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RonnyJ wrote: ↑06 Oct 2019, 12:09 robberys, gift descisions and strange SD, MD or simply delusional scoring.
we need computer scoring, a computer is unemotional, he just scores, only problem is, a computer would have a hard time to judge the difference between a soft and hard punch landed. maybe computer system for counting shots landed and additional a human judge who presses a button when someone landed a big shot.

it has to be a mix. i remember a very interresting video on yutu, when floyd fought cotto, maybe some of you know that video. in the video as shown a round (forgot which ne it was) where cotto clearly was the superior boxer in that round, landing shot after shot. the video followed the whole round and counted every landed shot of both boxer, it was a clear cotto round who outlanded him by a lot. at the end, compubox had floyd outlanding cotto in that round by a lot and this is when i knew that scoring was bs. on the other side the video showed a moment where the viewer could see the live scoring punch landing and when floyd punched a crystal clear air punch, guess what happened, punch was counted

i watched derev ggg only one half of the fight, where derev would dominate, but since i didnt watch the whole fight i cant say who truly won, all i know, would we have better scoring than there would be less drama afterwards.

Contendeh wrote: ↑06 Oct 2019, 13:12 At the end of the day, a fight that goes to the cards is going to be subjective to a certain degree.

I don’t think a lot of fans when watching fights actually score fights round by round and are way, way too quick to yell robbery at what in reality is a close fight.

@matt___s wrote: ↑06 Oct 2019, 13:21

Contendeh wrote: ↑06 Oct 2019, 13:12 At the end of the day, a fight that goes to the cards is going to be subjective to a certain degree.

I don’t think a lot of fans when watching fights actually score fights round by round and are way, way too quick to yell robbery at what in reality is a close fight.

Exactly. they tune out for most of it or are on their phones.

I don't know if you are from the UK or the states, they used to have an option to turn on 'fan commentary' for footie games on SKY.

It might be interesting to have 12 members of the public invited to be boxing judges at a card. All watching from good seats (you could raffle the opportunity), their cards would not affect the fight whatsoever.

You could even have a retired judge give the lucky 12 a training course beforehand, make a tv show out of it.

I think most fans aren't even aware of the criteria for scoring fights,

Contendeh wrote: ↑06 Oct 2019, 14:24

@matt___s wrote: ↑06 Oct 2019, 13:21

Exactly. they tune out for most of it or are on their phones.

I don't know if you are from the UK or the states, they used to have an option to turn on 'fan commentary' for footie games on SKY.

It might be interesting to have 12 members of the public invited to be boxing judges at a card. All watching from good seats (you could raffle the opportunity), their cards would not affect the fight whatsoever.

You could even have a retired judge give the lucky 12 a training course beforehand, make a tv show out of it.

I think most fans aren't even aware of the criteria for scoring fights,

American fight fan here.

I think that having a group of fight fans scoring a fight, unofficially, could be a good promotional thing for something like DAZN.

Call it Scoring the Fight or something. Always a chance that people wouldn’t care what 12 random fans would think, but people might be in to just how “off” some fans would be. Worth a shot. You got a good idea there.

@matt___s wrote: ↑06 Oct 2019, 12:35 Or you could try watching the entire fight?

RonnyJ wrote: ↑06 Oct 2019, 12:09 robberys, gift descisions and strange SD, MD or simply delusional scoring.
we need computer scoring, a computer is unemotional, he just scores, only problem is, a computer would have a hard time to judge the difference between a soft and hard punch landed. maybe computer system for counting shots landed and additional a human judge who presses a button when someone landed a big shot.

