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It's gotta be Shawn Porter v Terence Crawford

Posted: 21 Oct 2019, 01:35
by Evander
Errol Spence is out of the picture until mid to late next year.
What does that leave us ?
Shawn Porter v Terence Crawford
If Porter's performance against Errol Spence is anything to go by he's more than a worthy opponent.

What do you think ?

Re: It's gotta be Shawn Porter v Terence Crawford

Posted: 21 Oct 2019, 01:58
by Ruthless-RKO
Yes.. Porter has already fought the best PBC guys.. apart from Pac.. it would just be rematches.. he may as well take some ESPN money.

Re: It's gotta be Shawn Porter v Terence Crawford

Posted: 21 Oct 2019, 03:22
by Enlightened-One
Shawn Porter won’t be facing Terence Crawford anytime soon. It ain’t going to happen.

People already know the reason why, but they must be ignoring it.

Re: It's gotta be Shawn Porter v Terence Crawford

Posted: 21 Oct 2019, 04:44
by stellar
Why?

Re: It's gotta be Shawn Porter v Terence Crawford

Posted: 21 Oct 2019, 06:01
by Enlightened-One
stellar wrote: 21 Oct 2019, 04:44Why?
The PBC don’t recognise Terence Crawford or the WBO in any of their Fox/Showtime broadcasts.

Bob Arum was demanding a 50-50 split for the purses, promotion & network coverage in order to stage a potential Crawford-Spence Jr. fight, despite the fact that Bud’s commercial worth, in terms of audience figures, PPV buys, revenue generation, sporting accomplishments at 147lbs, is nowhere near Errol’s. It’s not even close. So Top Rank are pricing themselves out of big fights.

Also, the PBC roster at 147lbs can achieve big numbers, commercially, by facing their stablemates within the same weight class, as well as those competing at 140lbs and 154lbs.

In stark contrast, Terence Crawford has no viable options at welterweight. Top Rank can’t make the big fights happen.

To make matters worse, Bob Arum has done his upmost to ridicule and criticise Al Haymon in the media, which achieves nothing but burn bridges, scuppering the possibility of certain bouts being made!

The Top Rank boss had also previously filed a frivolous lawsuit against the PBC chief (alleging that Haymon had violated the federal Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act) that was quickly dismissed by the judge before the case even reached court and then Bob subsequently dropped the appeal.

And let’s be perfectly honest, if beating the likes of Spence Jr., Pacquiao, Thurman, Porter & Garcia were high on Terence Crawford’s list of priorities, he wouldn’t have recently extended his contract with Bob Arum’s Top Rank. Bud must have surely known that not signing with the PBC would limit his opportunities. The American obviously preferred to cash in Top Rank/ESPN’s cheques rather than engage in legacy bouts.

There are no compelling sporting or commercial reasons for any of the big-name PBC guys to consider facing Terence Crawford, because the ESPN fighter doesn’t generate a lot of money and his sporting credentials at 147lbs aren’t impressive either.

Simply put, the PBC and Top Rank won’t work with each other (to stage bouts between their biggest names) unless mega-money is involved. The same rule generally applies (barring a few exceptions) with Top Rank and DAZN, as well as the PBC and DAZN.

These boxing content providers will be reluctant to work with each other if they have to share the proceeds of staging marquee events (involving cross-promotional/cross-network fighters) with their business rivals.

Everything I’ve written in this post has been well-documented by the media numerous times.

I believe that fight fans prefer to ignore the commercial aspect of boxing, because it’s not a particularly interesting topic, despite it being the most influential factor preventing certain high-profile fights from being made.

Re: It's gotta be Shawn Porter v Terence Crawford

Posted: 21 Oct 2019, 15:47
by drunkenpiper36
Enlightened-One wrote: 21 Oct 2019, 06:01
stellar wrote: 21 Oct 2019, 04:44Why?
The PBC don’t recognise Terence Crawford or the WBO in any of their Fox/Showtime broadcasts.

