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The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 08 Nov 2019, 01:55
by RonnyJ
Ones the bible of boxing
Than they had ronda rousey on the cover. What has she to do with boxing, absolutly nothing!
Now this, Canelo p4p #1
So you lose 80 % of the rds against an old man, than when he gasses out have your KO and thats how you become the best boxer in the world. Come on, what a disaster is this. Just horrible.
Inoue, Loma are the only 2 names worthy of a p4p King discussion.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 08 Nov 2019, 05:08
by Szaman
That 'old man' was a top fighter and current world champion in Kovalev who was a past his best version yes but still good as his two victories this year over two top 10 opponents in Eider Alvarez and Anthony Yarde proved, cmon have a litle respect.
And Usyk is clearly worthy of P4P number 1 discussion too.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 08 Nov 2019, 05:31
by Onetimeonly
Crawford is the best to my eyes, resume is easily canelo. Ring magazine hasn't been relevant in ages.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 08 Nov 2019, 05:42
by banjo
I've not bought Ring Magazine in a very long time, my pet peeve was each new issue was already well out of date by the time I got it.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 08 Nov 2019, 05:48
by Noxy
I never really liked the Ring, although I bought it enough times back in the day. I found it kind of pompous for a magazine.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 08 Nov 2019, 05:56
by Ruthless-RKO
TBRB have also put it at #1..
http://www.tbrb.org/p4p/
5 November 2019: The Transnational Rankings P4P List is now topped by Saul “Canelo” Alvarez. Alvarez, the Middleweight Champion of the World, just stopped the third-ranked Light Heavyweight. Sergey Kovalev is shopworn at 36, yes, but it remains a big win. There simply aren’t many middleweight champions in history who can exceed Alvarez’s latest accomplishment. Harry Greb, a true beserker who spent years before his middleweight reign picking on all-time great light heavyweights and heavyweights comes to mind. Mickey Walker was a welterweight champion who went on to take the middleweight crown before invading the light heavyweight and heavyweight divisions. Dick Tiger and Bernard Hopkins were among the few middleweight champions who later became light heavyweight champions.
If Canelo wants to walk with giants, he should face Division King Artur Beterbiev. Beat him, become a double champion, and anyone who denies his all-time greatness will get laughed out of the room. Of course, the expectation is that Canelo will prove he is clean by submitting to the highest VADA standard of testing. Without that, his accomplishments will remain suspect. As it is now, Canelo is #3, Kovalev #4 and Anthony Yarde is bumped out.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 08 Nov 2019, 08:06
by littlepug
Leonard, Hearns, McCallum, Jones and Reggie Johnson were also middle and light heavy champs. Anyway for me the top 5 in no particular order are Inoue, Crawford, Usyk, Alvarez and Loma, couldn’t care less who should be no1 as it doesn’t matter and I’m just happy to watch these guys.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 08 Nov 2019, 09:20
by RonnyJ
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑08 Nov 2019, 05:31
Crawford is the best to my eyes, resume is easily canelo. Ring magazine hasn't been relevant in ages.
resume should be pacquiao. thurman was close or prime and a real opponent. not a old man who just jabs and gasses out after 10 rds, the fight felt bought, didnt felt real, he was behind on points, didnt do much, just saving energy for the late KO, corrupt judges had him winning, when some eperts even had kovalev winning every single round up to the KO. GGG I loss and behind on points against Kovalev, Canelos record has some fakeness, i tell it like it is.
crawford is overrated, resume not great and skills are overrated, boring boxer on top. no wounder he has 0 fan base.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 08 Nov 2019, 09:23
by Onetimeonly
RonnyJ wrote: ↑08 Nov 2019, 09:20
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑08 Nov 2019, 05:31
Crawford is the best to my eyes, resume is easily canelo. Ring magazine hasn't been relevant in ages.
resume should be pacquiao. thurman was close or prime and a real opponent. not a old man who just jabs and gasses out after 10 rds, the fight felt bought, didnt felt real, he was behind on points, didnt do much, just saving energy for the late KO, corrupt judges had him winning, when some eperts even had kovalev winning every single round up to the KO. GGG I loss and behind on points against Kovalev, Canelos record has some fakeness, i tell it like it is.
crawford is overrated, resume not great and skills are overrated, boring boxer on top. no wounder he has 0 fan base.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 08 Nov 2019, 09:25
by RonnyJ
Szaman wrote: ↑08 Nov 2019, 05:08
That 'old man' was a top fighter and current world champion in Kovalev who was a past his best version yes but still good as his two victories this year over two top 10 opponents in Eider Alvarez and Anthony Yarde proved, cmon have a litle respect.
