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Posted: **15 Sep 2019, 04:59**

Was shocked by the reaction of Furys Cutsman last night.

Keep the boxer calm no matter how bad it looks right ???

At one point he says "F@ck now we have 2 F#ckin cuts"

Fairplay to Fury for remaining calm when hearing this

Posted: **15 Sep 2019, 08:35**

Who was the cutsman anyhow? Some Mexican fella, whoever it was they're vaseline work was horrendous

Posted: **15 Sep 2019, 09:15**

He looked crap he just wiped the cut and put vaseline on it , i thought the normal way was to hold it closed with a qtip pressed covered in adrenaline on the cut . shocking cuts man

Posted: **15 Sep 2019, 12:15**

handsofstone wrote: ↑15 Sep 2019, 08:35 Who was the cutsman anyhow? Some Mexican fella, whoever it was they're vaseline work was horrendous

jorge capetillo I believe his name is hes done an interview with BT Sport on You Tube and clearly has very little knowledge or experience which is scary really couldve backfired.

Posted: **15 Sep 2019, 12:18**

Lets hope the aftercare is top class as this could be a problem in future if not

As previously with Hatton and the crystalised vaseline within the scare tissue

Posted: **15 Sep 2019, 20:28**

Nothing that can be done about the scar tissue, luckily neither in a dangerous position or serious enough to worry about opening up in the future imo, a good plastic surgeon will do a good job on them and they will be fine with healing time allowed

Regarding the Vaseline crystallising, that’s down to the Dr’s not cleaning the wound out good enough before they stitch up, I always tell the Dr’s to make sure they give it a good clean out as I do myself aswell before with solution and non of my lads I’ve worked with have ever had any problems including jamie Cox with crystallising after I took over looking after his cuts, he had some previous issues from before from it but I managed to look after it from then and tbh he used to cut terribly and reopen back up every time before I joined the team and before i then took over managing him.

Many people can say they can do cuts work and a lot can to a certain degree when they’ve got just one small nick to Deal with standing with a swab soaked in 1000/1 Adrenalin Solution, but it’s a unsung talent in itself if your good at your job tbh, staying calm, composed and prepared are all at the forefront as a cut can happen right on the end of a round and you’ve only got realistically 35-40 seconds to stop the bleeding from sometimes multiple cuts and clean them up and Vaseline them before it’s time for them to stand back up and you out the ring ready for the bell again to start the round

Posted: **16 Sep 2019, 01:34**

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑15 Sep 2019, 20:28 Nothing that can be done about the scar tissue, luckily neither in a dangerous position or serious enough to worry about opening up in the future imo, a good plastic surgeon will do a good job on them and they will be fine with healing time allowed

Regarding the Vaseline crystallising, that’s down to the Dr’s not cleaning the wound out good enough before they stitch up, I always tell the Dr’s to make sure they give it a good clean out as I do myself aswell before with solution and non of my lads I’ve worked with have ever had any problems including jamie Cox with crystallising after I took over looking after his cuts, he had some previous issues from before from it but I managed to look after it from then and tbh he used to cut terribly and reopen back up every time before I joined the team and before i then took over managing him.

Many people can say they can do cuts work and a lot can to a certain degree when they’ve got just one small nick to Deal with standing with a swab soaked in 1000/1 Adrenalin Solution, but it’s a unsung talent in itself if your good at your job tbh, staying calm, composed and prepared are all at the forefront as a cut can happen right on the end of a round and you’ve only got realistically 35-40 seconds to stop the bleeding from sometimes multiple cuts and clean them up and Vaseline them before it’s time for them to stand back up and you out the ring ready for the bell again to start the round

