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Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 17:12**

I’m disappointed about hearing this last minute but how will it really effect Kovalev. It can’t help him in my opinion but will it make a significant difference in his performance?

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 17:56**

Sergey Kovalev faced the IBF champion as recently as last year, so what difference does it make?

Krusher accepted the terms and signed the contract.

So what exactly are you claiming to be unfair?

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 17:57**

I imagine it will have some effect, they insisted on it for a reason.

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:00**

Controversial wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 17:57 I imagine it will have some effect, they insisted on it for a reason.

No, no, no, no, no.... Please isolate the issue you have with this?

Krusher was willing to face other fighters last year for less money whilst adhering to precisely the same terms, so why the application of double-standards?

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:02**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 18:00
Controversial wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 17:57 I imagine it will have some effect, they insisted on it for a reason.
No, no, no, no, no.... Please isolate the issue you have with this?

Krusher was willing to face other fighters last year for less money whilst adhering to precisely the same terms, so why the application of double-standards?

I was unaware he did, what fights were they?

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:05**

Controversial wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 18:02
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 18:00
No, no, no, no, no.... Please isolate the issue you have with this?

Krusher was willing to face other fighters last year for less money whilst adhering to precisely the same terms, so why the application of double-standards?
I was unaware he did, what fights were they?

I stand corrected, Krusher has fought under IBF rules before and for some reason I thought Alvarez held that belt... and I was wrong.

Instead he fought Andre Ward for the IBF strap, which uses the same 10lbs rehydration stipulation.

Actually Krusher fought for the IBF title quite a few times against lesser foes than Canelo.

Did anybody cry or get angry then?

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:10**

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:11**

Controversial wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 17:57 I imagine it will have some effect, they insisted on it for a reason.

Yes, a calculated move.

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:17**

Rehydration should be purely up to governing body policy not added to contracts in my opinion. Weight classes have rules and to fight for belts it should be those rules and those rules only.

As for the people saying kov has fought for ibf many times, I thought ibf only had a 10lb hydration clause if it was the only belt at stake and kovs recent ibf fights have also had other belts at stake... I wouldn't of though a hydration condition would of applied to those fights.

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:25**

People are outraged about Sergey Kovalev having to weigh 185lbs or less for the second day weigh-in, whilst conveniently forgetting about the fact the Russian adhered to those precise stipulations against the following opposition:

• Andre Ward (twice)
• Isaac Chilemba
• Jean Pascal
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Jean Pascal
• Bernard Hopkins
• Cornelius White

The same people were also outraged about the very same 10lbs rehydration clause being implemented for Canelo’s bout against Danny Jacobs, despite the fact the American actually held the IBF championship (he captured the vacant title the fight prior by defeating Sergiy Derevyanchenko).

Canelo and Jacobs were both accustomed to competing under the same stipulations that Canelo’s team requested, they were also being paid handsomely and they both signed the contract and took the fight.

So what’s the problem? Why are people so upset about this?

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:25**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 17:56 Sergey Kovalev faced the IBF champion as recently as last year, so what difference does it make?

Krusher accepted the terms and signed the contract.

So what exactly are you claiming to be unfair?

Wasn’t that 2 years ago?

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:29**

gregregegg wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 18:17I thought ibf only had a 10lb hydration clause if it was the only belt at stake and kovs recent ibf fights have also had other belts at stake...

Wrong! Once again, people are jumping to conclusions!

The IBF only dropped the second day weigh-in’s for unified title fights after Kovalev had already tasted defeat twice to Andre Ward.

People are looking for excuses to criticise Canelo without bothering to fact-check any of their claims!

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:29**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 18:25
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 17:56 Sergey Kovalev faced the IBF champion as recently as last year, so what difference does it make?

Krusher accepted the terms and signed the contract.

So what exactly are you claiming to be unfair?
Wasn’t that 2 years ago?

I beat you to it. Please read some of my other posts in this thread, where I corrected myself.

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:30**

People are outraged about Sergey Kovalev having to weigh 185lbs or less for the second day weigh-in, whilst conveniently forgetting about the fact the Russian adhered to those precise stipulations against the following opposition:

• Andre Ward (twice)
• Isaac Chilemba
• Jean Pascal
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Jean Pascal
• Bernard Hopkins
• Cornelius White

The same people were also outraged about the very same 10lbs rehydration clause being implemented for Canelo’s bout against Danny Jacobs, despite the fact the American actually held the IBF championship (he captured the vacant title the fight prior by defeating Sergiy Derevyanchenko).

Kovalev and Jacobs were both accustomed to competing under the same stipulations that Canelo’s team requested, they were also being paid handsomely and they both signed the contract and took the fight.

So what’s the problem? Why are people so upset about this?

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:41**

boxers on fight night should belong to the SAME weight class, period...

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:42**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 18:29
gregregegg wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 18:17I thought ibf only had a 10lb hydration clause if it was the only belt at stake and kovs recent ibf fights have also had other belts at stake...
Wrong! Once again, people are jumping to conclusions!

The IBF only dropped the second day weigh-in’s for unified title fights after Kovalev had already tasted defeat twice to Andre Ward.

People are looking for excuses to criticise Canelo without bothering to fact-check any of their claims!

