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The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 12 Sep 2019, 11:43
by gilgamesh
So I saw this now. His corner saying he was concussed from Round 3 onward. Very plausible, but still it strikes me as a "The Hits just keep on coming" type situation.
One excuse after another. How many have there been now?
Not a rhetorical question. I'm looking for actual numbers here
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 12 Sep 2019, 12:39
by Enlightened-One
The variety and sheer volume of theories attempting to excuse Anthony Joshua’s loss, not just those conveyed by Team AJ, but also by his loyal legion of die-hard fans, is really quite extraordinary.
Even a nerd like myself hasn’t got enough time on their hands to perform the sort of research required to ascertain a precise numerical total excuses figure!
This type of conduct will inevitably persuade neutrals to consider siding with the Mexican-American, because it’s kind of challenging to support those that portray themselves as sore losers.
For all I know, AJ may prove himself capable of avenging his sole loss and recapture his titles, but I’ll probably be cheering for Ruiz Jr. to once again defy the betting odds to prove that his title-winning victory wasn’t merely a fluke.
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 12 Sep 2019, 13:35
by oogiebe
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Sep 2019, 12:39
The variety and sheer volume of theories attempting to excuse Anthony Joshua’s loss, not just those conveyed by Team AJ, but also by his loyal legion of die-hard fans, is really quite extraordinary.
Even a nerd like myself hasn’t got enough time on their hands to perform the sort of research required to ascertain a precise numerical total excuses figure!
This type of conduct will inevitably persuade neutrals to consider siding with the Mexican-American, because it’s kind of challenging to support those that portray themselves as sore losers.
For all I know, AJ may prove himself capable of avenging his sole loss and recapture his titles, but I’ll probably be cheering for Ruiz Jr. to once again defy the betting odds to prove that his title-winning victory wasn’t merely a fluke.
LOL!!!
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 12 Sep 2019, 15:40
by oogiebe
Here's another one just out from Rob M. Not really an excuse, but a 'tidbit.'
Anthony Joshua's trainer, Rob McCracken, admits that he realized his boxer was concussed after getting dropped twice in the third round of his TKO defeat to Andy Ruiz back on June 1 at Madison Square Garden in New York City.
Should McCracken have pulled AJ out after realizing he was concussed? Isn't fighter safety the number one priority?
From Boxing Scene .com
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 12 Sep 2019, 16:03
by gilgamesh
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Sep 2019, 15:40
Here's another one just out from Rob M. Not really an excuse, but a 'tidbit.'
Anthony Joshua's trainer, Rob McCracken, admits that he realized his boxer was concussed after getting dropped twice in the third round of his TKO defeat to Andy Ruiz back on June 1 at Madison Square Garden in New York City.
Should McCracken have pulled AJ out after realizing he was concussed? Isn't fighter safety the number one priority?
From Boxing Scene .com
Yeah that was the one that made me make this thread. Like just "Jeez when are they gonna stop already with this"
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 12 Sep 2019, 16:05
by oogiebe
gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Sep 2019, 16:03
oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Sep 2019, 15:40
Here's another one just out from Rob M. Not really an excuse, but a 'tidbit.'
Anthony Joshua's trainer, Rob McCracken, admits that he realized his boxer was concussed after getting dropped twice in the third round of his TKO defeat to Andy Ruiz back on June 1 at Madison Square Garden in New York City.
Should McCracken have pulled AJ out after realizing he was concussed? Isn't fighter safety the number one priority?
From Boxing Scene .com
Yeah that was the one that made me make this thread. Like just "Jeez when are they gonna stop already with this"
It doesn't help AJ's image. I bet it doesn't help his confidence either. SMH.
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 12 Sep 2019, 17:54
by keithmoonhangover
gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Sep 2019, 11:43
So I saw this now. His corner saying he was concussed from Round 3 onward. Very plausible, but still it strikes me as a "The Hits just keep on coming" type situation.
One excuse after another. How many have there been now?
Not a rhetorical question. I'm looking for actual numbers here
They're just trying to justify what happened. Every great boxer that lost did it. Leonard, Duran, Tyson, Holyfield, Jack Johnson, Dempsey, Liston etc etc.
I've been thinking about it this week. If AJ and/or his team don't justify the loss, then subconsciously saying that if all things are equal, then the result of the rematch will be the same.
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 12 Sep 2019, 18:09
by oogiebe
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑12 Sep 2019, 17:54
gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Sep 2019, 11:43
So I saw this now. His corner saying he was concussed from Round 3 onward. Very plausible, but still it strikes me as a "The Hits just keep on coming" type situation.
One excuse after another. How many have there been now?