Bob Arum was demanding a 50-50 split for the purses, promotion & network coverage in order to stage a potential Crawford-Spence Jr. fight, despite the fact that Bud’s commercial worth, in terms of audience figures, PPV buys, revenue generation, sporting accomplishments at 147lbs, is nowhere near Errol’s. It’s not even close. So Top Rank are pricing themselves out of big fights.

Also, the PBC roster at 147lbs can achieve big numbers, commercially, by facing their stablemates within the same weight class, as well as those competing at 140lbs and 154lbs.

In stark contrast, Terence Crawford has no viable options at welterweight. Top Rank can’t make the big fights happen.

To make matters worse, Bob Arum has done his upmost to ridicule and criticise Al Haymon in the media, which achieves nothing but burn bridges, scuppering the possibility of certain bouts being made!

The Top Rank boss had also previously filed a frivolous lawsuit against the PBC chief (alleging that Haymon had violated the federal Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act) that was quickly dismissed by the judge before the case even reached court and then Bob subsequently dropped the appeal.

And let’s be perfectly honest, if beating the likes of Spence Jr., Pacquiao, Thurman, Porter & Garcia were high on Terence Crawford’s list of priorities, he wouldn’t have recently extended his contract with Bob Arum’s Top Rank. Bud must have surely known that not signing with the PBC would limit his opportunities. The American obviously preferred to cash in Top Rank/ESPN’s cheques rather than engage in legacy bouts.

There are no compelling sporting or commercial reasons for any of the big-name PBC guys to consider facing Terence Crawford, because the ESPN fighter doesn’t generate a lot of money and his sporting credentials at 147lbs aren’t impressive either.

Simply put, the PBC and Top Rank won’t work with each other (to stage bouts between their biggest names) unless mega-money is involved. The same rule generally applies (barring a few exceptions) with Top Rank and DAZN, as well as the PBC and DAZN.

These boxing content providers will be reluctant to work with each other if they have to share the proceeds of staging marquee events (involving cross-promotional/cross-network fighters) with their business rivals.

Everything I’ve written in this post has been well-documented by the media numerous times.

I believe that fight fans prefer to ignore the commercial aspect of boxing, because it’s not a particularly interesting topic, despite it being the most influential factor preventing certain high-profile fights from being made.
Makes total sense. I think we as the boxing fans killed the sport decades ago when we agreed to pay outrageous fees for closed circuit events. From that point the greed just grew and grew.

Re: It's gotta be Shawn Porter v Terence Crawford

Posted: 21 Oct 2019, 17:07
by siablo14
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 21 Oct 2019, 01:58 Yes.. Porter has already fought the best PBC guys.. apart from Pac.. it would just be rematches.. he may as well take some ESPN money.
PBC will not throw Top Rank a bone.

Re: It's gotta be Shawn Porter v Terence Crawford

Posted: 21 Oct 2019, 17:15
by siablo14
drunkenpiper36 wrote: 21 Oct 2019, 15:47
Enlightened-One wrote: 21 Oct 2019, 06:01
The PBC don’t recognise Terence Crawford or the WBO in any of their Fox/Showtime broadcasts.

Bob Arum was demanding a 50-50 split for the purses, promotion & network coverage in order to stage a potential Crawford-Spence Jr. fight, despite the fact that Bud’s commercial worth, in terms of audience figures, PPV buys, revenue generation, sporting accomplishments at 147lbs, is nowhere near Errol’s. It’s not even close. So Top Rank are pricing themselves out of big fights.

Also, the PBC roster at 147lbs can achieve big numbers, commercially, by facing their stablemates within the same weight class, as well as those competing at 140lbs and 154lbs.

In stark contrast, Terence Crawford has no viable options at welterweight. Top Rank can’t make the big fights happen.

To make matters worse, Bob Arum has done his upmost to ridicule and criticise Al Haymon in the media, which achieves nothing but burn bridges, scuppering the possibility of certain bouts being made!

The Top Rank boss had also previously filed a frivolous lawsuit against the PBC chief (alleging that Haymon had violated the federal Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act) that was quickly dismissed by the judge before the case even reached court and then Bob subsequently dropped the appeal.

