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BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 20:01
by dagilechia
The voting is over.
Dereck Chisora moves to
#12,
Dillian Whyte stays at
#5,
Γscar Rivas remains at
#11, the rest stays unranked.
Current Ranking
1.
Tyson Fury -
28(20) 0 1 - next fight:
14.09.2019 vs
Otto Wallin -
20(13) 0 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #48)
2.
Deontay Wilder -
41(40) 0 1 - next fight:
09.11.2019 vs
Luis Ortiz -
31(26) 1(1) 0 - (
#7)
3.
Andy Ruiz Jr -
33(22) 1(0) 0 - next fight:
07.12.2019 vs
Anthony Joshua -
22(21) 1(1) 0 - (
#4)
4.
Anthony Joshua -
22(21) 1(1) 0 - next fight:
07.12.2019 vs
Andy Ruiz Jr -
33(22) 1(0) 0 - (
#3)
5.
Dillian Whyte -
26(18) 1(1) 0 - next fight:
TBA
6.
Alexander Povetkin -
34(24) 2(1) 0 - next fight:
31.08.2019 vs
Hughie Fury -
23(13) 2(0) 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #21)
7.
Luis Ortiz -
31(26) 1(1) 0 - next fight:
09.11.2019 vs
Deontay Wilder -
41(40) 0 1 - (
#2)
8.
Kubrat Pulev -
27(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight:
TBA
9.
Joseph Parker -
26(20) 2(0) 0 - next fight:
TBA
10.
Adam Kownacki -
20(15) 0 0 - next fight:
TBA
11.
Γscar Rivas -
26(18) 1(0) 0 - next fight:
TBA
12.
Dereck Chisora -
31(22) 9(3) 0 - next fight:
TBA
13.
Filip HrgoviΔ -
8(6) 0 0 - next fight:
24.08.2019 vs
Mario Heredia -
16(13) 6(5) 1 - (unranked, BoxRec's #49)
14.
Agit Kabayel -
19(13) 0 0 - next fight:
TBA
15.
Dominic Breazeale -
20(18) 2(2) 0 - next fight:
TBA
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 20:28
by joshj909
Whyte to 2
Chisora down to 14
Ajagba to 15
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 20:29
by oogiebe
I have no change.
Whyte beat Rivas. Whyte has nowhere to go in the rankings and Rivas doesn't fall because of losing a decision to the #5 Ranked guy
Chis over Spzilka: No movement. Artur is a shot fighter and beating him doesn't move Chis up in the rankings.
Efe over Ali: Neither is top 20 so no impact.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 20:31
by oogiebe
joshj909 wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 20:28
Whyte to 2
Chisora down to 14
Ajagba to 15
Are you taking the piss?
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 20:36
by gilgamesh
Updated: As of July 20, 2019
Champion: Vacant
1. Deontay Wilder (last fought: 5-18-2019)
2. Andy Ruiz Jr. - (last fought: 6-1-2019)
3. Tyson Fury - (last fought: 6-15-2019)
4. Anthony Joshua - (last fought: 6-1-2019)
5. Dillian Whyte - (last fought: 7-20-2019)
6. Alexander Povetkin - (last fought: 9-22-2018)
7. Luis Ortiz - (last fought: 3-2-2019)
8. Adam Kownacki - (last fought: 1-26-2019)
9. Kubrat Pulev - (last fought: 3-23-2019)
10. Joseph Parker - (last fought: 12-15-2018)
11. Joe Joyce - (last fought: 7-13-2019)
12. Dereck Chisora - (last fought: 7-20-2019)
13. Oscar Rivas - (last fought: 7-20-2019)
14. Dominic Breazeale - (last fought: 5-18-2019)
15. Agit Kabayel - (last fought: 3-2-2019)
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 20:38
by joshj909
oogiebe wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 20:31
joshj909 wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 20:28
Whyte to 2
Chisora down to 14
Ajagba to 15
Are you taking the piss?
Not sure which you're arguing with but ok, here goes:
Whyte - Wilder's best win is Ortiz, who's best win is Jennings (same as Rivas). I rate a win over Parker as a better win than any of Wilder's other wins (argue against that if you please). Fury also clearly beat him, and if you want to go on result alone, a draw is not a win.
Chisora - I'm one of the few posters who respect the fact that Kabayel beat Chisora, everyone else seems to refuse to accept it. That should be corrected. This win, in my opinion, just reminds me of that fact.
Ajagba - Breazeale's best wins are Ugunoh, Mansour and Molina. Mansour by questionable circumstance when he was way behind so lets exclude that. Ugonoh has been exposed, and a win over Molina is worse than Ajagba's perfectly credible wins over Mansour and Demirezen in my opinon.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 20:40
by oogiebe
joshj909 wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 20:38
oogiebe wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 20:31
Are you taking the piss?
Not sure which you're arguing with but ok, here goes:
Whyte - Wilder's best win is Ortiz, who's best win is Jennings (same as Rivas). I rate a win over Parker as a better win than any of Wilder's other wins (argue against that if you please). Fury also clearly beat him, and if you want to go on result alone, a draw is not a win.
Chisora - I'm one of the few posters who respect the fact that Kabayel beat Chisora, everyone else seems to refuse to accept it. That should be corrected. This win, in my opinion, just reminds me of that fact.
Ajagba - Breazeale's best wins are Ugunoh, Mansour and Molina. Mansour by questionable circumstance when he was way behind so lets exclude that. Ugonoh has been exposed, and a win over Molina is worse than Ajagba's perfectly credible wins over Mansour and Demirezen in my opinon.