Correct on all points , that cut will not be a future problem , PROVIDING they get a good doctor to treat it and like you say give it time .. Being a good cutsman , is like being a good trainer , or boxer , Its something you LEARN , you learn to be a good trainer , by watching , studying , asking questions , pinching knoledge of others , , a good trainer is like a good thief , they steal all the best stuff of others , , likeweise a good cutsman , ,
I had a lad going into a tile fight once , and i brought a guy in to handle cuts , said to my boxer were doing it its too important to take a chance , , fight night it happenned , a really bad cut probably worse than the one Tyson had , , i said to him , he's cut get ready to do your magic , this guy had a name has a top cutsman thats why i brought him in ,,

What happenned he went to peices , nothing was ready , he had vials he gotr from the chemist , could'nt crack them open he was shaking , , then in the few seconds he had to work , did'nt apply any pressure and could'nt stop the bleeding , , ref and doc said they would give my lad a couple of rnds only , next rnd he applied pressure dipped the q tip and went to apply it without protecting the eye from run off , i grabbed it off him and worked the cut myself , i managed to stop it inbetween rnds ,and in the end it was'nt bleeding , that was the first major cut i had dealt with and believe me it was more luck than anything else i contained it ,

I was lucky that night we went on to win , i refused to pay the peanut , but who and behold people were ringing me up after to do cuts and my answer was always , GET A GOOD CUTMAN i was lucky

A good cutman is like a policeman , you don't know how much you need them until you need them , I don't know anything about this mexican guy , did'nt see the fight , so cannot comment , BUT i will say this , thers a difference between me doing the corner in a 6 rnd local fight and being prepared to do the cut myself , cos theres no money to pay someone , and Tyson Fury going into a fight , with the future and the money in the balance for Tyson , if he does'nt employ and pay the absolute best in the game that he can find , WELL him and his team are a joke

Posted: **16 Sep 2019, 13:58**

100% mate, I’ve had teams say they will do cuts for titles themselves rather than pay someone like myself, it’s a joke, a cutsman is worth as much if not more than the boxer pays his manager and the trainer, and tbh we usually get our hotel, food and travel paid for which usually is covered anyway by the promoter and then the few pound for the cuts the boxer has to pay isn’t big money really at all, one gets you ready for a fight, one makes the arrangements and gets you the fights, but if you cut and badly the only person that can be the difference between winning and a lot of the times what comes with that win and losing and all career plans slide back 12-18 months at least if you even get a chance again, is the cutman, everyone else is pointless so makes perfect sense to invest what in retrospect is a small amount

I’ve seen loads of people call themselves cut men and can do it then fall to pieces, not be able to handle multiple cuts, not have their equipment ready, even have their eye iron that are metal in ice and then place straight onto fighters skin that can cause burns that they are not aware off, absolute jokers and some are so called known/top cuts men, I’m proud to say I’ve never had a fighter in my 12-15 yrs of doing cuts stopped or lose from a cut, and that spans anything from a small hall or leisure centre 4 round all the way through every kind of title fight too world title, a lot is luck but a lot is down to exactly what you said, I’ve studied, practised, picked experienced people like mick Williamson, stitch Duran, Jimmy tibbs brains and watched old school and experienced trainers and never stop learning, developing, asking and trying, when you think you know it all like a lot do in this game then you might aswell give up before you end up ruining someone’s life/career with your ignorance and ego.

If you’ve got a good team it is upto then to arrange who is in the corner with them and cover all corners and situations that may arise, if they don’t then the boxer needs to employ someone that will do that role, a trainers job is not just about looking good on YouTube or social media doing poxy padwork that is irrelevant or getting a fighter fit and in shape, a good trainer makes sure all aspects are taken care of so the fighter can relax and just concentrate on training, making weight and being fight ready and prepared without anything else or other distractions to worry about from start of camp all the way through til after the fight and it’s all over and job done

Posted: **16 Sep 2019, 16:56**

"If you think it's expensive employing a professional try hiring an amateur."

Fury nearly found out how expensive cutting corners can be.

Posted: **16 Sep 2019, 17:10**

Some good insight on this thread, thanks lads

Posted: **16 Sep 2019, 17:18**

Mexican cutsman Jorge Capetillo said: “That was probably the worst cut I've ever seen in my years of doing cuts."

