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Lackeos wrote: ↑05 Sep 2019, 02:12 -I don't think Arum wants to risk the possibility of Lomachenko losing to Pacquiao.
-Pacquiao doesn't need to fight Lomachenko to make money. He could do that paired with anybody.
--Lomachenko isn't a blockbuster draw right now, so it's unlikely that a Pacquiao - Lomachenko pairing would make way more money than a typical Pacquiao fight.
-It's better for Lomachenko's hype / legacy / drawing power if he just unifies the lightweight division and attains undisputed status. He's literally only one fight away from possessing all of the big 4 belts at lightweight. I'm not trying to say that undisputed status has turned Crawford and Usyk into 8-figure cash cows, but it's a rare accomplishment that can only really help. Not to mention, if Lomachenko became undisputed at 135 and followed that up with becoming undisputed at 140, then he'd be a worldwide legend, so that's a good goal to try for.
-There's a few fighters out there with recent, official wins over Pacquiao, like Timothy Bradley and Jeff Horn. Beating Pacquiao has not translated to increased drawing power for any of the fighters who have beaten him, and that's increasingly true as he gets older.
-Lomachenko really isn't rushing to compete at 147, nor at 140. If he was, you'd be able to show me an example of him fighting at these weights. It's not something he does. 135 is the division his handlers want to campaign him at right now.
-When trying to become a multi-multi-weight champ like Mayweather, Pacquiao, SRL, Hearns, and DLH; it's a wise strategy not to skip around. Just do what you're gonna do at one weight division, then move-up and leave behind the previous division forever. Pacquiao skipped over the 140 division as a gimmick, and unfortunately never came back to obtain a title there, and that's why he's an 8-division champ instead of 9-division. I would've preferred if he took the divisions one-by-one instead of skipping over 140, and I think the same about the prospect of Lomachenko skipping 140.

This question is sort of like asking why Mayweather didn't fight Golovkin nor Sergio Martinez at 160. Because... he'd rather take-on smart match-ups that are the right fit instead of flushing away everything to take-on an extraordinarily risky, maybe even unwinnable match-up.

Related, this article depicts Vasyl's and Arum's reactions to the prospect of a Vasyl - Pacquiao pairing. Vasyl basically laughed it off as a silly suggestion. Paraphrasing Arum, he spun it as Vasyl aspires to be like Pacquiao, but that's still something we're not done building up to.
https://www.ibtimes.com/vasyl-lomachenk ... ks-2820973

Evander wrote: ↑05 Sep 2019, 02:26 What are you babbling about man just answer the question,

Lackeos wrote: ↑05 Sep 2019, 02:28

Evander wrote: ↑05 Sep 2019, 02:26 What are you babbling about man just answer the question,

I did, so you're welcome.

Evander wrote: ↑05 Sep 2019, 02:47

Lackeos wrote: ↑05 Sep 2019, 02:28
I did, so you're welcome.

You know asking Lomachenko to move up is a massive risk.

sturm vogel wrote: ↑04 Sep 2019, 22:26 Because Loma is not a welterweight and never will be unless he took PEDs but that won't be possible because his type is not allowed to used PEDs in boxing.

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑05 Sep 2019, 06:32

sturm vogel wrote: ↑04 Sep 2019, 22:26 Because Loma is not a welterweight and never will be unless he took PEDs but that won't be possible because his type is not allowed to used PEDs in boxing.

You have to have a certain body type to take drugs? Eh?

RichieKnightmare wrote: ↑05 Sep 2019, 05:38 Canelo should cut some weight, Loma bulk up. Then we'd have a nice little fight at super welter/light middle...

Lackeos wrote: ↑05 Sep 2019, 02:12 -I don't think Arum wants to risk the possibility of Lomachenko losing to Pacquiao.
-Pacquiao doesn't need to fight Lomachenko to make money. He could do that paired with anybody.
--Lomachenko isn't a blockbuster draw right now, so it's unlikely that a Pacquiao - Lomachenko pairing would make way more money than a typical Pacquiao fight.
-It's better for Lomachenko's hype / legacy / drawing power if he just unifies the lightweight division and attains undisputed status. He's literally only one fight away from possessing all of the big 4 belts at lightweight. I'm not trying to say that undisputed status has turned Crawford and Usyk into 8-figure cash cows, but it's a rare accomplishment that can only really help. Not to mention, if Lomachenko became undisputed at 135 and followed that up with becoming undisputed at 140, then he'd be a worldwide legend, so that's a good goal to try for.
-There's a few fighters out there with recent, official wins over Pacquiao, like Timothy Bradley and Jeff Horn. Beating Pacquiao has not translated to increased drawing power for any of the fighters who have beaten him, and that's increasingly true as he gets older.
-Lomachenko really isn't rushing to compete at 147, nor at 140. If he was, you'd be able to show me an example of him fighting at these weights. It's not something he does. 135 is the division his handlers want to campaign him at right now.
-When trying to become a multi-multi-weight champ like Mayweather, Pacquiao, SRL, Hearns, and DLH; it's a wise strategy not to skip around. Just do what you're gonna do at one weight division, then move-up and leave behind the previous division forever. Pacquiao skipped over the 140 division as a gimmick, and unfortunately never came back to obtain a title there, and that's why he's an 8-division champ instead of 9-division. I would've preferred if he took the divisions one-by-one instead of skipping over 140, and I think the same about the prospect of Lomachenko skipping 140.

This question is sort of like asking why Mayweather didn't fight Golovkin nor Sergio Martinez at 160. Because... he'd rather take-on smart match-ups that are the right fit instead of flushing away everything to take-on an extraordinarily risky, maybe even unwinnable match-up.

Related, this article depicts Vasyl's and Arum's reactions to the prospect of a Vasyl - Pacquiao pairing. Vasyl basically laughed it off as a silly suggestion. Paraphrasing Arum, he spun it as Vasyl aspires to be like Pacquiao, but that's still something we're not done building up to.
https://www.ibtimes.com/vasyl-lomachenk ... ks-2820973

Personally, I think a more realistic match-up weight-wise might be Lomachenko - Garcia. It's just a shame that Garcia doesn't have the momentum to sell that fight right now. If Garcia were sitting at 135 or 140 with some belts and a win streak, the conditions would be perfect for this match-up.

dagilechia wrote: ↑05 Sep 2019, 08:19 I'd prefer to see Inoue going some weights up, Loma going down, and the Lomachenko vs Inoue fight in 2021, at feather or super feather.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑05 Sep 2019, 11:06 Loma would get starched

gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Sep 2019, 11:09

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑05 Sep 2019, 11:06 Loma would get starched

By the Pac who's scored 1 KO win in the last decade? Yeah...I doubt it.

gregregegg wrote: ↑04 Sep 2019, 21:45 Pac cuts basically no water for welter, Loma cuts basically no water for lightweight. That's still a big size difference.
As for height advantage I'd love to see them next to each other. I think Lomas height is over listed in boxrec, but I don't know.
Great fight if they were a bit closer in weight. Mabey another 2 years of Pac aging Loma could at 147 but currently Pac too strong.

squiggy wrote: ↑05 Sep 2019, 18:36 I think Pacquiao's career has really wacked out people's ideas about how much we can reasonably expect continued dominance over numerous weight classes. "If that guy's really good I wanna see him beat Crawford and Spence, then Williams and Hurd, then Golovkin and Alvarez, then Callum Smith, then Gvozdyk and Kovalev." I mean, come on.