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Thurman looked drained and I suspect he's gonna balloon up to 170+ in the fight night to outweigh Pacquiao.

I hope Manny still has it and he'll put a great performance against Thurman.

Thurman has been fighting at this weight since he was a senior at high school.
I don't expect him to have any trouble hydrating back to around the MW level.
He has an experienced team around him- both guys do- and making weight, and being on point in the ring shouldn't be an issue for Thurman.

apollo creed wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 03:34 Thurman looked drained and I suspect he's gonna balloon up to 170+ in the fight night to outweigh Pacquiao.

You’re embellishing things.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 05:59 Thurman has been fighting at this weight since he was a senior at high school.
I don't expect him to have any trouble hydrating back to around the MW level.
He has an experienced team around him- both guys do- and making weight, and being on point in the ring shouldn't be an issue for Thurman.

Thurman was out of boxing a good period of time and now he's older. He's a 30 y/o fighter. His metabolism is getting slower. Also he's a big fighter compared with Pacquiao.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 06:04

apollo creed wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 03:34 Thurman looked drained and I suspect he's gonna balloon up to 170+ in the fight night to outweigh Pacquiao.

You’re embellishing things.

You're cloaking your own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that you're in fact impartial.

apollo creed wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 06:41

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 06:04
You’re embellishing things.

You're cloaking your own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that you're in fact impartial.

I can't find a single welterweight fighter (in the history of the sport) that had officially rehydrated to more than 167lbs come fight night.

It hasn't happened... ever!

And you're proposing that Keith Thurman will enter the ring in excess of 170lbs against Pacquiao, which is the typical rehydration weight of a middleweight?

You’re embellishing things!

apollo creed wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 03:34 Thurman looked drained and I suspect he's gonna balloon up to 170+ in the fight night to outweigh Pacquiao.

I suspect that your suspicion is inaccurate.

Go Pacman!!

Pac has been outweighed by his opponents for the past 10 years. He doesn’t care about his opponents weight. As long as his is ok.

. . . and Thurman did not look drained beyond normal.

Let's not kid ourself. Atm Pac is 40 y/o. When Pac fought Horn, he was 37/38 y/o and Pac had problems with him. And Horn was not that talented as Thurman is. Pac ain't the same little monster like he was in 2008-2010, when he beat the poo of ODLH and Margarito. I hope I'm wrong and Pac will beat K.T but I think Thurman will try to outweigh the little-old Pac as much as he can.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 09:27 Pac has been outweighed by his opponents for the past 10 years. He doesn’t care about his opponents weight. As long as his is ok.

Right.

Margarito probably had 20 pounds on Pacquiao when they climbed into the ring.

Clottey too.

Rehydration weight will have no bearing on the outcome. Pacquiao is and has always been a smallish welter.

Yet he still beat almost everyone.

If Pac loses, it's because Thurman is better. Not because Thurman had some sort of weight edge.

apollo creed wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 09:45 I think Thurman will try to outweigh the little-old Pac as much as he can.

You were doing so well, then you ended your post with that silliness.

I bet PACs balls are heavier than Thurman’s. This is the best Pac fight in years. Respect.

lazboy wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 11:24 I bet PACs balls are heavier than Thurman’s. This is the best Pac fight in years. Respect.

Indeed!! Go Manny!

It's just my thought. I think Thurman will rely on the weight advantage a lot since he has faded as a fighter.

Probably 10 pounds or just shy of it. I imagine Manny will come up to the low 150's while Thurman will go up to about 162-63...thereabouts.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 09:27 Pac has been outweighed by his opponents for the past 10 years. He doesn’t care about his opponents weight. As long as his is ok.

As long as he isn’t being tested.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 13:44

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 09:27 Pac has been outweighed by his opponents for the past 10 years. He doesn’t care about his opponents weight. As long as his is ok.

As long as he isn’t being tested.

Can you actually come with a true verified fact about what you are insinuating or you just trying to lure the posters in to an argue with your factually poor and undocumented affirmation???

SenorPipino wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 09:57

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 09:27 Pac has been outweighed by his opponents for the past 10 years. He doesn’t care about his opponents weight. As long as his is ok.

Right.

Margarito probably had 20 pounds on Pacquiao when they climbed into the ring.

Clottey too.

Rehydration weight will have no bearing on the outcome. Pacquiao is and has always been a smallish welter.

Yet he still beat almost everyone.

If Pac loses, it's because Thurman is better. Not because Thurman had some sort of weight edge.

Are you aware of catchweights?

apollo creed wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 13:53

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 13:44

As long as he isn’t being tested.

Can you actually come with a true verified fact about what you are insinuating or you just trying to lure the posters in to an argue with your factually poor and undocumented affirmation???

I can easily prove that Pacquiao has often admitted to being reluctant to undergo random unannounced blood-based drug testing.

Are you new to the sport of boxing, because what I’ve claimed is common knowledge to anyone that makes the effort to follow the sport?

If you feel that I’m lying and possess enough confidence to aggressively accuse me of making false claims, then say so and let’s see what happens.

Even if I don’t respond to your naive accusations, other knowledgeable posters will.

You can’t rewrite history to adhere to your preferred narrative!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 14:05

SenorPipino wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 09:57

Right.

Margarito probably had 20 pounds on Pacquiao when they climbed into the ring.

Clottey too.

Rehydration weight will have no bearing on the outcome. Pacquiao is and has always been a smallish welter.

Yet he still beat almost everyone.

If Pac loses, it's because Thurman is better. Not because Thurman had some sort of weight edge.

Are you aware of catchweights?

He had a catchweight with Cotto and ODLH.

I saw nothing wrong with the Oscar catchweight. Manny was coming up from lightweight. A megafight that could only be made at a catchweight.

Oscar boiled down far too much and was the smaller man that night.

The Cotto catchweight was rather bogus. Manny didn't need it to win. He would have beaten Cotto at 154.

Offhand, I think that there might have been a catchweight for the Margarito bout too.

Margarito was a huge guy. A junior middleweight with a middleweight's frame. But Pac was light years faster at any weight.

I don't blame Manny. Margarito was popular and controversial and it was a big money attraction.

And fighter's should never be condemned for seeking some advantage. Weightwise or otherwise. It's part of strategy.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 14:09

apollo creed wrote: ↑20 Jul 2019, 13:53

Can you actually come with a true verified fact about what you are insinuating or you just trying to lure the posters in to an argue with your factually poor and undocumented affirmation???

I can easily prove that Pacquiao has often admitted to being reluctant to undergo random unannounced blood-based drug testing.

Are you new to the sport of boxing, because what I’ve claimed is common knowledge to anyone that makes the effort to follow the sport?

If you feel that I’m lying and possess enough confidence to aggressively accuse me of making false claims, then say so and let’s see what happens.

Even if I don’t respond to your naive accusations, other knowledgeable posters will.

You can’t rewrite history to adhere to your preferred narrative!

So what is your point about Pacquiao "being reluctant to undergo random unannounced blood-based drug testing" ?