Posted: **16 Sep 2019, 17:19**

I'm more concerned by the work of the ringside doctor. The fight should've been stopped, but Furys the money guy marketed almost exclusively on his lineal nonsense. If Wallin had that cut they stop the fight.

Posted: **16 Sep 2019, 17:21**

Ricky wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 17:19 I'm more concerned by the work of the ringside doctor. The fight should've been stopped, but Furys the money guy marketed almost exclusively on his lineal nonsense. If Wallin had that cut they stop the fight.

I've read that Fury was able to make the ringside physician believe he could see out of the eye when he couldn't. It does bring into question money vs health (again).

Posted: **16 Sep 2019, 17:48**

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 13:58 100% mate, I’ve had teams say they will do cuts for titles themselves rather than pay someone like myself, it’s a joke, a cutsman is worth as much if not more than the boxer pays his manager and the trainer, and tbh we usually get our hotel, food and travel paid for which usually is covered anyway by the promoter and then the few pound for the cuts the boxer has to pay isn’t big money really at all, one gets you ready for a fight, one makes the arrangements and gets you the fights, but if you cut and badly the only person that can be the difference between winning and a lot of the times what comes with that win and losing and all career plans slide back 12-18 months at least if you even get a chance again, is the cutman, everyone else is pointless so makes perfect sense to invest what in retrospect is a small amount

I’ve seen loads of people call themselves cut men and can do it then fall to pieces, not be able to handle multiple cuts, not have their equipment ready, even have their eye iron that are metal in ice and then place straight onto fighters skin that can cause burns that they are not aware off, absolute jokers and some are so called known/top cuts men, I’m proud to say I’ve never had a fighter in my 12-15 yrs of doing cuts stopped or lose from a cut, and that spans anything from a small hall or leisure centre 4 round all the way through every kind of title fight too world title, a lot is luck but a lot is down to exactly what you said, I’ve studied, practised, picked experienced people like mick Williamson, stitch Duran, Jimmy tibbs brains and watched old school and experienced trainers and never stop learning, developing, asking and trying, when you think you know it all like a lot do in this game then you might aswell give up before you end up ruining someone’s life/career with your ignorance and ego.

If you’ve got a good team it is upto then to arrange who is in the corner with them and cover all corners and situations that may arise, if they don’t then the boxer needs to employ someone that will do that role, a trainers job is not just about looking good on YouTube or social media doing poxy padwork that is irrelevant or getting a fighter fit and in shape, a good trainer makes sure all aspects are taken care of so the fighter can relax and just concentrate on training, making weight and being fight ready and prepared without anything else or other distractions to worry about from start of camp all the way through til after the fight and it’s all over and job done

Obviously , when your a trainer , you do need to know a little bit about cuts , you have a guy doing a 6 rounder , , getting paid a small amount , you can't always afford to pay someone , but when you climb the ladder , who the fook risks there future BIG paydays for a few bob , you bring in the experts , its simple has that ,,,

But your right its a specelist job , i have always said , NO ONE wakes up on monday and says i'm gonna be a good boxer , and goes out fighting , they have too learn the trade ,, and NO ONE can say , think i'll become a good trainer on tuesday , they have to learn , and its the same with a good cutman , its a skill and like all skills someone has to learn and someone has to teach .

Luck will carry you so far , but sooner or later you need someone with the skill , and the higher up the ladder you are the more you need them ,, I can't believe Tyson Fury , with his ridiculous amount of money he's earning does'nt have a full time cutman he works with all the time , In fact to be honest , with the amount of time he seems to be spending there , and training there , and the money involved i find it hard to believe when i hear Davidson , thanking the mexican , thanking Roach , and others for being kind to us , letting us use the gym ect , with the money involved i find it hard to believe they have not set up there own gym , how hard would it be if you know your gonna be there for 6-7 months of the year , to rent a house and rent a big shed , set it up and have your fighter settled ,, then again , the trainer would'nt be sitting by the pool doing interviews ,

Posted: **16 Sep 2019, 18:23**

ewenhay wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 17:10 Some good insight on this thread, thanks lads

I agree - interesting thread

At Fury’s level of money, employing a top top cutsman seems obvious and would be relatively inexpensive

Posted: **16 Sep 2019, 20:21**

This thread has been very interesting and informative reading to someone who is strictly a fan and never been in gyms or around fighters and their trainers - thank you for your insight.

