WIth all the talk about the hardest puncher in HW history, I had to go find this again. I know most of you have probably seen this, but I love to watch it. Enjoy!
Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 24 Sep 2019, 19:43
by oogiebe
Another good one. Hardest hitters of all time with a 'statistical' comparison.
Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 25 Sep 2019, 09:19
by Tony1244
Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 27 Sep 2019, 18:14
by margaret thatcher
What is the fight at 40 seconds of the first clip? Must've been terrifying to have Foreman swinging at you like that
Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 27 Sep 2019, 18:19
by overhand_right
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Sep 2019, 18:14
What is the fight at 40 seconds of the first clip? Must've been terrifying to have Foreman swinging at you like that
Jose King Roman in Tokyo
Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 27 Sep 2019, 18:25
by margaret thatcher
Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 28 Sep 2019, 09:21
by Controversial
It just goes to show how big the fighters of today are, Foreman at his peak was 6'3" and around 220lbs and he was classed as a monster in that era but he would be a little HW today.
Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 28 Sep 2019, 09:50
by Syntax Error
Controversial wrote: ↑28 Sep 2019, 09:21
It just goes to show how big the fighters of today are, Foreman at his peak was 6'3" and around 220lbs and he was classed as a monster in that era but he would be a little HW today.
Spot on; in fact, I speculate that there'd be folk advising him to drop to CW because he is too small to take on the behemoths that rule the heavies today.
Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 28 Sep 2019, 09:52
by wouter
Syntax Error wrote: ↑28 Sep 2019, 09:50Spot on; in fact, I speculate that there'd be folk advising him to drop to CW because he is too small to take on the behemoths that rule the heavies today.
Syntax Error wrote: ↑28 Sep 2019, 09:50Spot on; in fact, I speculate that there'd be folk advising him to drop to CW because he is too small to take on the behemoths that rule the heavies today.
Such as Andy Ruiz?
It's all so tiresome. Mike Tyson was a mere 5'10'' and 220lbs and yet none of today's "behemoths" would be able to brawl with him without getting flattened, quickly.
Deontay Wilder is 220lbs, sometimes less, and is the most deadly puncher around at the moment.
wouter wrote: ↑28 Sep 2019, 09:52
Such as Andy Ruiz?
It's all so tiresome. Mike Tyson was a mere 5'10'' and 220lbs and yet none of today's "behemoths" would be able to brawl with him without getting flattened, quickly.
Deontay Wilder is 220lbs, sometimes less, and is the most deadly puncher around at the moment.
True & Wilder himself said he can get down the CW if he so wished.
It just goes to show that it not necessarily about how tall or how heavy you are.
Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 28 Sep 2019, 12:50
by Caractacus
Controversial wrote: ↑28 Sep 2019, 09:21
It just goes to show how big the fighters of today are, Foreman at his peak was 6'3" and around 220lbs and he was classed as a monster in that era but he would be a little HW today.
but George Foreman was a "Big" 220 lbs.
he didn't have wash-board abs,or overly defined deltoids like some HW boxers,but all that weight was in the right places
( i.e thighs,shoulders,arms,chest,neck and huge bowling ball type of head)
to exert maximum' Clobbering" Power.
Controversial wrote: ↑28 Sep 2019, 09:21
It just goes to show how big the fighters of today are, Foreman at his peak was 6'3" and around 220lbs and he was classed as a monster in that era but he would be a little HW today.
but George Foreman was a "Big" 220 lbs.
he didn't have wash-board abs,or overly defined deltoids like some HW boxers,but all that weight was in the right places
( i.e thighs,shoulders,arms,chest,neck and huge bowling ball type of head)
to exert maximum' Clobbering" Power.
He was a lump I agree but when you look at him an Ali in their fight there wasn't a lot between them size wise. Same height and only 3.5lb weight difference.
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Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 28 Sep 2019, 13:01
by overhand_right
Holyfield at 208 had the brute strength to lift a 260lb Foreman off his feet with his punches. Behemoths like Savarese and Briggs couldn't make him blink with their punches. There's so much more to heavyweight boxing than height and reach. Razor Ruddock at his peak was "only" 6'3'', at his best in the 220s, and was a total monster.
Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 28 Sep 2019, 13:08
by Controversial
Sure size doesn't always equate to strength or power, Foreman could pack a serious whack, as could Shavers who was even smaller.
Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 28 Sep 2019, 14:02
by Caractacus
George Foreman was about as big as a professional athlete could (naturaly) get back in the early 1970's
( not counting pro wrestlers and pro football players with a lot of fat (and flab) on their frames)
Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 28 Sep 2019, 19:53
by gilgamesh
Controversial wrote: ↑28 Sep 2019, 13:08
Sure size doesn't always equate to strength or power, Foreman could pack a serious whack, as could Shavers who was even smaller.
Foreman at 220 pounds was a bigger hitter than any of the modern behemoths basically. At a certain point I'm not sure that being bigger is necessarily an advantage anymore. I mean yeah obviously being tall doesn't hurt, but look at Tyson Fury. Dude's 6'9 and at least 245 pounds at his lightest, and he's a pretty average puncher. Now granted that has a lot do with his style and approach, but still...
Too much is made of the size thing. If you're a well built 200 or 205 pounds. You're capable of holding your own with anybody if you know what you're doing.
Now between 210 and 225 would probably be better in the modern era, but I think too many guys actually bulk up unnecessarily feeling the need that they HAVE to pack on weight in this era, whereas they'd probably be better off a lot of the time being 10 or 15 pounds lighter and focusing on lean muscle and speed. The power will be there if the technique and the timing is there.
