent and the ability to sell himself.
Thurman can't compare. It's not a coincidence that after 12 years as a pro, Thurman is finally headlining his first PPV.
Of course, it took a legend in the opposite corner for it to finally happen.
Re: How would you see Murata as GGG's next opponent? It could be made?
Posted: 19 Jul 2019, 12:14
by apollo creed
SenorPipino wrote: ↑19 Jul 2019, 11:40
Terrific opponent.
Munguia is is no free ride.
And a Mexican warrior is needed in the opposite corner to legitimize Golovkin fighting on the sacred Mexican Independence Day date.
Too many Mexican product sponsors involved to allow 2 gringos to meet on that boxing showcase night.
Yeah, indeed. Dennis Hogan gave Munguia hell.