LOL! Whyte to 2. If nothing else. Are you ignoring the fact that AJ kayoed whyte???
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 20:42
by tiny_acres
Whyte no change
Rivas out
Chisora no change ( even though I think he is not top 15 I can't lower him for winning)
Ajagba makes my top 25 but not top 15 yet
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 20:44
by joshj909
oogiebe wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 20:40
joshj909 wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 20:38
Not sure which you're arguing with but ok, here goes:
Whyte - Wilder's best win is Ortiz, who's best win is Jennings (same as Rivas). I rate a win over Parker as a better win than any of Wilder's other wins (argue against that if you please). Fury also clearly beat him, and if you want to go on result alone, a draw is not a win.
Chisora - I'm one of the few posters who respect the fact that Kabayel beat Chisora, everyone else seems to refuse to accept it. That should be corrected. This win, in my opinion, just reminds me of that fact.
Ajagba - Breazeale's best wins are Ugunoh, Mansour and Molina. Mansour by questionable circumstance when he was way behind so lets exclude that. Ugonoh has been exposed, and a win over Molina is worse than Ajagba's perfectly credible wins over Mansour and Demirezen in my opinon.
LOL! Whyte to 2
Right now i'd like to rate it (roughly) [Ruiz - Joshua - Fury - Whyte - Wilder] but that's not how this works unfortunately.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 20:47
by KiwiRider
oogiebe wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 20:29
I have no change.
Whyte beat Rivas. Whyte has nowhere to go in the rankings and Rivas doesn't fall because of losing a decision to the #5 Ranked guy
Chis over Spzilka: No movement. Artur is a shot fighter and beating him doesn't move Chis up in the rankings.
Efe over Ali: Neither is top 20 so no impact.
Whyte moves up on my estimation of him. He fought smarter than in the past. But he can't move past AJ, no way.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 20:50
by oogiebe
KiwiRider wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 20:47
oogiebe wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 20:29
I have no change.
Whyte beat Rivas. Whyte has nowhere to go in the rankings and Rivas doesn't fall because of losing a decision to the #5 Ranked guy
Chis over Spzilka: No movement. Artur is a shot fighter and beating him doesn't move Chis up in the rankings.
Efe over Ali: Neither is top 20 so no impact.
Whyte moves up on my estimation of him. He fought smarter than in the past. But he can't move past AJ, no way.
His jab looked terrific today.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 21:00
by Jonny22Kupfer
Question A: No change (but Chisora to #12 because of Question B)
Question B: Whyte down to #7 and Rivas down to #13
Question C: No change
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 21:02
by ironbeard
WTH is going on up in here? How does Rivas fall by losing a decision to number 5? How does Chisora jump ahead of him by stopping someone outside the top 15, and essentially finished?
No change.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 21:05
by oogiebe
ironbeard wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 21:02
WTH is going on up in here? How does Rivas fall by losing a decision to number 5? How does Chisora jump ahead of him by stopping someone outside the top 15, and essentially finished?
No change.
My sentiments exactly. One poster moved whyte to number two.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 22:09
by joshj909
oogiebe wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 21:05
ironbeard wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 21:02
WTH is going on up in here? How does Rivas fall by losing a decision to number 5? How does Chisora jump ahead of him by stopping someone outside the top 15, and essentially finished?
No change.
My sentiments exactly. One poster moved whyte to number two.
I explained my reasoning. Is it unreasonable?
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 22:22
by oogiebe
joshj909 wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 22:09
oogiebe wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 21:05
My sentiments exactly. One poster moved whyte to number two.
I explained my reasoning. Is it unreasonable?
Yes
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 22:31
by joshj909
oogiebe wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 22:22
joshj909 wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 22:09
I explained my reasoning. Is it unreasonable?
Yes
Care to explain why?
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 22:58
by oogiebe
joshj909 wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 22:31
Care to explain why?
Whyte to number 2 passes AJ who kayoed Whyte. To use your own method.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 23:08
by Contendeh
I wouldnβt change a thing except replace Breazeale, who I think is finished.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 23:26
by joshj909
oogiebe wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 22:58
joshj909 wrote: β20 Jul 2019, 22:31
Care to explain why?
Whyte to number 2 passes AJ who kayoed Whyte. To use your own method.
Though this victory moves him above Wilder. See the conundrum? In this system they would have to be moved up one by one when they fight until they are above who they should be above, until the boxer they should be above fights, and can be moved down...
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 21 Jul 2019, 06:39
by DrDuke
Chisora to the 11th.
Kabayel to the 13th.
Rivas to the 14th.
Ajagba to the 15th.
Breazeale out.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 21 Jul 2019, 07:10
by pound per pound
Rivas and Breazeale out!
Ajagba to 14th, Joyce to 15th.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 21 Jul 2019, 09:53
by dagilechia
some votes are too unclear to count them as valid.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 21 Jul 2019, 10:34
by SportsRatings
A: Chisora win: Chisora remains #13
B: Whyte beats Rivas: Whyte remains #5, Rivas falls from #11 to #14; Hrgovic moves up #12 to #11; Kabayel moves #14 to #12
C: Ajagba win: Ajagba replaces Breazeale at #15
Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 Ranking - Chisora, Whyte, Ajagba
Posted: 21 Jul 2019, 10:49
by Pukka Cheese
Breazeale shouldn't be top 15 but giving Efe that spot over Joyce seems strange to me.
I say no change but switching Chisora and Rivas wouldn't be terrible.