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I mean about Big George's prime (whenever it was) against recent Wilder.

BTW, I am undecided.

George absolutely.

Foreman tended to club opponents to defeat,Wilder has more snap i think.

Wilder might have the biggest single punch, but George was the type who everything he threw, even just flicking jabs or super short shots, hurt you.

If you can knock Stiverne out you surely hit harder than Big George.

Wilder has speed and Foreman is slow but heavy.

Wilder is lightening. George was thunder. Speed and leverage vs heavy hands.

Wilder is certainly the more effective puncher.

He is faster, sharper, plus he carries his power late into fights.

First Foreman didn't have the stamina to knock people out late and second Foreman was so slow that you could see his punches coming from last year, although Michael Moorer might disagree with me.

Syntax Error wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 15:41 Wilder is certainly the more effective puncher.

He is faster, sharper, plus he carries his power late into fights.

First Foreman didn't have the stamina to knock people out late and second Foreman was so slow that you could see his punches coming from last year, although Michael Moorer might disagree with me.

You rate Wilder above Foreman as a fighter? Who wins if they fought prime for prime?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 15:47

Syntax Error wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 15:41 Wilder is certainly the more effective puncher.

He is faster, sharper, plus he carries his power late into fights.

First Foreman didn't have the stamina to knock people out late and second Foreman was so slow that you could see his punches coming from last year, although Michael Moorer might disagree with me.

You rate Wilder above Foreman as a fighter? Who wins if they fought prime for prime?

Good question.

I think 70s Foreman gets up off the canvas to starch Wilder, but 90s Foreman loses on points.

Foreman flattened the Joe Frazier and the Ken Norton of his era.

Wilder doesn't have wins equivalent to those.

If he flattens AJ, Fury, Ortiz in the rematch, Ruiz...then maybe

gilgamesh wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 16:44 Foreman flattened the Joe Frazier and the Ken Norton of his era.

Wilder doesn't have wins equivalent to those.

If he flattens AJ, Fury, Ortiz in the rematch, Ruiz...then maybe

Frazier would flatten those guys.

I think he would KO the four of them within a single 15 rds match.

Foreman and Wilder were different types of puncher.

Deontay isn’t a particularly big puncher, until he purposely loads up, and uses his entire body as leverage to generate enormous power to usually stop his opponent with a one-off cleanly-landed lightning-fast blow thrown by his right hand (much akin to one of those boxing punchbag arcade machines).

Whereas Big George was enormously strong and every single shot he threw (by either hand) was extremely heavy-handed and thrown with bad intentions.

Foreman didn’t really load-up his shots in a typical manner. He instead threw a constant barrage of hooks and/or uppercuts during a sustained and relentless attack. We witnessed these prolonged onslaughts in his bouts against Joe Frazier.

George was less reliant on his punches landing clean than Deontay is, since he could punch through the guard and still KO his foes.

So I’m going to argue that Foreman was a bigger puncher than Wilder currently is. Partially because of calibre of opposition he stopped, but also due to the fact that George didn’t usually load up and throw one-shot haymakers.

That being said, the only caveat I would like to add is that the typical size of a George Foreman opponent (6’ 0” in height, weighing around the 206lbs mark) was much smaller than the guys Wilder faces. So this is a factor that cannot possibly be ignored.

Syntax Error wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 15:41 Wilder is certainly the more effective puncher.

He is faster, sharper, plus he carries his power late into fights.

First Foreman didn't have the stamina to knock people out late and second Foreman was so slow that you could see his punches coming from last year, although Michael Moorer might disagree with me.

I don’t think there’s any evidence to support this claim.

Opponents stopped by Deontay Wilder from rounds five onwards:
• Luis Ortiz
• Gerald Washington
• Chris Arreola
• Artur Szpilka
• Johann Duhaupas
• Eric Molina

Opponents stopped by George Foreman from rounds five onwards:
• Michael Moorer
• Pierre Coetzer
• JB Williamson
• Mark Young
• Dwight Muhammad Qawi
• Guido Trane
• Bobby Crabtree
• Joe Frazier
• Ron Lyle
• Gregorio Peralta
• George Johnson
• Jack O'Halloran

So in other words ortiz , a solid contender was stopped after 5 by wilder. The other guys on wilders list are pure garbage

I will take frazier, qawi, lyle and michael moorer over that list

Wilder possibly has more power but he needs the time and space to be able to wind it up to get the power in that shot.

George was probably more hurtful overall.

Wilder throws everything into his power punches.

George generated huge power without hurling himself into shots. His destruction of the usually durable frazier was shocking.

If you ever saw Wilder throw a power punch like foreman threw them, you'd have to think that Big George would have the edge.

If you ever saw George Foreman windmill a power punch from the floor, you'd have to go with Big George.

Lenny Cravats wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 19:41 If you ever saw Wilder throw a power punch like foreman threw them, you'd have to think that Big George would have the edge.

If you ever saw George Foreman windmill a power punch from the floor, you'd have to go with Big George.

Ask Kenny Norton about the latter.

Wilder is a taller man with faster hands. It's simple physics.

Speed equals power.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑18 Nov 2019, 22:50 Wilder is a taller man with faster hands. It's simple physics.

Speed equals power.

There seems to be a pretty wide variation in the speed and height of punchers though. You get plenty of slow bangers and fast light hitters. You get featherfisted tall guys and KO puncher short guys, and vice versa.

Chris Byrd was about the same weight as Foreman, but way faster with his hands. Joe Parker is faster and listed taller. And shouldn't a guy like Chad Dawson with his height and speed been a major banger instead of Beterbiev? What about GGG and Monroe? Khan should've been downright devestating at 140 and 135 too. And why can't quick Tev Farmer crack an egg?

There are loads of fighters who have been taller and faster than Foreman, but very very few hit harder than him.

Different types of power and difficult to gauge who had more. I went with wilder “slightly”. But I say that with no real conviction

I think Wilders cross is more powerful but every punch of Big George was heavy, at least a 7/10. So George has a chance to Ko you with anything but Wilders cross is a flying anvil what if huts you will ko you.

both are overrated. lewis might have more 1 punch ko power than both.

the breazale ko was wilders most powerful punch and breazale got up after 10, rahman, who looks to have stronger shoulder neck chin than breazale couldnt get up after several minutes laying on the ground than sitting on the stool after being kod by lewis with lewis best punch.

this also shows how weak heavyweights are in a p4p sense. these atg best heavyweight punchers land perfect shots like lewis on rahman or wilder on breazale and the opponents still are able to get up after 10 secondes. while when atg punchers from lower division land clean powerful shots julian jackson, GGG or pacquiao, than the opponents ishida, hatton etc stay on the ground for 2 minutes+.