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I'm not sure he is in terms of natural weight, I think Wilder might be an underrated fighter P4P, and for the record he beats Uzzy too

There's not much in it either way. Whenever Wilder faces an opponent that poses a serious threat, he always weighs light (i.e. 220lbs or less). He's only heavy against journeymen. The Bronze Bomber was as light as 209lbs against Fury.

Oleksandr Usyk would have entered the ring weighing in the region of 215lbs or more for all his cruiserweight bouts.

Wilder is taller, but has beanpole legs, whereas the Ukrained is stockier.

Wilder can put more on his lanky frame and hes taller with linger reach

I guess define "bigger" they probably weigh the same

Yes, taller, and I'm sure his weight is natural too. In fact he's probably lighter due to all the work he puts in. Usyk being around 215 or 220 will have gained those 15 or 20 pounds, Wilder just has 'em all the time.

Usyk is WAY, WAY more skilled than Wilder though.

This fight would almost be like a modern day version of Billy Conn vs Joe Louis. Usyk should win most every round...but can he make it to the end?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 12:48 Yes, taller, and I'm sure his weight is natural too. In fact he's probably lighter due to all the work he puts in. Usyk being around 215 or 220 will have gained those 15 or 20 pounds, Wilder just has 'em all the time.

Usyk is WAY, WAY more skilled than Wilder though.

This fight would almost be like a modern day version of Billy Conn vs Joe Louis. Usyk should win most every round...but can he make it to the end?

This is it.

If Usyk hears the final bell, he wins easily, but you just have to wonder if he can.

Wilder is different from many other vaunted bangers too, in that he's dangerous throughout and he's very fast and sharp too and he doesn't need an accumulation of punches to put paid to opponents either.

Syntax Error wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 13:12

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 12:48 Yes, taller, and I'm sure his weight is natural too. In fact he's probably lighter due to all the work he puts in. Usyk being around 215 or 220 will have gained those 15 or 20 pounds, Wilder just has 'em all the time.

Usyk is WAY, WAY more skilled than Wilder though.

This fight would almost be like a modern day version of Billy Conn vs Joe Louis. Usyk should win most every round...but can he make it to the end?

This is it.

If Usyk hears the final bell, he wins easily, but you just have to wonder if he can.

Wilder is different from many other vaunted bangers too, in that he's dangerous throughout and he's very fast and sharp too and he doesn't need an accumulation of punches to put paid to opponents either.

Yep. He's dangerous, and one shot away from turning your lights out every step of the way for all 36 minutes of action. If I was a guy like Usyk my entire training camp going in against Wilder would be focusing on my defense

USYK is nothing that special , he is very overhyped. I'm 101% sure Ajagba, Hargovic, Yoka beat him .

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 12:30 There's not much in it either way. Whenever Wilder faces an opponent that poses a serious threat, he always weighs light (i.e. 220lbs or less). He's only heavy against journeymen. The Bronze Bomber was as light as 209lbs against Fury.

Oleksandr Usyk would have entered the ring weighing in the region of 215lbs or more for all his cruiserweight bouts.

Wilder is taller, but has beanpole legs, whereas the Ukrained is stockier.

He weighed 210 against Hunter

Usyk if anything is under hyped. He fought a very tough lineup at cruiser. Every champ. Handled all styles. Mike Hunter has done really well at Heavy and could very well beat Poventkin - Usyk largely shut him out. Not my favorite style but he has been one of the world’s best fighters for many years. Amazing amateur trained off and on by Loma’s dad. Love Wilder’s power that puts him in every fight. Worse for him are boxers ala Fury and Usyk. Guys who stand will be caught.

wilder wouldn't win a single round if they fought a hundred times and maybe catch him twice by pure luck with usyk not seeing the oncoming punch, not able to slip, dodge or block it or already out of range and on the attack from another angle.

i think it's quite the opposite with practically zero chance for wilder to win a boxing match versus usyk.

would be a huge surprise if wilder's handlers would let him fight usyk.

fury will beat wilder in February and again in the rubber match. 101%.

There you have it, straight from captain Wilder's mouth. Of course, he said the same thing about Ortiz.

wilder is a little bigger naturally, he is just so lean that he fights at his lowest optimal weight sometimes.
it's good actually that the most dangerous guy in the division weighs 220 'only' and does not have to be a monsterous 'super heavyweight'.

fanman wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 00:40 wilder is a little bigger naturally, he is just so lean that he fights at his lowest optimal weight sometimes.
it's good actually that the most dangerous guy in the division weighs 220 'only' and does not have to be a monsterous 'super heavyweight'.

