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Who is the top HW ever. Difficult question, since heavyweights grew so much in height and weight. Ali may have the best skills ever @hw, but skills with his height and weight wouldnt be enough for todays very tall hw.
Mike on the other hand would also have a tremendous height weight disadvantage, but makes him so dangerous is, in his prime he was great at everything, great speed, atg punching power, great chin, he was the total package and when he would be close to klitschko, joshua, wilder, than these boxers would have a problem. With a semi good or even a good chin prime Tyson close would be a desaster. Tall boxers have problems taking body shots and aside vitaly most have weak chin like wladimir, lewis etc..

What is your take, or does the best hw ever dont exist and styles make fight and everybody even in his prime can lose to a other boxer?

None would beat everyone, your list is laughable. Tyson but no holy field?

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 06:24 None would beat everyone, your list is laughable. Tyson but no holy field?

Lewis schooled holyfield. Holyfield is an atg, but not in the discussion for the top spot

Moorer, bowe, even during his prime took losses. Unlike tyson or holmes.

I think on his best day Lennox would stand a good chance of beating everyone. He had all the physical tools, height, weight, reach plus good ability and power.

Bowe in his short prime had all the tools.

Holmes, forman, tyson, fury and joshua difintly don't belong in this list. You could replace then with Holyfield, but again I'm not sure about Holyfield just too small

Boxtune wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 07:05 Holmes, forman, tyson, fury and joshua difintly don't belong in this list. You could replace then with Holyfield.

Holmes definitely belongs

Prime Holmes would had good chances beat all them .

Woldemar wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 07:31 Prime Holmes would had good chances beat all them .

Everyone know that Holmes era was dull era and there was no one around, until tyson came. Holmes didn't have physical attributes and power, same size as ali, but ali could take a lot of punishment, which holmes chin couldn't handle.

Boxtune wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 07:39

Woldemar wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 07:31 Prime Holmes would had good chances beat all them .

Everyone know that Holmes era was dull era and there was no one around, until tyson came. Holmes didn't have physical attributes and power, same size as ali, but ali could take a lot of punishment, which holmes chin couldn't handle.

There were some talented fighters in Holmes era and Holmes beat most of them while they were still fresh and before they got on the drugs, as far as Holmes chin is concerned, he had pretty good whiskers and even better powers of recovery

I can imagine EO being one of the chuckleheads who picked vitali

RonnyJ wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 06:35

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 06:24 None would beat everyone, your list is laughable. Tyson but no holy field?

Lewis schooled holyfield. Holyfield is an atg, but not in the discussion for the top spot

Moorer, bowe, even during his prime took losses. Unlike tyson or holmes.

Tyson lost to Douglas bang in his Mike's prime.

Boxtune wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 07:39

Woldemar wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 07:31 Prime Holmes would had good chances beat all them .

Everyone know that Holmes era was dull era and there was no one around, until tyson came. Holmes didn't have physical attributes and power, same size as ali, but ali could take a lot of punishment, which holmes chin couldn't handle.

You really don't have a clue do you?

Syntax Error wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 09:17

RonnyJ wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 06:35

Lewis schooled holyfield. Holyfield is an atg, but not in the discussion for the top spot

Moorer, bowe, even during his prime took losses. Unlike tyson or holmes.

Tyson lost to Douglas bang in his Mike's prime.

Tyson not even trained for the douglas fight and only thing on his mind was pu@!:&y & money.

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 09:09 I can imagine EO being one of the chuckleheads who picked vitali

At this moment i picked nobody but vitaly would be one of those choices which would make sense. Lewis was beating everybody up and vitaly beat him up. Lewis was using shady tactics like rubbing his gloves and head to open the cuts more, but vitaly was winning on points. Not holyfield or tyson were leading on points. Vitaly height power and his atg chin would be dangerous for anybody. He is better than his glass jaw brother. He would outbox the technicly poor wilder.

adislav123 wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 06:50 Bowe in his short prime had all the tools.

Lewis > bowe

Beat him in the amateurs and than bowe wanted no fight in the pros. Case closed.

RonnyJ wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 09:37

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 09:09 I can imagine EO being one of the chuckleheads who picked vitali

At this moment i picked nobody but vitaly would be one of those choices which would make sense. Lewis was beating everybody up and vitaly beat him up. Lewis was using shady tactics like rubbing his gloves and head to open the cuts more, but vitaly was winning on points. Not holyfield or tyson were leading on points. Vitaly height power and his atg chin would be dangerous for anybody. He is better than his glass jaw brother. He would outbox the technicly poor wilder.

Lennox was old and outta shape

This is how I rank them:

1. Tyson
2. V. Klitschko
3. Lewis
4. Joshua
5. Wilder
6. W. Klitschko
7. Ali
8. Foreman
9. Holmes

littlepug wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 09:42

RonnyJ wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 09:37

At this moment i picked nobody but vitaly would be one of those choices which would make sense. Lewis was beating everybody up and vitaly beat him up. Lewis was using shady tactics like rubbing his gloves and head to open the cuts more, but vitaly was winning on points. Not holyfield or tyson were leading on points. Vitaly height power and his atg chin would be dangerous for anybody. He is better than his glass jaw brother. He would outbox the technicly poor wilder.

Lennox was old and outta shape

True

I still think prime for prime vitaly wins.

RonnyJ wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 06:35

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 06:24 None would beat everyone, your list is laughable. Tyson but no holy field?

Lewis schooled holyfield. Holyfield is an atg, but not in the discussion for the top spot

Moorer, bowe, even during his prime took losses. Unlike tyson or holmes.

RonnyJ wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 09:43

littlepug wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 09:42
Lennox was old and outta shape

True

I still think prime for prime vitaly wins.

No chance.

RonnyJ wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 09:37

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 09:09 I can imagine EO being one of the chuckleheads who picked vitali

At this moment i picked nobody but vitaly would be one of those choices which would make sense. Lewis was beating everybody up and vitaly beat him up. Lewis was using shady tactics like rubbing his gloves and head to open the cuts more, but vitaly was winning on points. Not holyfield or tyson were leading on points. Vitaly height power and his atg chin would be dangerous for anybody. He is better than his glass jaw brother. He would outbox the technicly poor wilder.

Vitali would have been competitive, but would have struggled with faster fighters like Ali and Holmes

RonnyJ wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 09:43

littlepug wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 09:42
Lennox was old and outta shape

True

I still think prime for prime vitaly wins.

Vitali was in his prime and Lewis was passed his,Vit still lost

Vitali would win a couple. His lack of power hurts him against the very best. I'd favor him over wilder and Josh. Good chance against Tyson.

RonnyJ wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 09:43

littlepug wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 09:42
Lennox was old and outta shape

True

I still think prime for prime vitaly wins.

Vitali was stronger with a better chin than Wlad,but he was not a better boxer