After 4 steady years building up 12 straight victories Mark was matched with a Lithuanian debutant at York Hall last night , seemed a strange match up in the first place and I'm surprised the board allowed the match up to take place , but to then lose on points seems very strange , was the guy a complete ringer and Mark / Steve Goodwin stitched up by an agent , was the Lithuanian a world class amateur and Mark got found out to be area level , just seems a strange one all-round with the level of imports we get over here now .
Re: Mark Little cruiserweight
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 07:25
by MasterG
Should have booked closer to home. Plenty of boxers in this country wanting work. I have no sympathy for them.
Re: Mark Little cruiserweight
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 07:55
by smiling assassin
Getting to 12-0 not boxing anyone with a winning record. This is why the pro game is pony. So many pros out there who wouldn't get out of their region in the elites, some wouldn't even be entered. They turn over for the ego boost. Fighters should not be fighting journeyman past their 6-8th fight
Re: Mark Little cruiserweight
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 09:24
by ERIC GUY
I spoke to the guy, he told me he had 10 white collar fights. I told him , you must have had a good few fights as a junior, he smiled.
Re: Mark Little cruiserweight
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 09:43
by leejonesjnr
Lithuanian debutant brought over from Lithuania or living in U.K.?
Re: Mark Little cruiserweight
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 13:46
by bripez
What was the point if that - 4 years of flogging tickets to your mates
Re: Mark Little cruiserweight
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 16:35
by coneye
12 Wins versus the debutant ,, and he does'nt read the scrip[t ,, absolutly LOVE IT , music to my ears it is ... Would love to see more of it ,,
If he got set up , so what ,, wheres his pride anyway , , you really would expect a pro with 4 years and 12 wins under his belt to refuse to fight a debutant ,
Re: Mark Little cruiserweight
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 16:47
by smiling assassin
coneye wrote: ↑29 Sep 2019, 16:35
12 Wins versus the debutant ,, and he does'nt read the scrip[t ,, absolutly LOVE IT , music to my ears it is ... Would love to see more of it ,,
If he got set up , so what ,, wheres his pride anyway , , you really would expect a pro with 4 years and 12 wins under his belt to refuse to fight a debutant ,
Suprised he still got people willing to pay £40 to see when he ain't stepped it up in 4 years. Actually he did (this geezer didn't have a losing record )
Re: Mark Little cruiserweight
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 16:49
by margaret thatcher
Mark Little looks more like 45 than 31
Re: Mark Little cruiserweight
Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 17:15
by knockout
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑29 Sep 2019, 09:43
Lithuanian debutant brought over from Lithuania or living in U.K.?
Living in Hull apparently.
One of his unlicensed fights is on YouTube ( I assume it’s him)
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑29 Sep 2019, 09:43
Lithuanian debutant brought over from Lithuania or living in U.K.?
Living in Hull apparently.
One of his unlicensed fights is on YouTube ( I assume it’s him)
Probably had 300 amateur fights
The sad thing is that I bet there isn’t a “promoter” who will take this lad on and build him up - he either won’t get any fights or will be told the score and have to be one a journeyman
One of his unlicensed fights is on YouTube ( I assume it’s him)
Probably had 300 amateur fights
The sad thing is that I bet there isn’t a “promoter” who will take this lad on and build him up - he either won’t get any fights or will be told the score and have to be one a journeyman
whilst I share your sentiment 100%, as you mentioned already, whilst the lad is fit, strong and moves ok, he is definitely still in the "raw" category.
plenty of really good overseas fighters who based themselves here had to play the opponent roll or take fights against people no one else wanted to fight.
Peacock had a handful of guys like that 10 years ago.
Ovil McKenzie - who finally made it to the top but took incredible mental strength to come back from those defeats as an "opponent " and cruelly came as close as you can to wining a world title, before retiring with health issues.
Erik Teymour - Russian Junior champ (beat Lebedev), Russian senior runner up (lost a close one to Makarenko in late 2000, Makarenko won the worlds in June 2001. Ended up having to match up against Sam Soliman at catch weight in his 7th fight.
Elvis Mihailenko - had to fight 6-0 prospect Tony Dodson in his 3rd fight, ref called a draw, you can draw your own conclusion there, built up a winning record, ran out of opponents, had to get in with a guy no one wanted any part of in Peter Oboh.
they are just 3 example of guys I have personal experience with who could have made it to the very highest level if they had the luxury of a well financed promoter.
Peter Oboh himself was another one, Nigerian import, not many guys at light heavy could have handled him at that time (RJJ excluded obviously) he was super fit, strong, awkward southpaw. he had to fight Mohamed Siluvangi ( 17-0 )in his sixth fight.
you can be sure the above guys seldom got a proper camp (lots of late notice jobs) and couldnt get the right fights at the right stage of their career to help them on there way.
