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Rock-em sock-em robots came to life, as Adam Kownacki and Chris Arreola combined to land a CompuBox heavyweight record 667 punches and combined to throw a CompuBox heavyweight record 2172 punches.

The previous combined record for landed was 650 by David Izon & David Tua. The previous record for combined thrown was 1730 by Ike Ibeabuchi & David Tua.

Kownacki landed an avg. of 31 of 87 punches per round, while Arreola landed an avg. of 25 of 94 punches per round. The CompuBox heavyweight avg. is 15 landed/45 thrown per round.

I’m all for record breakers but this is the type of fight where it may need to stop before the 12 rounds are up. Arreola was a tough SOB.

Very interesting. They both look woefully out of shape yet they are breaking punches thrown records. I wonder if they don’t have as many fast twitch fibres which allows them to use their aerobic system over their anaerobic more than other athletes. Hence why they have dad type bodies.

Just a comment, this is not my area of expertise.

lazboy wrote: ↑04 Aug 2019, 06:30 Very interesting. They both look woefully out of shape yet they are breaking punches thrown records. I wonder if they don’t have as many fast twitch fibres which allows them to use their aerobic system over their anaerobic more than other athletes. Hence why they have dad type bodies.

Just a comment, this is not my area of expertise.

That’s because they weren’t really boxing. They just stood in front of each other and swung leather. If you’re gonna box and move then you’d land way less.

Kow said in front of Wilder after the bout he had to work on everything especially head movement. Wilder probably licking his lips. Easy defence for him. An opponent who doesn’t move their head is like an automatic win for him.

He’ll end up the same as Szpilka if/when they fight.

TBF, despite being fatties Kownacki and Arreola both have shown decent stamina compared to other hws. I think Arreola set a Compubox record or ccame close to it for punches thrown vs Manuel Quezada too. Basically if you have a naturally good engine and train, you can still have a decent gas tank even if you eat enough to be flabby. It doesn't remove all the stamina in your system.

TBH though, these typees of ultra high volume fights can often not be that great, because each punch loses its significance and there are really no flows in action or dramatic moments when it's all the same and the guys cant hurt each other.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Aug 2019, 12:36 TBF, despite being fatties Kownacki and Arreola both have shown decent stamina compared to other hws. I think Arreola set a Compubox record or ccame close to it for punches thrown vs Manuel Quezada too. Basically if you have a naturally good engine and train, you can still have a decent gas tank even if you eat enough to be flabby. It doesn't remove all the stamina in your system.

TBH though, these typees of ultra high volume fights can often not be that great, because each punch loses its significance and there are really no flows in action or dramatic moments when it's all the same and the guys cant hurt each other.

They should try knocking each other out instead of just ‘landing punches’.. especially when it’s fights like this where they land hundreds of punches.

In the long term, Wilder-Stiverne 1 is worse than the rematch.

lazboy wrote: ↑04 Aug 2019, 06:30 Very interesting. They both look woefully out of shape yet they are breaking punches thrown records. I wonder if they don’t have as many fast twitch fibres which allows them to use their aerobic system over their anaerobic more than other athletes. Hence why they have dad type bodies.

Just a comment, this is not my area of expertise.

A lot of high volume guys throw arm punches and don't put their rotation,snap, or body into shots, which helps them throw more. If you load up on punches it's much harder to sustain your output and also to put multipunch combos together. Kownacki especially was throwing shots last night with absolutely no body in them, just arm.

Pretty wild little slugfest. I thought somebody would've gotten stopped in this, but they held up well. Just stayed in close, blocking and countering each other all night. Good fight.

It was one of those fights were they got used to each others shots and couldn't hurt the other

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Aug 2019, 13:21 It was one of those fights were they got used to each others shots and couldn't hurt the other

Exactly that. They settled in and that was it. Every round was the same. There was no real ‘explosive’ moments in the fight.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Aug 2019, 13:25

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Aug 2019, 13:21 It was one of those fights were they got used to each others shots and couldn't hurt the other

Exactly that. They settled in and that was it. Every round was the same. There was no real ‘explosive’ moments in the fight.

Arreola got wobbled briefly in the 3rd, but it didn't last long.

The original post neglects to mention that, in this fight, Arreola also broke the compubox record for most punches thrown by a heavyweight in a fight with 1125.

