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BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 18:18
by dagilechia
Current ranking:

1. πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ Tyson Fury - 29(20) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ Deontay Wilder - 41(40) 0 1 - next fight: 23.11.2019 vs πŸ‡¨πŸ‡Ί Luis Ortiz - 31(26) 1(1) 0 - (#7)

3. πŸ‡²πŸ‡½ Andy Ruiz Jr - 33(22) 1(0) 0 - next fight: 07.12.2019 vs πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ Anthony Joshua - 22(21) 1(1) 0 - (#4)

4. πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ Anthony Joshua - 22(21) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 07.12.2019 vs πŸ‡²πŸ‡½ Andy Ruiz Jr - 33(22) 1(0) 0 - (#3)

5. πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ Dillian Whyte - 26(18) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

6. πŸ‡·πŸ‡Ί Alexander Povetkin - 35(24) 2(1) 0 - next fight: 07.12.2019 vs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ Michael Hunter - 18(12) 1(0) 0 - (#15)

7. πŸ‡¨πŸ‡Ί Luis Ortiz - 31(26) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 23.11.2019 vs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ Deontay Wilder - 41(40) 0 1 - (#2)

8. πŸ‡§πŸ‡¬ Kubrat Pulev - 27(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 09.11.2019 vs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ Rydell Booker - 26(13) 2(0) 0 - (unranked, BoxRec's #124)

9. πŸ‡³πŸ‡Ώ Joseph Parker - 26(20) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ Oleksandr Usyk - 17(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

11. πŸ‡¨πŸ‡΄ Γ“scar Rivas - 26(18) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

12. πŸ‡΅πŸ‡± Adam Kownacki - 20(15) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

13. πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ Dereck Chisora - 32(23) 9(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. πŸ‡­πŸ‡· Filip HrgoviΔ‡ - 9(7) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ Michael Hunter - 18(12) 1(0) 0 - next fight: 07.12.2019 vs πŸ‡·πŸ‡Ί Alexander Povetkin - 35(24) 2(1) 0 - (#6)

Question: How are the rankings affected by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ Dereck Chisora's TKO 4 win over πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ David Price?

My vote: no change.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 18:34
by oogiebe
NO CHANGE. Great win for Chis, but a win over Price doesn't move him up over anyone else. He's in the right spot now.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 18:37
by tiny_acres
Chisora is a tough bastard. But who is his biggest win?
Takam ? Malika Scott? Kevin Johnson? Saviv Price?
I mean he puts up a good battle with everyone but he normally loses the big ones.

I vote both out

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 18:42
by oogiebe
tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 18:37 Chisora is a tough bastard. But who is his biggest win?
Takam ? Malika Scott? Kevin Johnson? Saviv Price?
I mean he puts up a good battle with everyone but he normally loses the big ones.

I vote both out
A bit harsh on Chis don't ya' think? Only Chis is rated. Just thought I'd let ya' know! :TU:

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 18:46
by Lennox
Up one place in front of Kownacki.

DC has had a good year. I expected him to beat Price but in 4 rounds deserves a slight UP movement for me.

Great top 10-15 Gatekeeper.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 18:48
by oogiebe
Lennox wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 18:46 Up one place in front of Kownacki.

DC has had a good year. I expected him to beat Price but in 4 rounds deserves a slight UP movement for me.

Great top 10-15 Gatekeeper.
I'll change my vote based on that. Kownacki doesn't impress me besides. CHISORA UP ONE. KOWNACKI DOWN ONE.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 19:09
by Pukka Cheese
Chisora to 12.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 19:16
by ewenhay
No change.

Looks good on paper for Chisora who did everything right tonight but the big lad shouldn't be boxing anymore.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 19:19
by margaret thatcher
tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 18:37 Chisora is a tough bastard. But who is his biggest win?
Takam ? Malika Scott? Kevin Johnson? Saviv Price?
I mean he puts up a good battle with everyone but he normally loses the big ones.

I vote both out
Takam, Szpilka, Scott, Price, and easily beat up Helenius. And yes, the mighty Kev Johnson. That's not too bad at all for the lower top 15 and 3 of those are in just over the last year, so recent wins. He also gave absolute hell to a guy ranked top 5. Did you vote Efe in the top 15 one time or am I misremembering?

Chis lost legitimately to very good opposition for the most part. Vitali, prime Haye, Pulev, Fury x2, Whyte x2. No HW around is going through that list with all wins. Kabayel is really the only hiccup.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 20:08
by tiny_acres
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 19:19
tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 18:37 Chisora is a tough bastard. But who is his biggest win?
Takam ? Malika Scott? Kevin Johnson? Saviv Price?
I mean he puts up a good battle with everyone but he normally loses the big ones.

I vote both out
Takam, Szpilka, Scott, Price, and easily beat up Helenius. And yes, the mighty Kev Johnson. That's not too bad at all for the lower top 15 and 3 of those are in just over the last year, so recent wins. He also gave absolute hell to a guy ranked top 5. Did you vote Efe in the top 15 one time or am I misremembering?

Chis lost legitimately to very good opposition for the most part. Vitali, prime Haye, Pulev, Fury x2, Whyte x2. No HW around is going through that list with all wins. Kabayel is really the only hiccup.
No sir I made the comment at the time of Efe voting that he made my top 25 but not my top 15.
I've stated numerous times that Chisora also makes my top 25 but not top 15.

We are all voting for what we think the fighter should be rated. I don't argue that some of the fighters that are in our top 15 are either not in my personal top 15. Or they're e in different order.
This is the way I thought we were supposed to vote. Vote for where we think they should be when their name comes up for voting

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 20:13
by Contendeh
No change.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 20:36
by Finkel
Chisora to #11

He is on a resurgent late career run.