it has to be a mix. i remember a very interresting video on yutu, when floyd fought cotto, maybe some of you know that video. in the video as shown a round (forgot which ne it was) where cotto clearly was the superior boxer in that round, landing shot after shot. the video followed the whole round and counted every landed shot of both boxer, it was a clear cotto round who outlanded him by a lot. at the end, compubox had floyd outlanding cotto in that round by a lot and this is when i knew that scoring was bs. on the other side the video showed a moment where the viewer could see the live scoring punch landing and when floyd punched a crystal clear air punch, guess what happened, punch was counted

i watched derev ggg only one half of the fight, where derev would dominate, but since i didnt watch the whole fight i cant say who truly won, all i know, would we have better scoring than there would be less drama afterwards.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 07:57

RonnyJ wrote: ↑06 Oct 2019, 12:09 robberys, gift descisions and strange SD, MD or simply delusional scoring.
we need computer scoring, a computer is unemotional, he just scores, only problem is, a computer would have a hard time to judge the difference between a soft and hard punch landed. maybe computer system for counting shots landed and additional a human judge who presses a button when someone landed a big shot.

it has to be a mix. i remember a very interresting video on yutu, when floyd fought cotto, maybe some of you know that video. in the video as shown a round (forgot which ne it was) where cotto clearly was the superior boxer in that round, landing shot after shot. the video followed the whole round and counted every landed shot of both boxer, it was a clear cotto round who outlanded him by a lot. at the end, compubox had floyd outlanding cotto in that round by a lot and this is when i knew that scoring was bs. on the other side the video showed a moment where the viewer could see the live scoring punch landing and when floyd punched a crystal clear air punch, guess what happened, punch was counted

i watched derev ggg only one half of the fight, where derev would dominate, but since i didnt watch the whole fight i cant say who truly won, all i know, would we have better scoring than there would be less drama afterwards.

The great thing about people that complain about certain problems that exist in life, is that all they’re capable of identifying are flaws, they are nearly always unable of propose solutions.

If some sort of algorithm could be formulated that used objective judging criteria that was irrefutable in nature, then computer-scoring would be in place, instead of flawed humans providing imperfect opinions, based purely on a variety of subjective barometers.

What you’re essentially asking for is someone to implement a solution to the challenge you’ve posed that ensures that every single boxing fight is scored 100% according to your preferred perception of reality, because anything less would obviously fail to meet your standards!

And that’s the main problem, we’re humans with different opinions and different flaws, so it’s impossible to keep you happy without frustrating others.

RonnyJ wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 10:06 No women judges. They to emotional. You have to be calm focused. Man are better in that job.

RonnyJ wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 10:06

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 07:57
The great thing about people that complain about certain problems that exist in life, is that all they’re capable of identifying are flaws, they are nearly always unable of propose solutions.

If some sort of algorithm could be formulated that used objective judging criteria that was irrefutable in nature, then computer-scoring would be in place, instead of flawed humans providing imperfect opinions, based purely on a variety of subjective barometers.

What you’re essentially asking for is someone to implement a solution to the challenge you’ve posed that ensures that every single boxing fight is scored 100% according to your preferred perception of reality, because anything less would obviously fail to meet your standards!

And that’s the main problem, we’re humans with different opinions and different flaws, so it’s impossible to keep you happy without frustrating others.

I have solutions

Judges are anonymus/they have no dinner time with promoters or anybody who could give them $ for a favour.

They should be well paid and professional.

The schools who school judges should do a better job.

The judges should judge from a screen, at best without sound. No distractions.

No women judges. They to emotional. You have to be calm focused. Man are better in that job.

And now the most important change,
Judges should make more 10:10 rds.
It simply would be more accurate. I qatch so many fights where in a lot of rds both boxer land nothing but air and guard. How do u score that? Pac against floyd, so often they landing just nothing air or guard. Just 10:10 rds where both didnt do much or when they did they didnt land.

RonnyJ wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 10:06

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 07:57
The great thing about people that complain about certain problems that exist in life, is that all they’re capable of identifying are flaws, they are nearly always unable of propose solutions.

If some sort of algorithm could be formulated that used objective judging criteria that was irrefutable in nature, then computer-scoring would be in place, instead of flawed humans providing imperfect opinions, based purely on a variety of subjective barometers.