I can't help but wonder about cuts during sparring, I guess that if a cut occurs the spar will be stopped so there isn't the sense of urgency or the nerves mentioned in this thread that there is in a fight. Nevertheless, do gyms have someone that is trained to deal with cuts to minimise the damage as cuts can cause pull outs or become a recurring injury?

Posted: **16 Sep 2019, 20:35**

Hi Fightfanplan,

You don’t have anyone specially their during sparring for cuts, a lot of trainers just deal with them if they happen themselves in the gym but is different to fight night as if it happens in the gym, even a small nick then the spar is stopped straight away, I have a friend who I’ve also worked with that trained and fought in Mexico out of the famous Romanza gym under Nacho Bernstein (Juan Manuel Marquez trainer amongst others) who If cuts happen during sparring they would carry on has Nacho said if you got cut in fight night then you wouldn’t stop so prepared you for the real thing, I don’t personally agree with that but that’s their way in Mexico, They breed them real tough lol.

Sometimes you can see the pigment and colour change in the skin and around the area before a cut will open up or swelling occurs but a lot of the time has you seen with Fury the weekend, as soon has contact is made a gash can open straight up same has a eye shut from the soft tissue damage caused, hence you need to be prepared at all times has this can even occur right on the bell at the end of a round in a fight.

It is a contact sport so injuries/accidents can and do happen, the only way you can limit or minimise the risks are :
you obviously always wear headguards ( some lads full face guards with nose bars) and spar in 16oz gloves, tape up the laces still etc,
I personally not only layer plenty of Vaseline on my fighters faces continuously throughout but also apply a small bit regularly to the outside of their headguards to help punches slide off and not has full contact to risk any cuts, I always advise any lads coming to spar to do the same and rub any light excess from my hands just over their gloves aswell.

sparring is a learning and practising exercise and used mainly to work on things you’ve been training on and fight specific things, hence you pick numerous sparring partners with attributes as good if not better and similar in size, stance and style to your opponent your gonna be facing to get your timing spot on aswell as conditioning yourself and body to take punches and become accustomed to that style you will be facing.

I personally also wouldn’t spar my lads especially my higher level lads for a big fight with inexperienced lads or lads who might be a bit wild and known to be off balance and fall in, to limit as much has possible the chance of head clashes,
also as your supposed to, keep a close eye on the spar and if their any elbows coming in, use of forearms or pulling down on arms, heads, punches to back of heads etc you call out to be careful of what ever foul you’ve just seen to remind the lads and limit the risk of injuries, it is a very important preparation for the fight but never the less is still only a training exercise and you don’t get nothing out of either just knocking the Bol locks out of your sparring partner or likewise having the Bol locks knocked out of you, but again in saying that, it is contact sport and grown men with egos and pride sometimes or should I say a lot of the times it ends up better to watch than some fights and even tougher loooool,

Hopefully this gives a bit more insight, help and understanding for you mate

Posted: **17 Sep 2019, 00:17**

Jeez , Cutman , getting the feeling i've got a twin on here LOL ,,, i too ALWAYS , vaseline the headguards , and the gloves , along side the boxer in any and all spars , I make them wear headguards , although some did'nt like them , if there profesinal and mature enough they learn there a safety tool , and if they don't learn its too bad , get one on , except if its a very light technical spar .
Interesting you say about sparring novices , i was gonna tell a story that happenned perhaps 20- odd years ago , regards that ,
Our gym was being used by a fighter who was boxing , a world champ , this fighter did'nt bring a sparring partner and was working with his trainer , at the time i was working with a complete novice , but a hell of a tough guy mental case , would be a way to describe him , anyway , this trainer asked me can bla bla , i won't mention names on the net , but can bla bla , move around with your lad , he boxes in 2 days justr want to loosen him up ,,, I said he can , but not a good idea ,,