And let’s be perfectly honest, if beating the likes of Spence Jr., Pacquiao, Thurman, Porter & Garcia were high on Terence Crawford’s list of priorities, he wouldn’t have recently extended his contract with Bob Arum’s Top Rank. Bud must have surely known that not signing with the PBC would limit his opportunities. The American obviously preferred to cash in Top Rank/ESPN’s cheques rather than engage in legacy bouts.

There are no compelling sporting or commercial reasons for any of the big-name PBC guys to consider facing Terence Crawford, because the ESPN fighter doesn’t generate a lot of money and his sporting credentials at 147lbs aren’t impressive either.

Simply put, the PBC and Top Rank won’t work with each other (to stage bouts between their biggest names) unless mega-money is involved. The same rule generally applies (barring a few exceptions) with Top Rank and DAZN, as well as the PBC and DAZN.

These boxing content providers will be reluctant to work with each other if they have to share the proceeds of staging marquee events (involving cross-promotional/cross-network fighters) with their business rivals.

Everything I’ve written in this post has been well-documented by the media numerous times.

I believe that fight fans prefer to ignore the commercial aspect of boxing, because it’s not a particularly interesting topic, despite it being the most influential factor preventing certain high-profile fights from being made.
Makes total sense. I think we as the boxing fans killed the sport decades ago when we agreed to pay outrageous fees for closed circuit events. From that point the greed just grew and grew.
And when we started respecting any old belt that came along. i wonder if the iBO will ever be as respected as the others. imagine to become undisputed you need to win five belts. :verysad:

Re: It's gotta be Shawn Porter v Terence Crawford

Posted: 21 Oct 2019, 17:34
by ewenhay
siablo14 wrote: 21 Oct 2019, 17:15
drunkenpiper36 wrote: 21 Oct 2019, 15:47

Makes total sense. I think we as the boxing fans killed the sport decades ago when we agreed to pay outrageous fees for closed circuit events. From that point the greed just grew and grew.
And when we started respecting any old belt that came along. i wonder if the iBO will ever be as respected as the others. imagine to become undisputed you need to win five belts. :verysad:
I still don't recognise the wbo, let alone the ibo.

Re: It's gotta be Shawn Porter v Terence Crawford

Posted: 21 Oct 2019, 18:26
by siablo14
ewenhay wrote: 21 Oct 2019, 17:34
siablo14 wrote: 21 Oct 2019, 17:15
And when we started respecting any old belt that came along. i wonder if the iBO will ever be as respected as the others. imagine to become undisputed you need to win five belts. :verysad:
I still don't recognise the wbo, let alone the ibo.
i guess you can roll with PBC then because they don't either. :OhYes:

Re: It's gotta be Shawn Porter v Terence Crawford

Posted: 22 Oct 2019, 06:23
by Bandog
It will cost Top Rank a little money, but Crawford needs some big fights. They low-balled Danny Garcia. (Good money but $1 million less than they gave Khan). DG would have fought if the money was right., so the PBC vs TR thing is bogus. They also could put Thurman vs Crawford. These are the fights the fans want, and hopefully they make them. If not, why not have Crawford fight Brook? He has publicly said he wants that fight.

Re: It's gotta be Shawn Porter v Terence Crawford

Posted: 22 Oct 2019, 08:01
by Enlightened-One
Bandog wrote: 22 Oct 2019, 06:23...why not have Crawford fight Brook? [Kell] has publicly said he wants that fight.
The problem with Kell Brook, is that by the time he resumes his boxing career, 5½ years would have passed since he’s beaten a world-rated opponent, coupled with the fact he would’ve been inactive for over a year. The Brit has become irrelevant.

Even Bob Arum claims that Kell Brook “means NOTHING anymore” and won’t be facing Terence Crawford, since it wouldn’t be regarded as a credible win for the American. The Brit is also pretty much considered an anonymous name on US shores.

Re: It's gotta be Shawn Porter v Terence Crawford

Posted: 22 Oct 2019, 12:02
by Jeff_lacy_ko
I could see this happening. Thirman and Spence are out.... may e if pacman doesnt want to fight shawn this happens