Great point.

fanman wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 00:40 wilder is a little bigger naturally, he is just so lean that he fights at his lowest optimal weight sometimes.
it's good actually that the most dangerous guy in the division weighs 220 'only' and does not have to be a monsterous 'super heavyweight'.

Agreed. And I will also add that he’s fought at heavyweight his whole career and has proven power there. Weather or not Usyk’s power will carry over to heavyweight remains to be seen. Beating Chazz Witherspoon isn’t enough of a gauge.

Boxtune wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 15:46 USYK is nothing that special , he is very overhyped. I'm 101% sure Ajagba, Hargovic, Yoka beat him .

ok then

Didn't Usyk win a very close fight with Briedis? The fight was scored nearly a draw and Usyk said was the most difficult of his career. Briedis is only 6'1.

He would be better off not choosing Wilder while he is acclimating to heavyweight. Yes, he can win if he doesn't get knocked out, but doesn't that scenario include basically every Wilder opponent lately? Perhaps Wilder has more than just power.

I think old man Ortiz beats him. Hope they prove me wrong and make the fight.

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 06:40 Didn't Usyk win a very close fight with Briedis? The fight was scored nearly a draw and Usyk said was the most difficult of his career. Briedis is only 6'1.

He would be better off not choosing Wilder while he is acclimating to heavyweight. Yes, he can win if he doesn't get knocked out, but doesn't that scenario include basically every Wilder opponent lately? Perhaps Wilder has more than just power.

I think old man Ortiz beats him. Hope they prove me wrong and make the fight.

It was close but clean win by Usyk. Briedis has lot of dirty tricks in his arsenal, it is hard to figure out that type of guy. Something like Bernard Hopkins IMO

I really doubt Usyk would fight HWs like he did Briedis, he was coming forward vs Breidis but vs Witherspoon and all his SHW opponents in WSB like Joyce, he was boxing and moving.

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 06:40 Didn't Usyk win a very close fight with Briedis? The fight was scored nearly a draw and Usyk said was the most difficult of his career. Briedis is only 6'1.

He would be better off not choosing Wilder while he is acclimating to heavyweight. Yes, he can win if he doesn't get knocked out, but doesn't that scenario include basically every Wilder opponent lately? Perhaps Wilder has more than just power.

I think old man Ortiz beats him. Hope they prove me wrong and make the fight.

you think Ortiz beats Usyk because Briedis pushed him in a fight once? lol what?

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 06:40

Boxtune wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 15:46 USYK is nothing that special , he is very overhyped. I'm 101% sure Ajagba, Hargovic, Yoka beat him .

ok then

I know! What is wrong with some folk? Hrgovic and Yoka?

Stuarty wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 12:35

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 06:40

ok then

I know! What is wrong with some folk? Hrgovic and Yoka?

101%

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 12:06

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 06:40 Didn't Usyk win a very close fight with Briedis? The fight was scored nearly a draw and Usyk said was the most difficult of his career. Briedis is only 6'1.

He would be better off not choosing Wilder while he is acclimating to heavyweight. Yes, he can win if he doesn't get knocked out, but doesn't that scenario include basically every Wilder opponent lately? Perhaps Wilder has more than just power.

I think old man Ortiz beats him. Hope they prove me wrong and make the fight.

you think Ortiz beats Usyk because Briedis pushed him in a fight once? lol what?

It's a fair opinion to think Ort beats Usy, though I know dog loves him some Ort despite rallying against all other PED users

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 13:17

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 12:06

you think Ortiz beats Usyk because Briedis pushed him in a fight once? lol what?

It's a fair opinion to think Ort beats Usy, though I know dog loves him some Ort despite rallying against all other PED users

You make a fair point, however...
If I were to only hope or predict non-former PED users win, it wouldn't include too many of the top ten at heavyweight. I think we all know it is the smartest ones or smartest teams are the ones that don't get caught. Like Victor Conte said, PED testing is more of an IQ test than anything else. Lots of dumb boxers and teams that fail.

Remember this gem? Mate where the hell had you been to put Ortiz in that group, Pedvetkin's just as qualified to be among a select group of 'clean' fighters

Everyone ducking Luis! I hate all PED cheats (except my darling Luis!)!!

Bandog wrote: ↑29 Sep 2019, 09:52

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Sep 2019, 00:52

I thought you couldn't stand drug cheats. Or am I thinking of a different poster...I might be

I can't but not many top heavys left that are clean. Let's see there is Joshua, Ortiz, Wilder, and Parker?

Stuarty wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 12:35

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 06:40

ok then

I know! What is wrong with some folk? Hrgovic and Yoka?

Boxdume or Boxdumb ?