His answer was , don't worry he helps with the beginners at home he's real good with the kids ,, I said i'm not worried about my boy i'm worried about yours ,, this brought a look of astonishment and he said how many fights your lad had , i replied NON , but thats what worries me , he throws them from everywhere , in fact when the bell goes he's a nutcase , , HE laughed they insisted , 20-30 seconds into the first rnd he tags my lad nice and light , but this kids a bull he see's red , charges , and lands a big looping swing on the eye ,, PANIC STATIONS he cut him , . they were real concerned there fight would get called off it was good money for them , others said to me don't you feel bad , i said NO the trainer was warned , I said to my novice , see what you done , he said fook em , i wanted to smash him , i said why , he said so i could tell everyone i done it , complete wild man , great bloke , pity he got mixed up with bad chareacters , instead of carrying on his boxing carreer , He had that mongrel you can't teach , LOL

Posted: **17 Sep 2019, 06:34**

You guys really seem to know a lot about this. Really enjoyed reading your posts.

Just wanted to ask your expert opinions on alvarez's cut in the last golovkin fight.... It was very wide but didn't bleed. It looked to me like they had to have been something fishy going on. I've never seen anything like it.

Posted: **17 Sep 2019, 08:34**

Ezzard wrote: ↑17 Sep 2019, 06:34 You guys really seem to know a lot about this. Really enjoyed reading your posts.

Just wanted to ask your expert opinions on alvarez's cut in the last golovkin fight.... It was very wide but didn't bleed. It looked to me like they had to have been something fishy going on. I've never seen anything like it.

Hi mate, Yh it’s strange there are occasions when a cut can open up and display it’s when it a big one aswell and might not bleed much or if at all, this is because sometimes a cut can be what’s classed has a clean cut which ruptured fewer blood vessels, smaller capillaries etc, also if the area surrounding it isn’t damaged (I.e. been taking shots damaging tissue etc) then fewer areas hormones known as histamines are released,

Or could be that the Adrenalin worked like it’s supposed too if that’s what was used, Adrenalin basically shrinks the blood vessels cutting off the leaking ends that the blood flows out of that are exposed.

I wouldn’t know 100% but here’s just a couple of reasons that I can think of

Posted: **17 Sep 2019, 11:56**

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 20:35 Hi Fightfanplan,

You don’t have anyone specially their during sparring for cuts, a lot of trainers just deal with them if they happen themselves in the gym but is different to fight night as if it happens in the gym, even a small nick then the spar is stopped straight away, I have a friend who I’ve also worked with that trained and fought in Mexico out of the famous Romanza gym under Nacho Bernstein (Juan Manuel Marquez trainer amongst others) who If cuts happen during sparring they would carry on has Nacho said if you got cut in fight night then you wouldn’t stop so prepared you for the real thing, I don’t personally agree with that but that’s their way in Mexico, They breed them real tough lol.

Sometimes you can see the pigment and colour change in the skin and around the area before a cut will open up or swelling occurs but a lot of the time has you seen with Fury the weekend, as soon has contact is made a gash can open straight up same has a eye shut from the soft tissue damage caused, hence you need to be prepared at all times has this can even occur right on the bell at the end of a round in a fight.

It is a contact sport so injuries/accidents can and do happen, the only way you can limit or minimise the risks are :
you obviously always wear headguards ( some lads full face guards with nose bars) and spar in 16oz gloves, tape up the laces still etc,
I personally not only layer plenty of Vaseline on my fighters faces continuously throughout but also apply a small bit regularly to the outside of their headguards to help punches slide off and not has full contact to risk any cuts, I always advise any lads coming to spar to do the same and rub any light excess from my hands just over their gloves aswell.

sparring is a learning and practising exercise and used mainly to work on things you’ve been training on and fight specific things, hence you pick numerous sparring partners with attributes as good if not better and similar in size, stance and style to your opponent your gonna be facing to get your timing spot on aswell as conditioning yourself and body to take punches and become accustomed to that style you will be facing.