Lackeos wrote: ↑04 Aug 2019, 14:42 The original post neglects to mention that, in this fight, Arreola also broke the compubox record for most punches thrown by a heavyweight in a fight with 1125.

Yh. We all givin Kow credit. If it wasn’t for Arreola this wouldn’t have hapoened

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Aug 2019, 14:43

Lackeos wrote: ↑04 Aug 2019, 14:42 The original post neglects to mention that, in this fight, Arreola also broke the compubox record for most punches thrown by a heavyweight in a fight with 1125.

Yh. We all givin Kow credit. If it wasn’t for Arreola this wouldn’t have hapoened

Arreola was in great shape, the best I've ever seen him. Most gentlemanly too. Hope he doesn't retire now.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Aug 2019, 12:41

lazboy wrote: ↑04 Aug 2019, 06:30 Very interesting. They both look woefully out of shape yet they are breaking punches thrown records. I wonder if they don’t have as many fast twitch fibres which allows them to use their aerobic system over their anaerobic more than other athletes. Hence why they have dad type bodies.

Just a comment, this is not my area of expertise.

A lot of high volume guys throw arm punches and don't put their rotation,snap, or body into shots, which helps them throw more. If you load up on punches it's much harder to sustain your output and also to put multipunch combos together. Kownacki especially was throwing shots last night with absolutely no body in them, just arm.

Completely agree. Tbh I haven’t watched the fight yet. As well as not putting your body in it there’s some science about throwing slower punches that use the aerobic system which uses slow twitch fibres rather than faster punches which use anaerobic. Like jogging v sprinting.

They weren't proper punches. 2 fat slobs pawing at each other 12 rounds. Not sure how i managed to watch it until the end, wish i turned it off and went to bed.

Ricky wrote: ↑04 Aug 2019, 20:17 They weren't proper punches. 2 fat slobs pawing at each other 12 rounds. Not sure how i managed to watch it until the end, wish i turned it off and went to bed.

It also makes it easier to rack up heaps of punches if your opponent just stands there waiting to be hit. I've never seen that level of hitability from both fighters at that level before. It's the sort of thing you see in corporate fights as they call them in my country. I was watching it aghast thinking " how do both of these guys just have zero defence, zero"

Most people were disappointed by Kow but I was impressed -- he didn't back down or really get rocked the whole fight. Arreola connected with good shots and Kow would just shrug them off.

Arreola was getting rocked and backed down, and had to hold a lot. They were trading but Kow was consistently the agressor.

Gotta credit Kow's chin for sure. Power though? Arreola had a rock solid chin until Vitali, and even after it was usually reliable. So it's still a pretty tough thing to KO Arreola.

But when you hit him 369 times, you'd think if you had real HW KO power, he'd be on the canvas at least once.

So Kow's chin gets MAJOR credit, but his power is questionable at the highest level, while his output is pretty insane.

lazboy wrote: ↑04 Aug 2019, 18:19

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Aug 2019, 12:41

A lot of high volume guys throw arm punches and don't put their rotation,snap, or body into shots, which helps them throw more. If you load up on punches it's much harder to sustain your output and also to put multipunch combos together. Kownacki especially was throwing shots last night with absolutely no body in them, just arm.

Completely agree. Tbh I haven’t watched the fight yet. As well as not putting your body in it there’s some science about throwing slower punches that use the aerobic system which uses slow twitch fibres rather than faster punches which use anaerobic. Like jogging v sprinting.

Holyfield said something along those lines. Throw a punch at a time rather than fast combinations, because those fast combos will tire you out quicker.

Dixonian wrote: ↑06 Aug 2019, 08:58

lazboy wrote: ↑04 Aug 2019, 18:19

Completely agree. Tbh I haven’t watched the fight yet. As well as not putting your body in it there’s some science about throwing slower punches that use the aerobic system which uses slow twitch fibres rather than faster punches which use anaerobic. Like jogging v sprinting.

Holyfield said something along those lines. Throw a punch at a time rather than fast combinations, because those fast combos will tire you out quicker.

He knew his stuff. Real skill, the real deal.

I’ve watched highlights and Kownaki is not exactly throwing with devastating speed. Makes sense.