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There is a good chance that unified middleweight world champion Canelo Alvarez's next fight will be against Sergey Derevyanchenko, one of his mandatory challengers.

A purse bid scheduled for noon ET on Tuesday at the IBF offices in Springfield, New Jersey, has been postponed until Friday because Alvarez promoter Golden Boy Promotions and Derevyanchenko promoter Lou DiBella are engaged in serious discussions and nearing a deal, sources with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.

If Alvarez, whose team never sought an exception from the IBF to do a fight other than his mandatory defense, does not face Derevyanchenko next he will be stripped of that 160-pound belt. Alvarez has given up belts in the past but has spoken openly in recent months about his desire to become the undisputed middleweight champion by holding all four major belts at the same time.

If the fight between Alvarez and Derevyanchenko, which has been in serious talks only in recent days, according to the sources, is made it would take place in the fourth quarter.

Alvarez, 28, of Mexico, announced last week that he would postpone his originally planned date of Sept. 14 -- which is on Mexican Independence Day weekend, when he usually fights -- saying in a statement that he has a "responsibility of delivering the most exciting and competitive fights possible. That's why Golden Boy and my team have decided to postpone the date in order to do right by my fans by promoting the best fight possible and with the best opponent possible."

DAZN, which signed Alvarez to a five-year, 11-fight, $365 million deal last fall, wants Alvarez to fight former unified champion Gennady Golovkin, for the third time. DAZN signed Golovkin to a six-fight, nine-figure deal earlier this year. But Alvarez, while not opposed to a third fight with Golovkin, does not want to fight him next. DAZN must still approve Derevyanchenko as an opponent.

Derevyanchenko (13-1, 10 KOs), 33, a 2008 Ukrainian Olympian with a massive amateur background, suffered his lone defeat by split decision to Daniel Jacobs for a vacant world title in October in New York.

Jacobs went on to lose a unanimous decision in his next fight to Alvarez in their unification bout May 4 in one of the year's biggest fights. On April 13, Derevyanchenko won a unanimous decision over Jack Culcay in a title elimination bout to become the IBF's mandatory challenger again.

There had been negotiations for Alvarez (52-1-2, 35 KOs) to move up two divisions to light heavyweight to challenge world titlist Sergey Kovalev, but he had a mandatory defense due against Anthony Yarde. With time running short and the sides far apart on money, Kovalev's team instead finalized the bout with Yarde for Aug. 24, leaving Alvarez to either wait to see what happens in that fight and revisit it afterward or move on to another opponent.

Once Canelo is free of the urine fallable benefits of his latest beef and horseradish sandwich, he can get back to fighting and will walk through Dervyanchenko. Yawn

bit early to be saying its already to be announced? from what ive read dazn will only approve this if canelo agrees to fighting ggg a third time right after

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 15:47 bit early to be saying its already to be announced? from what ive read dazn will only approve this if canelo agrees to fighting ggg a third time right after

Pretty sure he did not say it had been announced

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 12:32 There is a good chance that unified middleweight world champion Canelo Alvarez's next fight will be against Sergey Derevyanchenko, one of his mandatory challengers.

tobyh5 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 16:07

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 15:47 bit early to be saying its already to be announced? from what ive read dazn will only approve this if canelo agrees to fighting ggg a third time right after

Pretty sure he did not say it had been announced

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 12:32 There is a good chance that unified middleweight world champion Canelo Alvarez's next fight will be against Sergey Derevyanchenko, one of his mandatory challengers.

never said he did my man

he said tba though. right there in the thread title. doesnt that usually mean to be announced

i mean, i dunno, that makes it seem as if its done and they are just waiting to announce it

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 15:47 bit early to be saying its already to be announced? from what ive read dazn will only approve this if canelo agrees to fighting ggg a third time right after

When Golovkin will be even older.

Least interesting of all rumored fights, cheapest for dazn.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 16:38 Least interesting of all rumored fights, cheapest for dazn.

He’s taking it if it means keeping the IBF. I think they’re going this way because the ‘other’ fights aren’t being made and time is tissue.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 16:54

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 16:38 Least interesting of all rumored fights, cheapest for dazn.

He’s taking it if it means keeping the IBF. I think they’re going this way because the ‘other’ fights aren’t being made and time is tissue.

Could be, don't rule out dazn. Though I haven't bothered checking sources.