I personally also wouldn’t spar my lads especially my higher level lads for a big fight with inexperienced lads or lads who might be a bit wild and known to be off balance and fall in, to limit as much has possible the chance of head clashes,
also as your supposed to, keep a close eye on the spar and if their any elbows coming in, use of forearms or pulling down on arms, heads, punches to back of heads etc you call out to be careful of what ever foul you’ve just seen to remind the lads and limit the risk of injuries, it is a very important preparation for the fight but never the less is still only a training exercise and you don’t get nothing out of either just knocking the Bol locks out of your sparring partner or likewise having the Bol locks knocked out of you, but again in saying that, it is contact sport and grown men with egos and pride sometimes or should I say a lot of the times it ends up better to watch than some fights and even tougher loooool,

Hopefully this gives a bit more insight, help and understanding for you mate

Thanks for the really interesting insights in this thread

Posted: **17 Sep 2019, 19:31**

Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 20:35 Hi Fightfanplan,

You don’t have anyone specially their during sparring for cuts, a lot of trainers just deal with them if they happen themselves in the gym but is different to fight night as if it happens in the gym, even a small nick then the spar is stopped straight away, I have a friend who I’ve also worked with that trained and fought in Mexico out of the famous Romanza gym under Nacho Bernstein (Juan Manuel Marquez trainer amongst others) who If cuts happen during sparring they would carry on has Nacho said if you got cut in fight night then you wouldn’t stop so prepared you for the real thing, I don’t personally agree with that but that’s their way in Mexico, They breed them real tough lol.

Sometimes you can see the pigment and colour change in the skin and around the area before a cut will open up or swelling occurs but a lot of the time has you seen with Fury the weekend, as soon has contact is made a gash can open straight up same has a eye shut from the soft tissue damage caused, hence you need to be prepared at all times has this can even occur right on the bell at the end of a round in a fight.

It is a contact sport so injuries/accidents can and do happen, the only way you can limit or minimise the risks are :
you obviously always wear headguards ( some lads full face guards with nose bars) and spar in 16oz gloves, tape up the laces still etc,
I personally not only layer plenty of Vaseline on my fighters faces continuously throughout but also apply a small bit regularly to the outside of their headguards to help punches slide off and not has full contact to risk any cuts, I always advise any lads coming to spar to do the same and rub any light excess from my hands just over their gloves aswell.

sparring is a learning and practising exercise and used mainly to work on things you’ve been training on and fight specific things, hence you pick numerous sparring partners with attributes as good if not better and similar in size, stance and style to your opponent your gonna be facing to get your timing spot on aswell as conditioning yourself and body to take punches and become accustomed to that style you will be facing.

I personally also wouldn’t spar my lads especially my higher level lads for a big fight with inexperienced lads or lads who might be a bit wild and known to be off balance and fall in, to limit as much has possible the chance of head clashes,
also as your supposed to, keep a close eye on the spar and if their any elbows coming in, use of forearms or pulling down on arms, heads, punches to back of heads etc you call out to be careful of what ever foul you’ve just seen to remind the lads and limit the risk of injuries, it is a very important preparation for the fight but never the less is still only a training exercise and you don’t get nothing out of either just knocking the Bol locks out of your sparring partner or likewise having the Bol locks knocked out of you, but again in saying that, it is contact sport and grown men with egos and pride sometimes or should I say a lot of the times it ends up better to watch than some fights and even tougher loooool,

Hopefully this gives a bit more insight, help and understanding for you mate

Really insightful reading and I learned a lot from it - thank you for taking the times to share your knowledge and experience.