Ok that was wrong.but I'm not against ibf having rules and people having to stick to them. I am against fighters being able to add there own rules. In my opinion I think rules should be purely up to the governing bodies and consitent, I don't think cash cows should be able to change rules especially in title fights. This isn't me against Canelo this is me against being able to write rules into contracts. I'd have the same problem if AJ requested 14 ounce gloves against Ruiz or any other similar stipulations.

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:44**

greg wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 18:41 boxers on fight night should belong to the SAME weight class, period...

In the context of the Canelo-Koavelv situation, what do you mean by this? Are you familiar with Krusher's IBF title fights?

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:47**

gregregegg wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 18:42
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 18:29

Wrong! Once again, people are jumping to conclusions!

The IBF only dropped the second day weigh-in’s for unified title fights after Kovalev had already tasted defeat twice to Andre Ward.

People are looking for excuses to criticise Canelo without bothering to fact-check any of their claims!
Ok that was wrong.but I'm not against ibf having rules and people having to stick to them. I am against fighters being able to add there own rules. In my opinion I think rules should be purely up to the governing bodies and consitent, I don't think cash cows should be able to change rules especially in title fights. This isn't me against Canelo this is me against being able to write rules into contracts. I'd have the same problem if AJ requested 14 ounce gloves against Ruiz or any other similar stipulations.

Fair enough, but Sergey isn’t a victim here. He is being compensated handsomely.

The Russian is an experienced pro that agreed to stipulations that he’s already very accustomed to, since he's faced lesser foes than Canelo under precisely the same conditions.

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:53**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 18:44
greg wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 18:41 boxers on fight night should belong to the SAME weight class, period...
In the context of the Canelo-Koavelv situation, what do you mean by this? Are you familiar with Krusher's IBF title fights?

both should weigh between 168 pounds and 175 pounds on fight night, precedents of the past shouldn't be relevant and used as an excuse...

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:58**

Settle down EO you’re very emotional. This is a topic/factor that people are allowed to discuss. The title of the thread is a question. One which you haven’t answered, I assume that you think the clause won’t effect him.

Given years have passed since he held those fights you have mentioned I believe it will. I’m not sure how much, surely it can’t help him.

Kovalev is receiving a career high pay day. Canelo is the lottery ticket however it comes with some stipulations.

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:58**

According to the Basement Gym Boxing website, which specialises in documenting the unofficial rehydration ring weights of fighters (as per the information conveyed by the networks’ commentators), Sergey Kovalev’s rehydrated ring weight for the first bout against Eleider Alvarez was 185lbs, with the Colombian weighing 187lbs.

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 18:59**

lazboy wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 18:58 Settle down EO you’re very emotional. This is a topic/factor that people are allowed to discuss. The title of the thread is a question. One which you haven’t answered, I assume that you think the clause won’t effect him.

Given years have passed since he held those fights you have mentioned I believe it will. I’m not sure how much, surely it can’t help him.

Kovalev is receiving a career high pay day. Canelo is the lottery ticket however it comes with some stipulations.

What's so emotional about the following post, which is mainly comprised of facts?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 18:30 People are outraged about Sergey Kovalev having to weigh 185lbs or less for the second day weigh-in, whilst conveniently forgetting about the fact the Russian adhered to those precise stipulations against the following opposition:

• Andre Ward (twice)
• Isaac Chilemba
• Jean Pascal
• Nadjib Mohammedi
• Jean Pascal
• Bernard Hopkins
• Cornelius White

The same people were also outraged about the very same 10lbs rehydration clause being implemented for Canelo’s bout against Danny Jacobs, despite the fact the American actually held the IBF championship (he captured the vacant title the fight prior by defeating Sergiy Derevyanchenko).

Kovalev and Jacobs were both accustomed to competing under the same stipulations that Canelo’s team requested, they were also being paid handsomely and they both signed the contract and took the fight.

So what’s the problem? Why are people so upset about this?

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 19:02**

The post seems very irrational. You claim people are outraged and upset. Where is this coming from? I was disappointed to hear of it, for a number of reasons, those being future Canelo fights and betting reasons. There have been a number of deaths in boxing recently however I haven’t reached a level of outrage.

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 19:04**

Here’s a list of Sergey Kovalev’s unofficial network commentator announced rehydration ring weights against the following opponents:

• Eleider Alvarez (first fight) = 185lbs
• Nadjib Mohammedi = 183.5lbs
• Jean Pascal = 189lbs
• Bernard Hopkins = 188lbs
• Blake Caparello = 185lbs
• Cedric Agnew = 183lbs
• Ismayl Sillakh = 181lbs

Posted: **01 Nov 2019, 19:07**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Nov 2019, 19:04 Here’s a list of Sergey Kovalev’s unofficial network commentator announced rehydration ring weights against the following opponents:

• Eleider Alvarez (first fight) = 185lbs
• Nadjib Mohammedi = 183.5lbs
• Jean Pascal = 189lbs
• Bernard Hopkins = 188lbs
• Blake Caparello = 185lbs
• Cedric Agnew = 183lbs
• Ismayl Sillakh = 181lbs

Maybe it won’t effect him to a significant degree. However some of those fights were several years ago. Why do you think Team Canelo included the clause?

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