If you're 200 plus pounds, and you know what you're doing. It don't tickle to get hit by you. Whether you outweigh the guy by 40 pounds or whatever.
Ask Buddy Baer who enjoyed a very large size advantage over Joe Louis.
Controversial wrote: ↑28 Sep 2019, 13:08
Sure size doesn't always equate to strength or power, Foreman could pack a serious whack, as could Shavers who was even smaller.
Foreman at 220 pounds was a bigger hitter than any of the modern behemoths basically. At a certain point I'm not sure that being bigger is necessarily an advantage anymore. I mean yeah obviously being tall doesn't hurt, but look at Tyson Fury. Dude's 6'9 and at least 245 pounds at his lightest, and he's a pretty average puncher. Now granted that has a lot do with his style and approach, but still...
Too much is made of the size thing. If you're a well built 200 or 205 pounds. You're capable of holding your own with anybody if you know what you're doing.
Now between 210 and 225 would probably be better in the modern era, but I think too many guys actually bulk up unnecessarily feeling the need that they HAVE to pack on weight in this era, whereas they'd probably be better off a lot of the time being 10 or 15 pounds lighter and focusing on lean muscle and speed. The power will be there if the technique and the timing is there.
If you're 200 plus pounds, and you know what you're doing. It don't tickle to get hit by you. Whether you outweigh the guy by 40 pounds or whatever.
Ask Buddy Baer who enjoyed a very large size advantage over Joe Louis.
I'd say Foreman was stronger in his comeback though, even though he was slower, older and fatter that extra weight benefitted him.
Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 14:50
by gilgamesh
You may be right. He was definitely smarter at pacing himself, and not wasting energy.
Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 16:43
by dr_devious
Controversial wrote: ↑28 Sep 2019, 09:21
It just goes to show how big the fighters of today are, Foreman at his peak was 6'3" and around 220lbs and he was classed as a monster in that era but he would be a little HW today.
He'd still smash Wilder, Fury, Joshua and Vlad to pieces
Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 30 Sep 2019, 05:39
by Controversial
This reminds me of the thread I started before about why was Foreman so highly rated. His power was very good but he was far from unbeatable in his prime. The fact is his opponents up to fighting Frazier were average at best, lots had very poor records and many were under 200lbs. Not really surprising he was smashing these guys out in quick time. Ali knocked him out, Lyle came close to knocking him out and a feather fisted Young outpointed him. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion he would easily beat the modern HWs.
Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 30 Sep 2019, 05:49
by overhand_right
Controversial wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 05:39
This reminds me of the thread I started before about why was Foreman so highly rated. His power was very good but he was far from unbeatable in his prime. The fact is his opponents up to fighting Frazier were average at best, lots had very poor records and many were under 200lbs. Not really surprising he was smashing these guys out in quick time. Ali knocked him out, Lyle came close to knocking him out and a feather fisted Young outpointed him. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion he would easily beat the modern HWs.
So he blasts out Joe Frazier twice, Ken Norton, Ron Lyle and George Chuvalo, gets KOd by the greatest heavyweight ever, and it's still not good enough, because his all-important journeymen opponents weren't over 200lbs? What about the giant, modern sized fringe guys like Jack O'Halloran who he also overpowered and demolished?
What an utterly, utterly bizarre way you have of assessing fighters. 'If you ignore the Greats he destroyed, his other opponents weren't good'. Let's see if any of these modern heavies are still winning at world level at 50.
Controversial wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 05:39
This reminds me of the thread I started before about why was Foreman so highly rated. His power was very good but he was far from unbeatable in his prime. The fact is his opponents up to fighting Frazier were average at best, lots had very poor records and many were under 200lbs. Not really surprising he was smashing these guys out in quick time. Ali knocked him out, Lyle came close to knocking him out and a feather fisted Young outpointed him. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion he would easily beat the modern HWs.
So he blasts out Joe Frazier twice, Ken Norton, Ron Lyle and George Chuvalo, gets KOd by the greatest heavyweight ever, and it's still not good enough, because his all-important journeymen opponents weren't over 200lbs? What about the giant, modern sized fringe guys like Jack O'Halloran who he also overpowered and demolished?
What an utterly, utterly bizarre way you have of assessing fighters. 'If you ignore the Greats he destroyed, his other opponents weren't good'. Let's see if any of these modern heavies are still winning at world level at 50.
I never said it wasn't good enough, I was just saying he was often the bigger guy. The thread is about his size and he was often the bigger man whereas today he wouldn't be. His run up to fighting Frazier was fairly weak, I don't think anyone can really argue it wasn't, fighting guys the year before his title shot with 1-14-1 or 1-2 or 3-25-2 records as examples. My reply was to a comment about him still being able to beat todays HWs, all I'm saying is it's not a foregone conclusion.
Re: George Foreman: Monster
Posted: 30 Sep 2019, 14:46
by Caractacus
Controversial wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 05:39
This reminds me of the thread I started before about why was Foreman so highly rated. His power was very good but he was far from unbeatable in his prime. The fact is his opponents up to fighting Frazier were average at best, lots had very poor records and many were under 200lbs. Not really surprising he was smashing these guys out in quick time. Ali knocked him out, Lyle came close to knocking him out and a feather fisted Young outpointed him. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion he would easily beat the modern HWs.
they had said the same thing about Foreman's idol Sonny Liston.