Not a rhetorical question. I'm looking for actual numbers here
They're just trying to justify what happened. Every great boxer that lost did it. Leonard, Duran, Tyson, Holyfield, Jack Johnson, Dempsey, Liston etc etc.
I've been thinking about it this week. If AJ and/or his team don't justify the loss, then subconsciously saying that if all things are equal, then the result of the rematch will be the same.
Maybe, but one reason would do. Not so many.
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 12 Sep 2019, 20:37
by Bandog
I agree that there has been a LOT of excuses from AJ and his team. Too anxious, took him lightly, etc. Of course he probably had a concussion! If you get thumped up side the head in the temple, when not expecting it by a big dude, it will probably happen.
It happens more than we probably know. I think Fury had a concussion too, and is the reason he took time off and is fighting tomato cans to recover before taking on Wilder again. Smart move on his part.
AJ is talented enough though to box smart and beat Ruiz fairy easily. Will his current mental state allow that to happen though is the big question mark. Will Ruiz's over-confidence lead to his demise? We'll see. 50-50 fight.
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 12 Sep 2019, 20:49
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Things happen for lots of reasons
Was aj overconfident? Of course
Does he gas easily? You bet
Did he get hurt going for the kill and not recover? Yup
Was he hurt in sparring and not right? Maybe
Did he not had ped exemptions and was flat? I doubt it. He looked damn good until he got caught
Will it happen again? Probably not.
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 12 Sep 2019, 23:18
by margaret thatcher
Guy gets dropped twice and badly hurt by punches to the head in round 3. Someone says he thinks guy mayve had concussion from those punches.
Shock gasp. Huge excuse right, not just a qualified statement about something that easily couldve been true. And of course the knockdowns changed the fight, thats just obvious.
Dont see whats so controversial or LOL about any of that. There's a lot to pick out from what's been said about what happened but this doesn't really seem like one of them. There is nothing here saying it was not a legit win, that the concussion was inflicted illegally , etc.
What's the issue?
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 12 Sep 2019, 23:23
by boxing_rocks
Yeah, there are too many excuses, but a God-like athlete loosing to a short fat guy does ask for explanations. I think it will be all over after Joshua handily beats Ruiz in the rematch.
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 13 Sep 2019, 04:27
by cormack
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑12 Sep 2019, 23:23
Yeah, there are too many excuses, but a God-like athlete loosing to a short fat guy does ask for explanations. I think it will be all over after Joshua handily beats Ruiz in the rematch.
Couldnt have put it better myself !
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 13 Sep 2019, 06:10
by keirw
From what I can gather they have been trying to piece together what went wrong for him and see it as a series of events that changed the direction of the fight which went as follows:
Why was he so poor from midway through the third round on wards? Because he was caught with a shot which likely caused cuncussion.
Why did he get caught with that shot? Because he rushed in to finish his opponent leaving himself open.
Why did he believe he could finish him so early in the fight?
Because he didn't feel Ruiz was as dangerous as he really was.
Why did he not think he was that dangerous?
Beacause all the Wilder/Fury conversations before the fight imbedded the belief that the Ruiz fight was a forgone conclusion into his subconscious.
That isn't a series of excuses, just a description of what went wrong. Not sure what the issue is with them pointing these things out.
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 13 Sep 2019, 06:30
by fanman
agree keirw.
in the rematch aj wont be recklessly swinging for the fences, and will respect ruiz a lot more.
will probably try to jab him like parker.
if ruiz can drag him into another dog fight, we'll see ...
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 13 Sep 2019, 07:18
by keirw
fanman wrote: ↑13 Sep 2019, 06:30
agree keirw.
in the rematch aj wont be recklessly swinging for the fences, and will respect ruiz a lot more.
will probably try to jab him like parker.
if ruiz can drag him into another dog fight, we'll see ...
Yeah, Joshua and his team knowing what went wrong doesn't guarantee they will get it right second time.
It might just be that Ruiz's style is kryptonite to Joshua.
A shorter man who dips low to make himself an even smaller target, with good footwork and fast hands who is good on the inside and throws punches from unconventional angles?
Not someone you would expect his matchmakers to seek out for an easy fight.
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 13 Sep 2019, 07:20
by margaret thatcher
keirw wrote: ↑13 Sep 2019, 06:10
From what I can gather they have been trying to piece together what went wrong for him and see it as a series of events that changed the direction of the fight which went as follows:
Why was he so poor from midway through the third round on wards? Because he was caught with a shot which likely caused cuncussion.
Why did he get caught with that shot? Because he rushed in to finish his opponent leaving himself open.
