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Who do you have as the most heavy handed fighter in boxing today?

I’d say the line forms behind Wilder.

Luis Collazo comes to mind.

Inoue #1 p4p heaviest hands
Wilder has the heaviest hands

p4p the rest: bertebiev, mungaia, GGG, joshua, kudryashov.

RonnyJ wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 02:52 Inoue #1 p4p heaviest hands
Wilder has the heaviest hands

p4p the rest: bertebiev, mungaia, GGG, joshua, kudryashov.

Joushua heaviest hands gayish !! You must love him for some other reason

Boxtune wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 06:17

RonnyJ wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 02:52 Inoue #1 p4p heaviest hands
Wilder has the heaviest hands

p4p the rest: bertebiev, mungaia, GGG, joshua, kudryashov.

Joushua heaviest hands gayish !! You must love him for some other reason

92 % KO ratio

Im going with Wilder, that power he have is scary sometimes.

I personally don’t use a single category when determining the “biggest puncher” in boxing, since I classify fighters according to their punching style, because there are a variety of ways to score a stoppage.

And these are the classifications I used to categorise punching styles:
• Electric Slasher
• Heavy handed Debilitator
• Speed Thudder
• Swordsmen
• Bludgeon Crew

Basically, I believe the question posed by the thread title isn’t so simple and clear-cut to respond to, because there might be a variety of factors that could determine the most appropriate answer.

Is it solely the brute force a fighter can generate behind a single shot (i.e. the mass of their fist multiplied by the velocity of their arm movement) or is it more about the success rate of achieving stoppage victories? And if it’s neither of those or even a combination of the two, then I prefer to classify based on punch type instead.

Wilder,Inoue,Beterbiev.

Inoue, Beterbiev, Wilder, Dorticos, Kudryashov, Makabu

Woldemar wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 08:13 Wilder,Inoue,Beterbiev.

I'd add nery. At least lemieux is finally gone from every other answer.

we all forgot one very powerful puncher Vergil Ortiz Jr. Also Tank deserves a mention.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 07:47 I personally don’t use a single category when determining the “biggest puncher” in boxing, since I classify fighters according to their punching style, because there are a variety of ways to score a stoppage.

And these are the classifications I used to categorise punching styles:
• Electric Slasher
• Heavy handed Debilitator
• Speed Thudder
• Swordsmen
• Bludgeon Crew

Basically, I believe the question posed by the thread title isn’t so simple and clear-cut to respond to, because there might be a variety of factors that could determine the most appropriate answer.

Is it solely the brute force a fighter can generate behind a single shot (i.e. the mass of their fist multiplied by the velocity of their arm movement) or is it more about the success rate of achieving stoppage victories? And if it’s neither of those or even a combination of the two, then I prefer to classify based on punch type instead.

Don’t overthink it ! If you can consistently put the lights out with one punch at a decent level then you should be on the list, forcing stoppages doesn’t count.

Wilder has tremendous KO power, but not the heaviest of hands. At HW Makhmudov may have the heaviest hands. There is a distinction.

oogiebe wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 10:31 Wilder has tremendous KO power, but not the heaviest of hands. At HW Makhmudov may have the heaviest hands. There is a distinction.

whats the difference?

makh is a monster, super strong, wouldnt be shocked if he punches harder than wilder.

RonnyJ wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 11:03

oogiebe wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 10:31 Wilder has tremendous KO power, but not the heaviest of hands. At HW Makhmudov may have the heaviest hands. There is a distinction.

whats the difference?

makh is a monster, super strong, wouldnt be shocked if he punches harder than wilder.

The difference is what generates the power. George Foreman had 'heavy hands.' Thudding power. Wilder uses leverage and speed to produce his prodigious power, and it mostly comes from his right hand. Foreman's jab could make you get wobbly.

Its a subjective way of looking at punches and of course wilder gets lots of mentions ...

I feel wilders pole axe style knock out of brezeale has somehow got people thinking he has super human power or is it because he says he has ??
what he clearly has is lightning speed combined with heavy weight power and for many boxers it has been too much to cope with .
But !!
he hasnt actually fought many decent opponents : Fury and Ortiz = 2 out of 42 !


what about Daniel Dubois now thats a pair of real heavy hands , he doesnt go too wild or try to hit with big bombs preferring to box but even his short punches are obviously very very hurtful .

That little prick Gervonta Davis can fair whack...

littlepug wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 10:12

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 07:47 I personally don’t use a single category when determining the “biggest puncher” in boxing, since I classify fighters according to their punching style, because there are a variety of ways to score a stoppage.

And these are the classifications I used to categorise punching styles:
• Electric Slasher
• Heavy handed Debilitator
• Speed Thudder
• Swordsmen
• Bludgeon Crew

Basically, I believe the question posed by the thread title isn’t so simple and clear-cut to respond to, because there might be a variety of factors that could determine the most appropriate answer.

Is it solely the brute force a fighter can generate behind a single shot (i.e. the mass of their fist multiplied by the velocity of their arm movement) or is it more about the success rate of achieving stoppage victories? And if it’s neither of those or even a combination of the two, then I prefer to classify based on punch type instead.

Don’t overthink it ! If you can consistently put the lights out with one punch at a decent level then you should be on the list, forcing stoppages doesn’t count.