What you’re essentially asking for is someone to implement a solution to the challenge you’ve posed that ensures that every single boxing fight is scored 100% according to your preferred perception of reality, because anything less would obviously fail to meet your standards!

And that’s the main problem, we’re humans with different opinions and different flaws, so it’s impossible to keep you happy without frustrating others.

I have solutions

Judges are anonymus/they have no dinner time with promoters or anybody who could give them $ for a favour.

They should be well paid and professional.

The schools who school judges should do a better job.

The judges should judge from a screen, at best without sound. No distractions.

No women judges. They to emotional. You have to be calm focused. Man are better in that job.

And now the most important change,
Judges should make more 10:10 rds.
It simply would be more accurate. I qatch so many fights where in a lot of rds both boxer land nothing but air and guard. How do u score that? Pac against floyd, so often they landing just nothing air or guard. Just 10:10 rds where both didnt do much or when they did they didnt land.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Oct 2019, 05:27

RonnyJ wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 10:06

I have solutions

Judges are anonymus/they have no dinner time with promoters or anybody who could give them $ for a favour.

They should be well paid and professional.

The schools who school judges should do a better job.

The judges should judge from a screen, at best without sound. No distractions.

No women judges. They to emotional. You have to be calm focused. Man are better in that job.

And now the most important change,
Judges should make more 10:10 rds.
It simply would be more accurate. I qatch so many fights where in a lot of rds both boxer land nothing but air and guard. How do u score that? Pac against floyd, so often they landing just nothing air or guard. Just 10:10 rds where both didnt do much or when they did they didnt land.

Your list is based on unsubstatiated assumptions, but can you justify them by providing evidence to support your hypothesis.

For instance:

• Do you know for certain the boxing officials regularly dine with fighters, promoters, TV networks etc. and are unduly influenced by their relationships with those parties?

• Do you know for certain that boxing officials are underpaid and are influenced by the lure of receiving undisclosed payments from corrupt fighters, promoters, TV networks etc?

• You say that schools “should do a better job”, but do you know anything about these so-called schools?

• Apart from a couple of high-profile examples, can you provide proof that draws an accurate comparison of the judging ability of males and females? For example: the percentage of dubious scorecards from all the fights judged during the last five years. Your opinion on this matter portrays yourself as being a misogynist!

And the list goes on-and-on…

No offence but claiming that someone “should do better” isn’t a solution, it’s the ultimate goal. You should be explaining how the ultimate objective can achieved. And you’ve not done that!

RonnyJ wrote: ↑11 Oct 2019, 05:49

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Oct 2019, 05:27
Your list is based on unsubstatiated assumptions, but can you justify them by providing evidence to support your hypothesis.

For instance:

• Do you know for certain the boxing officials regularly dine with fighters, promoters, TV networks etc. and are unduly influenced by their relationships with those parties?

• Do you know for certain that boxing officials are underpaid and are influenced by the lure of receiving undisclosed payments from corrupt fighters, promoters, TV networks etc?

• You say that schools “should do a better job”, but do you know anything about these so-called schools?

• Apart from a couple of high-profile examples, can you provide proof that draws an accurate comparison of the judging ability of males and females? For example: the percentage of dubious scorecards from all the fights judged during the last five years. Your opinion on this matter portrays yourself as being a misogynist!

And the list goes on-and-on…

No offence but claiming that someone “should do better” isn’t a solution, it’s the ultimate goal. You should be explaining how the ultimate objective can achieved. And you’ve not done that!

I read the first sentence and right away knew what u were writing was nonsense.

U love to sound smart.

kbackup408 wrote: ↑11 Oct 2019, 07:05 I can see the fella who asked this question fails to acknowledge boxing is a subjective sport - perfect doesn't exist in boxing or in life for that fact!

kbackup408 wrote: ↑11 Oct 2019, 07:05 I can see the fella who asked this question fails to acknowledge boxing is a subjective sport - perfect doesn't exist in boxing or in life for that fact!