Posted: **18 Sep 2019, 05:22**

chinarich wrote: ↑17 Sep 2019, 11:56
Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 20:35 Hi Fightfanplan,

You don’t have anyone specially their during sparring for cuts, a lot of trainers just deal with them if they happen themselves in the gym but is different to fight night as if it happens in the gym, even a small nick then the spar is stopped straight away, I have a friend who I’ve also worked with that trained and fought in Mexico out of the famous Romanza gym under Nacho Bernstein (Juan Manuel Marquez trainer amongst others) who If cuts happen during sparring they would carry on has Nacho said if you got cut in fight night then you wouldn’t stop so prepared you for the real thing, I don’t personally agree with that but that’s their way in Mexico, They breed them real tough lol.

Sometimes you can see the pigment and colour change in the skin and around the area before a cut will open up or swelling occurs but a lot of the time has you seen with Fury the weekend, as soon has contact is made a gash can open straight up same has a eye shut from the soft tissue damage caused, hence you need to be prepared at all times has this can even occur right on the bell at the end of a round in a fight.

It is a contact sport so injuries/accidents can and do happen, the only way you can limit or minimise the risks are :
you obviously always wear headguards ( some lads full face guards with nose bars) and spar in 16oz gloves, tape up the laces still etc,
I personally not only layer plenty of Vaseline on my fighters faces continuously throughout but also apply a small bit regularly to the outside of their headguards to help punches slide off and not has full contact to risk any cuts, I always advise any lads coming to spar to do the same and rub any light excess from my hands just over their gloves aswell.

sparring is a learning and practising exercise and used mainly to work on things you’ve been training on and fight specific things, hence you pick numerous sparring partners with attributes as good if not better and similar in size, stance and style to your opponent your gonna be facing to get your timing spot on aswell as conditioning yourself and body to take punches and become accustomed to that style you will be facing.

I personally also wouldn’t spar my lads especially my higher level lads for a big fight with inexperienced lads or lads who might be a bit wild and known to be off balance and fall in, to limit as much has possible the chance of head clashes,
also as your supposed to, keep a close eye on the spar and if their any elbows coming in, use of forearms or pulling down on arms, heads, punches to back of heads etc you call out to be careful of what ever foul you’ve just seen to remind the lads and limit the risk of injuries, it is a very important preparation for the fight but never the less is still only a training exercise and you don’t get nothing out of either just knocking the Bol locks out of your sparring partner or likewise having the Bol locks knocked out of you, but again in saying that, it is contact sport and grown men with egos and pride sometimes or should I say a lot of the times it ends up better to watch than some fights and even tougher loooool,

Hopefully this gives a bit more insight, help and understanding for you mate
Thanks for the really interesting insights in this thread

My pleasure mate

Posted: **18 Sep 2019, 05:23**

FightFanPlan wrote: ↑17 Sep 2019, 19:31
Boxingcutsman wrote: ↑16 Sep 2019, 20:35 Hi Fightfanplan,

You don’t have anyone specially their during sparring for cuts, a lot of trainers just deal with them if they happen themselves in the gym but is different to fight night as if it happens in the gym, even a small nick then the spar is stopped straight away, I have a friend who I’ve also worked with that trained and fought in Mexico out of the famous Romanza gym under Nacho Bernstein (Juan Manuel Marquez trainer amongst others) who If cuts happen during sparring they would carry on has Nacho said if you got cut in fight night then you wouldn’t stop so prepared you for the real thing, I don’t personally agree with that but that’s their way in Mexico, They breed them real tough lol.

Sometimes you can see the pigment and colour change in the skin and around the area before a cut will open up or swelling occurs but a lot of the time has you seen with Fury the weekend, as soon has contact is made a gash can open straight up same has a eye shut from the soft tissue damage caused, hence you need to be prepared at all times has this can even occur right on the bell at the end of a round in a fight.