I feel that a fighter can be considered heavy-handed even if they don't "put the lights out with one punch".

I also feel that the ability to force stoppages does count when determining whether a fighter is a heavy-handed puncher.

Wilder or Joshua.............

P4P : Beterbiev or Davis.................

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 07:47
And these are the classifications I used to categorise punching styles:
• Electric Slasher
• Heavy handed Debilitator
• Speed Thudder
• Swordsmen
• Bludgeon Crew

Are these categories some kind of 'think of the most ridiculous category name' competition?

You can't seriously say "wow [insert boxer's name here] is a 'Speed Thudder/swordsman/heavy handed debilitator' (etc etc!!)'' to yourself can you?

I'm literally laughing out loud at these

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 12:02

littlepug wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 10:12
Don’t overthink it ! If you can consistently put the lights out with one punch at a decent level then you should be on the list, forcing stoppages doesn’t count.

I feel that a fighter can be considered heavy-handed even if they don't "put the lights out with one punch".

I also feel that the ability to force stoppages does count when determining whether a fighter is a heavy-handed puncher.

Both valid points but when the question is “who has the heaviest hands” then the guy that can force a stoppage comes a distant 2nd to the guy that puts you to sleep

sharpei_louis wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 12:49

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 07:47
And these are the classifications I used to categorise punching styles:
• Electric Slasher
• Heavy handed Debilitator
• Speed Thudder
• Swordsmen
• Bludgeon Crew

Are these categories some kind of 'think of the most ridiculous category name' competition?

You can't seriously say "wow [insert boxer's name here] is a 'Speed Thudder/swordsman/heavy handed debilitator' (etc etc!!)'' to yourself can you?

I'm literally laughing out loud at these

The terminology I’ve used to categorise punch styles was originally coined by Stephen "Breadman" Edwards (copied & pasted from another thread):

Electric Slasher:
• Deontay Wilder

Heavy handed Debilitator:
• Murat Gassiev
• Genady Golovkin
• Mikey Garcia
• Errol Spence Jr.

Speed Thudder:
• Adonis Stevenson
• Anthony Joshua
• Monster Inuoe
• Gervonta Davis

Swordsmen:
• Krusher Kovalev

Where:

• Swordsmen = Punches where their sharpness results in delayed reactions (like Thomas Hearns). You don't see their shots thrown, so they land like a sucker punch.

• Heavy handed debilitator = Heavy handed boom, boom, boom type punches that ruins their opponents (like Marvin Hagler and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.)

• Electric Slashers = Throws slashing, punishing shots. They need their entire bodies to generate the electric energy (like: Ray Leonard, Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao, Roy Jones etc.)

• Speed Thudders = The best puncher ever when you combine power, accuracy, technique and punch delivery (like Joe Louis, Bob Foster, Julian Jackson, Roberto Duran, Mike Tyson)

• Bludgeon Crew = This is usually a man strong enough to punch through anything (like George Foreman). It doesn’t matter if their opponents hands are up or not. Punchers like this don’t care what they hit because they hurt and break everything (like Sonny Liston, David Tua, Marcos Maidana, Gerald McClellan, Earnie Shavers etc.). The difference between a "Heavy handed Debilitator" and a member of the "Bludgeon Crew" relates to the fact that those classified as the former are usually fundamentally sound (i.e. GGG, Hagler), whereas members of the latter simply punch very hard, whilst adopting an unrefined fighting style (i.e. Foreman, Maidana).

For example:

• A skilled fighter like GGG lacks the sword-like speed of a "Swordsmen", so he should be classed as a "Heavy Handed Debilitator", because his opponents are covering up and bracing for the onslaught.

Therefore, I don’t classify a “big puncher” using one-dimensional criteria, because stoppages can be forced in a variety of ways, such as via a one-punch KO achieved by a lightning-fast straight right hand thrown with surgical precision or resulting from the cumulative effect of consecutively-landed heavy blows.

There are very very few today who can stretch respectable opponents early and without much accumulation. Wilder and Inoue have done it and overall shown very good and consistent power, but even then they really only quickly lights outted a couple of decent opponents. Stevenson could do it too, as could Donaire at certain weights.

Aside from this tier, the next biggest punchers are guys who don't really do lights out early, but are threats to hurt/drop opponents at any time and usually stop them eventually. GGG and Bert and AJ types. To me they are like hybrids of the above guys and the accumulation guys---not quite the 1 shotters, yet more out of nowhere power than the pure accumulaters. I would put Nery here too, because even when he gets earlier stoppages it's throwing loads of shots in barrages. Tank fits here probably too.

You also have some oddballs like Mell Charlo, who has put guys lights out early or ktfo a good few opponents suddenly, yet at the same time has lots of fights where he goes the distance not doing much damage

The best one punch guy is wilder. It isnt really an argument. Hes a one shot ko artist at the heaviest weight class and at the top of the division

ValMar wrote: ↑14 Nov 2019, 12:26 Wilder or Joshua.............

P4P : Beterbiev or Davis.................

I actually think Wilder may be the biggest hitter in the sport currently at Heavyweight OR in a P4P sense.

The reason I say that is because almost everyone he gets in the ring with can outbox him. I mean hell Szpilka outboxed him for long stretches for f*cks sake.

But his power ALWAYS bails him out. His power, and nothing more.