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What did you think of that uncalled penalty? I thought a point should have been taken away, However, I also think that Fury (as a gypsy/traveler raised as a street brawler) somehow respected the move.

chuck9788 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2019, 16:06 What did you think of that uncalled penalty? I thought a point should have been taken away, However, I also think that Fury (as a gypsy/traveler raised as a street brawler) somehow respected the move.

I was really surprised the ref did nothing. Haven't seen a good rake like that in a long time.

He also kept raking it in the clinches as well as rubbing it with his head alot

Duran1970 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2019, 16:25 He also kept raking it in the clinches as well as rubbing it with his head alot

It almost made me root for Fury!

Surprised he didn't get a warning for it, that being said I liked that he did it. Showed me that he was there to WIN, and not just cash a check. I respect it, and I'd have done the same in his position.

If a cut was caused by a punch. Then raked to a point of fouls been called, then the fight got stopped based on the severity of the cut, would tko from cuts stand, or scorecards, or dq?

(Same question for if headclash after a punch made the cut a bit bigger and it got stopped.?)

Anyone seen either through f these happen?

gregregegg wrote: ↑18 Sep 2019, 16:42 If a cut was caused by a punch. Then raked to a point of fouls been called, then the fight got stopped based on the severity of the cut, would tko from cuts stand, or scorecards, or dq?

(Same question for if headclash after a punch made the cut a bit bigger and it got stopped.?)

Anyone seen either through f these happen?

I wondered that too definitely.

If the cut was caused by a punch, but worsened through illegal means, what happens?

should have been stopped and scorecards counted..

dq, or dq loss if the fighter who fouled was losing, nc if he was winning, imo

First of all, Tyson Fury shouldn’t have been stopped, because he was still being elusive and winning rounds.

Fights aren’t scored on the amount of blood pouring from one’s face.

And Otto Walin was entitled to exploit his opponents’ injury if he was able to avoid either being caught or punished by the ref.

There was plenty of borderline grapplage going on both ways, but yes, Wallin blatantly raked.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑18 Sep 2019, 16:40 Surprised he didn't get a warning for it, that being said I liked that he did it. Showed me that he was there to WIN, and not just cash a check. I respect it, and I'd have done the same in his position.

Agree

It was blatant, flagrant bad sportsmanship. I don't understand anybody cheering for it. What about Margarito and the plaster wraps, was that just showing that he was there to win? Luis Resto, was he just in there to win? Have some boundaries, that's the way I see it. They're not back alley fights. There's a referee in there who's supposed to be enforcing rules.

squiggy wrote: ↑18 Sep 2019, 17:45 It was blatant, flagrant bad sportsmanship. I don't understand anybody cheering for it. What about Margarito and the plaster wraps, was that just showing that he was there to win? Luis Resto, was he just in there to win? Have some boundaries, that's the way I see it. They're not back alley fights. There's a referee in there who's supposed to be enforcing rules.

You're right really. I didn't like it. The very same folks who sort of supported this were adamently against Ward's low-blows against Kov. Now to be fair, Wallin's action didn't change the fight.

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Sep 2019, 17:48

squiggy wrote: ↑18 Sep 2019, 17:45 It was blatant, flagrant bad sportsmanship. I don't understand anybody cheering for it. What about Margarito and the plaster wraps, was that just showing that he was there to win? Luis Resto, was he just in there to win? Have some boundaries, that's the way I see it. They're not back alley fights. There's a referee in there who's supposed to be enforcing rules.

You're right really. I didn't like it. The very same folks who sort of supported this were adamently against Ward's low-blows against Kov. Now to be fair, Wallin's action didn't change the fight.

Who is supporting it?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑18 Sep 2019, 17:55

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Sep 2019, 17:48
You're right really. I didn't like it. The very same folks who sort of supported this were adamently against Ward's low-blows against Kov. Now to be fair, Wallin's action didn't change the fight.

Who is supporting it?

Gil liked it.