Don't think Rivas has the resume to warrant being above him yet, and I don't think losing a UD to Whyte warrants it

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 20:37
by oogiebe
Finkel wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 20:36 Chisora to #11

He is on a resurgent late career run.

Don't think Rivas has the resume to warrant being above him yet, and I don't think losing a UD to Whyte warrants it
Chis got KO'd clean by Whyte. You may want to re-think that one.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 20:41
by Finkel
oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 20:37
Finkel wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 20:36 Chisora to #11

He is on a resurgent late career run.

Don't think Rivas has the resume to warrant being above him yet, and I don't think losing a UD to Whyte warrants it


Chis got KO'd clean by Whyte. You may want to re-think that one.
Whyte got really lucky with a fortuitous points deduction against chisora, which caused Chisora to get reckless thinking he was behind of the cards. Chisora was up on two of the cards when Whyte caught him

In the first Whyte fight many saw Chisora as the winner as well

But if you like, we could say
Chisora knocked Takam out clean and that is better than Rivas TKO of a late career Jennings

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 20:52
by tiny_acres
Finkel wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 20:36 Chisora to #11

He is on a resurgent late career run.

Don't think Rivas has the resume to warrant being above him yet, and I don't think losing a UD to Whyte warrants it
7-4 in his last 11 dating back 3 years.
Not much of a resurgence

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 20:54
by oogiebe
tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 20:52
Finkel wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 20:36 Chisora to #11

He is on a resurgent late career run.

Don't think Rivas has the resume to warrant being above him yet, and I don't think losing a UD to Whyte warrants it
7-4 in his last 11 dating back 3 years.
Not much of a resurgence
The man likes Chis. We're all fans of somebody. :maybe:

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 20:56
by tiny_acres
oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 20:54
tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 20:52

7-4 in his last 11 dating back 3 years.
Not much of a resurgence
The man likes Chis. We're all fans of somebody. :maybe:
Well heck yeah. Hes fun to watch. But I don't rate him as high as most do.
But I enjoy watching him

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 20:59
by oogiebe
tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 20:56
oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 20:54
The man likes Chis. We're all fans of somebody. :maybe:
Well heck yeah. Hes fun to watch. But I don't rate him as high as most do.
But I enjoy watching him
I think 11 or 12 is fair. I had no change at first, but then changed it putting Chis over Kownacki who I don't rate much.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 21:33
by margaret thatcher
tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 20:52
Finkel wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 20:36 Chisora to #11

He is on a resurgent late career run.

Don't think Rivas has the resume to warrant being above him yet, and I don't think losing a UD to Whyte warrants it
7-4 in his last 11 dating back 3 years.
Not much of a resurgence
Within the last year knockouts of Takam, Szpilka, and Price, with a fight between where he was ahead on points in the 11th vs a top ranked guy. Pretty solid recently I'd say.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 21:34
by margaret thatcher
oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 20:37
Finkel wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 20:36 Chisora to #11

He is on a resurgent late career run.

Don't think Rivas has the resume to warrant being above him yet, and I don't think losing a UD to Whyte warrants it
Chis got KO'd clean by Whyte. You may want to re-think that one.
Chis was also ahead, Rivas was nowhere near that even with a KD. Whyte had a lot more problems with Chis I'd say. He was basically in control bar a few rounds at most vs Rivas.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 21:36
by oogiebe
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 21:34
oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 20:37

Chis got KO'd clean by Whyte. You may want to re-think that one.
Chis was also ahead, Rivas was nowhere near that even with a KD. Whyte had a lot more problems with Chis I'd say. He was basically in control bar a few rounds at most vs Rivas.
Rivas almost had Whyte out of there. Let's see how the voting goes.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 21:37
by margaret thatcher
No he didn't, watch it and tell me where. Whyte got dropped and then Rivas hardly did anything with him after that. Chisora was clearly more competitive with Whyte and was ahead in the 11th.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 21:38
by oogiebe
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 21:37 No he didn't, watch it and tell me where. Whyte got dropped and then Rivas hardly did anything with him after that. Chisora was clearly more competitive with Whyte and was ahead in the 11th.
ok.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 21:39
by Paci
Price all respect too him for taking the fight, but he belonings on the European level at least. Didn't look good at all. Chisora just did what he had to do and won early.

No change. More that Chisora is solid around the 10-15. and might going up in the 10s or something, depends on how he fights next and wins.

Re: BoxRec Forum HW TOP 15 update - Chisora vs Price

Posted: 26 Oct 2019, 21:41
by margaret thatcher
tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 20:08
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Oct 2019, 19:19

Takam, Szpilka, Scott, Price, and easily beat up Helenius. And yes, the mighty Kev Johnson. That's not too bad at all for the lower top 15 and 3 of those are in just over the last year, so recent wins. He also gave absolute hell to a guy ranked top 5. Did you vote Efe in the top 15 one time or am I misremembering?

Chis lost legitimately to very good opposition for the most part. Vitali, prime Haye, Pulev, Fury x2, Whyte x2. No HW around is going through that list with all wins. Kabayel is really the only hiccup.
No sir I made the comment at the time of Efe voting that he made my top 25 but not my top 15.
I've stated numerous times that Chisora also makes my top 25 but not top 15.

We are all voting for what we think the fighter should be rated. I don't argue that some of the fighters that are in our top 15 are either not in my personal top 15. Or they're e in different order.
This is the way I thought we were supposed to vote. Vote for where we think they should be when their name comes up for voting
Just curious what your 10-15 looks like