And Usyk is clearly worthy of P4P number 1 discussion too.
the old man was winning on points. that is not p4p 1 material when you are behind on points against a man at the end of his career. i understand canelo had to move up respect for that. but canelo also lost to boxers at 154 and 160. against lara and GGG I and got fake wins. i like canelo, he is good for boxing, i like his style, his power and his desire for greatness, but he is no p4p 1, if inoue or loma not around, than yes.
no, Usyk didnt look right at heavyweight, if he does something spectacular at hw than he is in the discussion for the top spot.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 09 Nov 2019, 23:15
by fanman
i dont read the ring, but the rankings are a quick way to cut through the abc's and see what's going on.
p4p is just mythical & fantasy anyway. for fun.
i'd certainly say that canelo deserves that fantasy 'crown' right now based on his achievements.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 09 Nov 2019, 23:39
by BeetleBailey
Oscar owns Ring.
Oscar is Canelo's promoter.
Coincidence?
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 00:29
by Jeff_lacy_ko
P4p is a fantasy ranking. I wouldnt get bent out of shape. They put Ronda on the cover to sell magazines.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 01:59
by DrDuke
On the paper Canelo's resume look P4P #1 worthy, but objectively those Golovkin bouts are losses.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 02:10
by Ruthless-RKO
DrDuke wrote: ↑10 Nov 2019, 01:59
On the paper Canelo's resume look P4P #1 worthy, but objectively those Golovkin bouts are losses.
Resume wise, no one beats Canelo. It’s top class names.. but like you said.. some dubious decisions along the way and the catchweights etc. Doesn’t help.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 02:11
by Jeff_lacy_ko
And the ped cheating...
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 02:21
by Best Coast
BeetleBailey wrote: ↑09 Nov 2019, 23:39
Oscar owns Ring.
Oscar is Canelo's promoter.
Coincidence?
No...that's a great point. Even though an argument can be made for Canelo P4P #1, Oscar has ALWAYS played favorites in the Ring!!
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 02:25
by margaret thatcher
Ridiculous to act like Canelo doesn't have an argument to be p4p #1
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 02:27
by Best Coast
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑10 Nov 2019, 00:29
P4p is a fantasy ranking. I wouldnt get bent out of shape. They put Ronda on the cover to sell magazines.
Dirty Dana White probably paid Oscar under the table for that, much like he paid Sports Illustrated to put Rousey on the cover of Sports Illustrated as ""The Most Dominant Athlete in Sports"!!
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 03:18
by boxing_rocks
Szaman wrote: ↑08 Nov 2019, 05:08
That 'old man' was a top fighter.
WAS long before he fought Canelo. Nobody considered him a top fighter after being stopped by E.Alvarez and struggling with Yarde.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 13:08
by siablo14
BeetleBailey wrote: ↑09 Nov 2019, 23:39
Oscar owns Ring.
Oscar is Canelo's promoter.
Coincidence?
Don't know but for that reason they cannot be seen as impartial in my eyes.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 13:10
by siablo14
DrDuke wrote: ↑10 Nov 2019, 01:59
On the paper Canelo's resume look P4P #1 worthy, but objectively those Golovkin bouts are losses.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 13:24
by RonnyJ
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑10 Nov 2019, 00:29
P4p is a fantasy ranking. I wouldnt get bent out of shape. They put Ronda on the cover to sell magazines.
Exactly. They put her on the cover to sell mags.
This is called 'sell out. It means doing something against your art, just to make money.
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 13:27
by RonnyJ
Best Coast wrote: ↑10 Nov 2019, 02:27
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑10 Nov 2019, 00:29
P4p is a fantasy ranking. I wouldnt get bent out of shape. They put Ronda on the cover to sell magazines.
Dirty Dana White probably paid Oscar under the table for that, much like he paid Sports Illustrated to put Rousey on the cover of Sports Illustrated as ""The Most Dominant Athlete in Sports"!!
Re: The fall of the Ring magazine
Posted: 10 Nov 2019, 13:28
by jujigatame
I haven't read The Ring in at least 10 years, but having Canelo as #1 P4P at this point is not unreasonable.