It is a contact sport so injuries/accidents can and do happen, the only way you can limit or minimise the risks are :
you obviously always wear headguards ( some lads full face guards with nose bars) and spar in 16oz gloves, tape up the laces still etc,
I personally not only layer plenty of Vaseline on my fighters faces continuously throughout but also apply a small bit regularly to the outside of their headguards to help punches slide off and not has full contact to risk any cuts, I always advise any lads coming to spar to do the same and rub any light excess from my hands just over their gloves aswell.

sparring is a learning and practising exercise and used mainly to work on things you’ve been training on and fight specific things, hence you pick numerous sparring partners with attributes as good if not better and similar in size, stance and style to your opponent your gonna be facing to get your timing spot on aswell as conditioning yourself and body to take punches and become accustomed to that style you will be facing.

I personally also wouldn’t spar my lads especially my higher level lads for a big fight with inexperienced lads or lads who might be a bit wild and known to be off balance and fall in, to limit as much has possible the chance of head clashes,
also as your supposed to, keep a close eye on the spar and if their any elbows coming in, use of forearms or pulling down on arms, heads, punches to back of heads etc you call out to be careful of what ever foul you’ve just seen to remind the lads and limit the risk of injuries, it is a very important preparation for the fight but never the less is still only a training exercise and you don’t get nothing out of either just knocking the Bol locks out of your sparring partner or likewise having the Bol locks knocked out of you, but again in saying that, it is contact sport and grown men with egos and pride sometimes or should I say a lot of the times it ends up better to watch than some fights and even tougher loooool,

Hopefully this gives a bit more insight, help and understanding for you mate
Really insightful reading and I learned a lot from it - thank you for taking the times to share your knowledge and experience.

Your welcome mate

Posted: **18 Sep 2019, 12:25**

coneye wrote: ↑17 Sep 2019, 00:17 Jeez , Cutman , getting the feeling i've got a twin on here LOL ,,, i too ALWAYS , vaseline the headguards , and the gloves , along side the boxer in any and all spars , I make them wear headguards , although some did'nt like them , if there profesinal and mature enough they learn there a safety tool , and if they don't learn its too bad , get one on , except if its a very light technical spar .
Interesting you say about sparring novices , i was gonna tell a story that happenned perhaps 20- odd years ago , regards that ,
Our gym was being used by a fighter who was boxing , a world champ , this fighter did'nt bring a sparring partner and was working with his trainer , at the time i was working with a complete novice , but a hell of a tough guy mental case , would be a way to describe him , anyway , this trainer asked me can bla bla , i won't mention names on the net , but can bla bla , move around with your lad , he boxes in 2 days justr want to loosen him up ,,, I said he can , but not a good idea ,,

His answer was , don't worry he helps with the beginners at home he's real good with the kids ,, I said i'm not worried about my boy i'm worried about yours ,, this brought a look of astonishment and he said how many fights your lad had , i replied NON , but thats what worries me , he throws them from everywhere , in fact when the bell goes he's a nutcase , , HE laughed they insisted , 20-30 seconds into the first rnd he tags my lad nice and light , but this kids a bull he see's red , charges , and lands a big looping swing on the eye ,, PANIC STATIONS he cut him , . they were real concerned there fight would get called off it was good money for them , others said to me don't you feel bad , i said NO the trainer was warned , I said to my novice , see what you done , he said fook em , i wanted to smash him , i said why , he said so i could tell everyone i done it , complete wild man , great bloke , pity he got mixed up with bad chareacters , instead of carrying on his boxing carreer , He had that mongrel you can't teach , LOL

Great discussion, really enjoying it.

I haven't had to deal with a cut yet but only a matter of time.

Love that bit at the end 'so i could tell everyone i done it'

used to train a guy like that, couldn't spar lightly if you paid him. When I started with him he had no talent all power, managed to get the basics into him but one thing he couldn't do properly was jab. So I spent half his sessions, bag, pads, spars, with him only jabbing. Taking him to other gyms I'd tell him, 'first round, just the jab', the other lad would think 'oh lovely, I can deal with that' then POW! all that training the jab had paid off and it had become his best punch from his worst. But you couldn't put him in with no-one except heavier lads because holding back wasn't in his repertoire.

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