Why did he believe he could finish him so early in the fight?
Because he didn't feel Ruiz was as dangerous as he really was.
Why did he not think he was that dangerous?
Beacause all the Wilder/Fury conversations before the fight imbedded the belief that the Ruiz fight was a forgone conclusion into his subconscious.
That isn't a series of excuses, just a description of what went wrong. Not sure what the issue is with them pointing these things out.
Agree, some people love to just cry excuse at anything. And I mean who the hell actually thinks it's unreasonable to suggest that AJ got a concussion? Did they not watch the fight? It's not like his trainer is saying it was done illegally or by anything other than punches. It's just part of why the fight turned and played out like it did.
But waaaah!! Excuse! Excuse!!!
What exactly is the problem?
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 13 Sep 2019, 07:51
by Nondescript
gilgamesh wrote: ↑12 Sep 2019, 11:43
So I saw this now. His corner saying he was concussed from Round 3 onward. Very plausible, but still it strikes me as a "The Hits just keep on coming" type situation.
One excuse after another. How many have there been now?
Not a rhetorical question. I'm looking for actual numbers here
Yeah. I'm pretty sure concussion can be the result of being punched in the head which in itself is a by-product of boxing. I could be wrong though
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 13 Sep 2019, 08:19
by danconnollyeire
I mean, this whole 'concussed' thing started with Eddie Hearn...
It's boxing... You get hit on the head. That causes concussion... it's how you deal with that, that comes from experience, a cool head etc. One solution is to not get hit on the head so easily
"A concussion is a mild traumatic brain injury (TBI). It can occur after an impact to your head or after a whiplash-type injury that causes your head and brain to shake quickly back and forth. A concussion results in an altered mental state that may include becoming unconscious"
Name me a boxer who hasn't suffered from concussion? Mayweather probably did vs Mosely. Difference is he didn't fall apart like a cheap suit
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 13 Sep 2019, 08:21
by danconnollyeire
keirw wrote: ↑13 Sep 2019, 07:18
fanman wrote: ↑13 Sep 2019, 06:30
agree keirw.
in the rematch aj wont be recklessly swinging for the fences, and will respect ruiz a lot more.
will probably try to jab him like parker.
if ruiz can drag him into another dog fight, we'll see ...
Yeah, Joshua and his team knowing what went wrong doesn't guarantee they will get it right second time.
It might just be that Ruiz's style is kryptonite to Joshua.
A shorter man who dips low to make himself an even smaller target, with good footwork and fast hands who is good on the inside and throws punches from unconventional angles?
Not someone you would expect his matchmakers to seek out for an easy fight.
I've heard this a few times. It's not true. AJ nearly KOd him round three...
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 13 Sep 2019, 09:38
by keirw
danconnollyeire wrote: ↑13 Sep 2019, 08:21
keirw wrote: ↑13 Sep 2019, 07:18
Yeah, Joshua and his team knowing what went wrong doesn't guarantee they will get it right second time.
It might just be that Ruiz's style is kryptonite to Joshua.
A shorter man who dips low to make himself an even smaller target, with good footwork and fast hands who is good on the inside and throws punches from unconventional angles?
Not someone you would expect his matchmakers to seek out for an easy fight.
I've heard this a few times. It's not true. AJ nearly KOd him round three...
Ruiz claimed it was a lucky punch
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 13 Sep 2019, 09:50
by Jaywheel
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Sep 2019, 12:39Even a nerd like myself hasn’t got enough time on their hands to perform the sort of research required to ascertain a precise numerical total excuses figure!
Selling yourself short here, we've seen your work.
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 13 Sep 2019, 09:59
by Nondescript
Jaywheel wrote: ↑13 Sep 2019, 09:50
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Sep 2019, 12:39Even a nerd like myself hasn’t got enough time on their hands to perform the sort of research required to ascertain a precise numerical total excuses figure!
Selling yourself short here, we've seen your work.
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 13 Sep 2019, 11:41
by Roars Like Me
Am I to guess that the press or whoever keep grilling him as to why he lost?
I can't imagine he has taken it upon himself to spew this out for nothing?
Of course he should have stayed with his original mantra of 'The best man won', but he hasn't, ho hum.
Re: The Team AJ excuse Factory
Posted: 13 Sep 2019, 11:44
by boxing_rocks
Jaywheel wrote: ↑13 Sep 2019, 09:50
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Sep 2019, 12:39Even a nerd like myself hasn’t got enough time on their hands to perform the sort of research required to ascertain a precise numerical total excuses figure!
Selling yourself short here, we've seen your work.
Nerd is clearly under statement. A nut job would be a much closer definition.