Even the best amateurs need a number of pro fights, so they can get used to the style, lack of headguards, distance etc (this is less important now with the WBSS which bridges that gap a bit)
The sad thing is that I bet there isn’t a “promoter” who will take this lad on and build him up - he either won’t get any fights or will be told the score and have to be one a journeyman
whilst I share your sentiment 100%, as you mentioned already, whilst the lad is fit, strong and moves ok, he is definitely still in the "raw" category.
plenty of really good overseas fighters who based themselves here had to play the opponent roll or take fights against people no one else wanted to fight.
Peacock had a handful of guys like that 10 years ago.
Ovil McKenzie - who finally made it to the top but took incredible mental strength to come back from those defeats as an "opponent " and cruelly came as close as you can to wining a world title, before retiring with health issues.
Erik Teymour - Russian Junior champ (beat Lebedev), Russian senior runner up (lost a close one to Makarenko in late 2000, Makarenko won the worlds in June 2001. Ended up having to match up against Sam Soliman at catch weight in his 7th fight.
Elvis Mihailenko - had to fight 6-0 prospect Tony Dodson in his 3rd fight, ref called a draw, you can draw your own conclusion there, built up a winning record, ran out of opponents, had to get in with a guy no one wanted any part of in Peter Oboh.
they are just 3 example of guys I have personal experience with who could have made it to the very highest level if they had the luxury of a well financed promoter.
Peter Oboh himself was another one, Nigerian import, not many guys at light heavy could have handled him at that time (RJJ excluded obviously) he was super fit, strong, awkward southpaw. he had to fight Mohamed Siluvangi ( 17-0 )in his sixth fight.
you can be sure the above guys seldom got a proper camp (lots of late notice jobs) and couldnt get the right fights at the right stage of their career to help them on there way.
Even the best amateurs need a number of pro fights, so they can get used to the style, lack of headguards, distance etc (this is less important now with the WBSS which bridges that gap a bit)
Re: Mark Little cruiserweight
Posted: 30 Sep 2019, 13:56
by MasterG
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 11:32
Would there be betting on a fight at that level?
indeed.
Re: Mark Little cruiserweight
Posted: 02 Oct 2019, 04:20
by Ivor clement
I can guarantee you all that Andrius didn’t have ANY amateur bouts in Lithuania, he didn’t put a glove on until he came to live in hull about 4 years ago. He initially started at a kickboxing club and used to come to my fitness sessions. He was very very raw. I saw something in him and he picked things up pretty quick. He said we he wanted to have a go as a pro so I’ve trained him for about a 6 months properly and got him his pro license.
Re: Mark Little cruiserweight
Posted: 02 Oct 2019, 13:45
by Floyd the snake
Well done , some achievement for a debut , the hard part now will be getting him out again unless a Yorkshire based promoter will invest in you a bit .
Re: Mark Little cruiserweight
Posted: 02 Oct 2019, 15:54
by knockout
Ivor clement wrote: ↑02 Oct 2019, 04:20
I can guarantee you all that Andrius didn’t have ANY amateur bouts in Lithuania, he didn’t put a glove on until he came to live in hull about 4 years ago. He initially started at a kickboxing club and used to come to my fitness sessions. He was very very raw. I saw something in him and he picked things up pretty quick. He said we he wanted to have a go as a pro so I’ve trained him for about a 6 months properly and got him his pro license.
Good stuff ! Definitely a good athlete and presumably has to fit training around a full time job
The sad thing is that I bet there isn’t a “promoter” who will take this lad on and build him up - he either won’t get any fights or will be told the score and have to be one a journeyman
whilst I share your sentiment 100%, as you mentioned already, whilst the lad is fit, strong and moves ok, he is definitely still in the "raw" category.
plenty of really good overseas fighters who based themselves here had to play the opponent roll or take fights against people no one else wanted to fight.
Peacock had a handful of guys like that 10 years ago.
Ovil McKenzie - who finally made it to the top but took incredible mental strength to come back from those defeats as an "opponent " and cruelly came as close as you can to wining a world title, before retiring with health issues.
Erik Teymour - Russian Junior champ (beat Lebedev), Russian senior runner up (lost a close one to Makarenko in late 2000, Makarenko won the worlds in June 2001. Ended up having to match up against Sam Soliman at catch weight in his 7th fight.
Elvis Mihailenko - had to fight 6-0 prospect Tony Dodson in his 3rd fight, ref called a draw, you can draw your own conclusion there, built up a winning record, ran out of opponents, had to get in with a guy no one wanted any part of in Peter Oboh.
they are just 3 example of guys I have personal experience with who could have made it to the very highest level if they had the luxury of a well financed promoter.
Peter Oboh himself was another one, Nigerian import, not many guys at light heavy could have handled him at that time (RJJ excluded obviously) he was super fit, strong, awkward southpaw. he had to fight Mohamed Siluvangi ( 17-0 )in his sixth fight.
you can be sure the above guys seldom got a proper camp (lots of late notice jobs) and couldnt get the right fights at the right stage of their career to help them on there way.
Even the best amateurs need a number of pro fights, so they can get used to the style, lack of headguards, distance etc (this is less important now with the WBSS which bridges that gap a bit)
Great post. Also demonstrates why I really don't believe the 'if they're good enough, they're ready..." mentality. There's a skill to developing a fighter the right way...
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