Canelo no longer has to face GGG after Derevyanchenko fight

Saul Canelo Alvarez’s approval by DAZN for his next fight against his IBF mandatory challenger Sergiy Derevyanchenko is no longer tied to a trilogy match against Gennady Golovkin, according to Mike Coppinger. IBF/WBA/WBC middleweight champion Canelo can now take the fight against Derevyanchenko (13-1, 10 KOs) without the approval of the contest being tied to a third match against GGG by DAZN.

Canelo-Derevyanchenko not a done deal yet

Canelo vs. Derevyanchenko still isn’t official. Until it’s a done deal, it’s always possible that Canelo and his promoters at Golden Boy Promotions could give up on the negotiations and head in another direction. Maybe Canelo will face Derevyanchenko, maybe not, but either way, he’ll wind up participating in an event against a name fighter that will be memorable for the fans.

Canelo gives the impression that he’s bored with Golovkin, and would rather accept less money than to get tied down wasting his best years fighting a guy that looks from all appearances to be just looking to cash out.

That’s the perception a lot of boxing fans now have about Golovkin. He’s no longer fighting the best, and just chasing the Canelo fight for a payday. More importantly, GGG isn’t a world champion, and Canelo asked him to capture a world title before he came back looking for a third fight. Not only did GGG not show a willingness to follow Canelo’s advice to him, he selected a bottom ranked ranked contender in 35-year-old Steve Rolls, who was ranked #15 with the World Boxing Council. Golovkin’s decision not to take the easy path against Rolls instead of doing the hard work of fighting for a world title against WBO champion Demetrius Andrade has led to him not getting the Canelo fight.

Golovkin failed to win a world title like Canelo asked him to do

In hindsight, GGG might have done thing differently, and did what Canelo asked him. It’s too late now. Canelo has moved on. The superstar Canelo won’t exhaust his batteries throwing a bone to a stubborn former world champion, who seems have a sense of entitlement when it comes to getting another fight with him.

Canelo is the best, and that’s a fight will pay Golovkin a massive amount of money where losing doesn’t matter. Just getting the fight with Canelo would be a victory for Golovkin.

Canelo already had his pivotal battle against GGG last September, and he beat him by a clear 12 round decision. A third fight would be redundant, and a pointless waste of time, especially with GGG just a contender and not a world champion. The superstar Canelo would be doing GGG a favor by fighting him again, because it would give him another payday. It’s believed that Canelo doesn’t want to help GGG again, and be bitten on the hand by the fighter that he’s feeding in terms of dealing with trash talk.

That’s the fight that the streaming network DAZN reportedly wanted to see Canelo make after he made a mandatory defense of his International Boxing Federation title, but now he no longer must do that. The IBF recently ordered Canelo to defend his title against Derevyanchenko.

Canelo reportedly to take less than his $35 million guarantee for Derevyanchenko fight

“As part of GGG no longer being tied to Derevyanchenko approval, industry sources say Canelo Alvarez agreed to take less money than his guaranteed $35 million from DAZN,” said @MikeCoppinger.

The downside of Golovkin not being a part of the Derevyanchenko approval process, is Canelo will be making less money for this fight than the guaranteed $35 million, according to Coppinger. Just how much less is unclear.

If Canelo is going to get considerably less money for fighting Derevyanchenko without GGG being part of the approval process, then that’s obviously a negative. At least Canelo can fight who he wants after he gets the Derevyanchenko fight out of the way instead of being stuck having to fight Golovkin again.

Whatever money Canelo gets for the Derevyanchenko fight, he’ll likely make great money when/if he faces WBO light heavyweight champion Sergey Kovalev. That’s a fight that could take place later this year. Whether Canelo will still want the fight with Sergey by that point is unknown. Kovalev has a title defense coming up next month against Anthony Yarde on August 24 in Russia, and it’s not certain that he’ll win that fight.

“Before approving Derevyanchenko as an opponent for Canelo’s next fight October 26th, DAZN boss John Skipper also dropped his request that Canelo guarantee that he’d fight Golovkin in his following fight if Derevyanchenko were approved. Negotiations ongoing this afternoon,” said @idecboxing.

Canelo doesn’t want to vacate IBF title

Canelo is a machine built for war, and he’s decided to not to give up his IBF title in order to take more lucrative fights that would make DAZN happy. When Canelo speaks about wanting to face the best, you must assume now that he’s serious. He wants to unify the middleweight division, and he’s not going to sacrifice his titles in order to avoid fighting mandatory challengers that bring nothing to the table.