Gil you naughty boy

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Sep 2019, 17:48

squiggy wrote: ↑18 Sep 2019, 17:45 It was blatant, flagrant bad sportsmanship. I don't understand anybody cheering for it. What about Margarito and the plaster wraps, was that just showing that he was there to win? Luis Resto, was he just in there to win? Have some boundaries, that's the way I see it. They're not back alley fights. There's a referee in there who's supposed to be enforcing rules.

You're right really. I didn't like it. The very same folks who sort of supported this were adamently against Ward's low-blows against Kov. Now to be fair, Wallin's action didn't change the fight.

I'm against Ward WINNING with a low blow. I'm not against him throwing the low blow.

It's a fight, do what it takes to win. The referee is supposed to do his job. You the fighter are supposed to do yours. Winning by any means necessary is the fighter doing his job in my view.

My probably with the Kovalev-Ward rematch is with Tony Weeks.

I don't think I'd mind the fact that Ward supporters give him credit for the win if they at least acknowledged that he did it with low blows. They pretend as if he won with clean body punching. That annoys me greatly.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑18 Sep 2019, 18:01 Gil you naughty boy

I like violence, and I like ruthless aggression. When you're in a fight, no reason to be a nice guy.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑18 Sep 2019, 18:04

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Sep 2019, 17:48
You're right really. I didn't like it. The very same folks who sort of supported this were adamently against Ward's low-blows against Kov. Now to be fair, Wallin's action didn't change the fight.

I'm against Ward WINNING with a low blow. I'm not against him throwing the low blow.

It's a fight, do what it takes to win. The referee is supposed to do his job. You the fighter are supposed to do yours. Winning by any means necessary is the fighter doing his job in my view.

My probably with the Kovalev-Ward rematch is with Tony Weeks.

I don't think I'd mind the fact that Ward supporters give him credit for the win if they at least acknowledged that he did it with low blows. They pretend as if he won with clean body punching. That annoys me greatly.

See the bold. I assume those low-blows changed the fight. When I watched it again, it was pretty clear.

Otto raked at the worst time when the ref was right in the middle breaking them up....he should have been deducted a point for it and warned that the next time was a DQ.

Otto did a bit on all the inside grappling but did not do enough IMO to go after the eye. Fury was crowding him and giving him every opportunity to really give that cut hell. He missed the boat there. He could have raked the shit out of that cut and not have been anywhere as obvious when doing it. In the post fight presser he said he regretted not capitalizing more. He had not watched the fight at that point. I imagine after he watched the fight his feelings got much stronger about it. Time and time again....WHY DID I NOT RAKE HIM THERE. He had the Lineal HW Title within reach. You do whatever it takes to win there. Raking in a break is not part of that formula though...that is a path to losing. All he should have been doing is going for the rakes on the cuts. Fury wasn't affecting him much with the shots he was taking. TKO was a few good rakes away from his grasp....and millions of dollars. Otto F'd up.

I just want to add a bit more to where he could have really done it. How many headlocks did he put Fury into? It was quite a few. That is the perfect time to rake viciously at those cuts. From that position you can use the thumb and the open face of the glove to rip at the cuts. If he had a mind set to really go to raking he could have used those spots brilliantly to tear Fury's face open. He released all those headlocks like a gentleman though. Didn't do justice to the work Viking there at all.

If certain fighters had done it it would have been described as old skool tricks and craft...

yes i didnt like that - effectively like a punch after the bell or break .

Dirty


But then fury spent 9 rounds shoving his head into wallins chin !

Trying to worsen an opponent's cut to win a fight makes sense by land punches on the cut is obviously the right way to do it.

But Wallin couldn't, so he tried to do it illegally. It's not right, but if he was a bit more ring savvy he could have achieved his goal without looking like a cheat.

Pushing his shoulder into the eye during clinches or dipping his head as Fury was coming inside causing a head clash would be the sort of tactics an experienced fighter would use.

Not saying it's right, but fighters win on fouls all the time, why should Wallin be any different. He could have got a massive pay day in a rematch, or possibly even hijacked Fury's showdown with Wilder.