Derevyanchenko, 33, fits that category. He’s not popular, and he’s already been beaten by former Canelo victim Daniel Jacobs. Moreover, Derevyanchenko almost lost his last fight to Jack Culcay last April. The IBF unquestionably sees something in Derevyanchenko, because they keep putting him in position to fight for world titles. He just lost to Jacobs last October in fighting for the vacant IBF middleweight title, and now he’s being given another shot.

You’ve got to admire Canelo for wanting to take this fight, because he would be better off vacating the IBF title, and focus instead on fighting guys the U.S boxing public wants to see him face, There’s no one at this time clamoring to see Canelo fight Derevyanchenko. It’s really a useless fight for Canelo, and the only thing he can hope to accomplish is to hold onto his IBF title. Beating Derevyanchenko won’t lead to Canelo being praised, because Jacobs already defeated the Ukrainian last year. The IBF is giving Derevyanchenko repeated chances, and one has to wonder how much longer they’re going to do this. If Derevyanchenko gets beaten every time, when will the IBF let other contenders compete for the belt?

There are bigger fights for Canelo

Canelo wants to participate in events larger than himself, and have experiences that he can remember before he retires one day. Fighters have a short span of time to compete, which makes it important for them to seek out the best competition. While some boxing fans would like to see Canelo fight Golovkin repeatedly for the remainder of his career, he doesn’t wish to. He wants to be involved with other important fights.

Golovkin is already in Canelo’s rearview mirror now, having lost to him last September. The victor moves on while the loser picks up the pieces, fighting whoever. GGG has already shown the direction he wants to take his career by fighting Steve Rolls last June. One can expect more of the same from GGG. Coming events cast their shadows before. Golovkin can lament his failure from his two fights with Canelo, and possibly learn from his experiences. GGG was given a second chance against Canelo, and he still couldn’t beat him. At 37, GGG only has a small handful of time left in his career. He shouldn’t waste it fighting lesser opposition, and he should give up on chasing Canelo. It’s a bad look on his part.

Alvarez has been stripped of his IBF title. De la Hoya called it an insult to boxing fans. As if boxing fans give a fcuk about how many worthless titles are bestowed upon the highest paid fighter in the sport.

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 04:37 Alvarez has been stripped of his IBF title. De la Hoya called it an insult to boxing fans. As if boxing fans give a fcuk about how many worthless titles are bestowed upon the highest paid fighter in the sport.

Yeh, said he was gonna take legal action?

I don't get how the same boxer become mandatory for the same belt twice in a year.. How does that make sense?

He's only won 1 fight since he lost to Jacobs.

Then mind you, we've had the WBC ad Stiverne situation.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 04:43 I don't get how the same boxer become mandatory for the same belt twice in a year.. How does that make sense?

He's only won 1 fight since he lost to Jacobs.

Then mind you, we've had the WBC ad Stiverne situation.

If you're number one with the IBF they keep you there until you lose outside of a title fight—it's why those 3 South African chaps had a four year round robin for the super-feather title ten-fifteen years back.

They've been like this since getting busted by the FBI for selling ratings years back; now they just magically rank their current favourite promoter's fighter number one forever unless he gets beat in a non-title fight, so the guys whose brown envelopes clear get title shot after title shot. Happened loads of times, including on these shores (Clinton Woods, Stuart Hall etc etc.).

Datsue wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 07:17

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 04:43 I don't get how the same boxer become mandatory for the same belt twice in a year.. How does that make sense?

He's only won 1 fight since he lost to Jacobs.

Then mind you, we've had the WBC ad Stiverne situation.

If you're number one with the IBF they keep you there until you lose outside of a title fight—it's why those 3 South African chaps had a four year round robin for the super-feather title ten-fifteen years back.

Which? Also Richard Commey remained #1 as well at lightweight.. Until he finally won.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 09:11

Datsue wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 07:17

If you're number one with the IBF they keep you there until you lose outside of a title fight—it's why those 3 South African chaps had a four year round robin for the super-feather title ten-fifteen years back.

Which? Also Richard Commey remained #1 as well at lightweight.. Until he finally won.

Fana, Klassen and Baloyi.

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 10:12

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 09:11

Which? Also Richard Commey remained #1 as well at lightweight.. Until he finally won.

Fana, Klassen and Baloyi.

Fana rimngs a bell.. Fought Flanagan