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Perfect science don't lie. If it was other fighter non than tyson fury, different verdict according to both Holyfield and lennox lewis.

This changes everything!

Not this sh1t again... it's a ten count not a timed 10 seconds

Doesn't that video show the opposite of what you wrote in the title

YAWN

Fury was on his feet but his back wasn't totally straight. Don't know what the specific rule is on that.

A lot of these counts are damn close and literally a split second decision has to be made. Ali-Foreman and Chuvalo-Quarry come to mind.

The ref isn't supposed to start counting until the other fighter is in the neutral corner.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 13:34The ref isn't supposed to start counting until the other fighter is in the neutral corner.

But... that would ruin this whole video!

You'd think people who were interested enough in boxing to sign up to a boxing forum, might also be interested enough to find out the rules of the sport.

Apparently not.

squiggy wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 13:36

Tony1244 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 13:34The ref isn't supposed to start counting until the other fighter is in the neutral corner.

But... that would ruin this whole video!

Bullshit ... if other fighters standing over there and don't move fast , you are suppose to give 20 seconds for KOed fighter ?

Boxtune wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 14:34

squiggy wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 13:36

But... that would ruin this whole video!

Bullshit ... if other fighters standing over there and don't move fast , you are suppose to give 20 seconds for KOed fighter ?

If so it would be the other fighters own fault, would it not?

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 14:00 You'd think people who were interested enough in boxing to sign up to a boxing forum, might also be interested enough to find out the rules of the sport.

Apparently not.

Not every rule is cut and dry. If a fighter's feet are on the floor but his back is at a 45 degree angle is he up?

The fighter scoring the KD is supposed to go to a neutral corner. I've seen some refs not start the count until that happens. Other time the ref begins the count immediately.

Lol some people are still sore about Fury getting up

Don't worry, Wilder will do him for good in February

Tony1244 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 15:24

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 14:00 You'd think people who were interested enough in boxing to sign up to a boxing forum, might also be interested enough to find out the rules of the sport.

Apparently not.

Not every rule is cut and dry. If a fighter's feet are on the floor but his back is at a 45 degree angle is he up?

The fighter scoring the KD is supposed to go to a neutral corner. I've seen some refs not start the count until that happens. Other time the ref begins the count immediately.

There's a guy ringside who starts the count as soon as the fighter hits the floor. The ref picks up the count from him. That said, the count is the count. 10 seconds is 10 seconds. They aren't always the same. nothing to see here.

How are there still people who don't realise that fighters follow the refs count lol

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 15:35 How are there still people who don't realise that fighters follow the refs count lol

Um...never actually saw a fight? Makes me think of Tunney looking up at the ref, vs Dempsey.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 15:24

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 14:00 You'd think people who were interested enough in boxing to sign up to a boxing forum, might also be interested enough to find out the rules of the sport.

Apparently not.

Not every rule is cut and dry. If a fighter's feet are on the floor but his back is at a 45 degree angle is he up?

The fighter scoring the KD is supposed to go to a neutral corner. I've seen some refs not start the count until that happens. Other time the ref begins the count immediately.

I know. I wasn't trying to argue semantics. You can watch a hundred referees deal with a hundred knockdown, and each one will be very slightly different to the others. People are just forgetting one rule that matters more than anything to do with timing, neutral corners, or any of the rest.

ABC Unified Rules of Boxing:

"2. The referee is the sole arbiter of a bout and is the only individual authorized to stop a contest."

Shoulda, woulda, coulda doesn't matter, since the knocked down fighter follows the referee, and none of us know whether Fury would have got up or not, had Reiss counted half a second or so quicker.

He was on his feet before the REFEREE counted 10. That's all that matters.

They had these discussions in the 1920's following the Dempsey-Tunney rematch. Tunney being up before the referee counted 10 was all that mattered then too.

It's all that ever matters in these situations.

Even a person great at accurately counting to 10, will finish up at 9.7 or 10.6 or whatever. A timekeeper starting a count on a stopwatch will start the count a fraction of a second earlier or later than another timekeeper would have.

As others alluded to, you simply have to be on your feet in the referee's opinion before the count is up. If there's an error, I'd prefer the error was having a fight continue than stopping it too soon.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:21 Even a person great at accurately counting to 10, will finish up at 9.7 or 10.6 or whatever. A timekeeper starting a count on a stopwatch will start the count a fraction of a second earlier or later than another timekeeper would have.

As others alluded to, you simply have to be on your feet in the referee's opinion before the count is up. If there's an error, I'd prefer the error was having a fight continue than stopping it too soon.

Fury got up and got the better of Wilder in the 12th. No controversy. He was paying attention to the ref's count. The clock is meaningless.

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:23

Tony1244 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:21 Even a person great at accurately counting to 10, will finish up at 9.7 or 10.6 or whatever. A timekeeper starting a count on a stopwatch will start the count a fraction of a second earlier or later than another timekeeper would have.

As others alluded to, you simply have to be on your feet in the referee's opinion before the count is up. If there's an error, I'd prefer the error was having a fight continue than stopping it too soon.

Fury got up and got the better of Wilder in the 12th. No controversy. He was paying attention to the ref's count. The clock is meaningless.

I thought it was the right call as well. I understand that if someone bet the house on a Wilder KO, they'd be upset though.

Having said that, IF, the ref had said he didn't beat the count, it wouldn't be the most controversial thing I've ever seen.

Ok, forget about waiting for a fighter to go to the neutral corner, starting the count exactly when Fury hit the canvas the video clearly shows that Fury beat the count. Just watched it on youtube in "real time." Also Ali vs Foreman looked like the right call as well.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:47 Ok, forget about waiting for a fighter to go to the neutral corner, starting the count exactly when Fury hit the canvas the video clearly shows that Fury beat the count. Just watched it on youtube in "real time." Also Ali vs Foreman looked like the right call as well.

Ali vs Foreman was somewhat different than Fury vs Wilder. Fury got up, and still did his best, and still wanted to make it the distance believing he'd outboxed his opponent. Foreman got up a beaten man, and had no desire to continue honestly. You can see it in his body language.

He gets up at 9 I think. Foreman that is, but when the referee waves it off he just walks back to his corner, and doesn't utter a word of complaint. He was beaten.

Op is splitting hairs here and trying too hard to make something controversial out of this.

As others have said Fury beat the count. Ref could have stopped the fight and no one would have complained too much but his call to continue the fight was validated by what came afterwards. Fury was clearly fit to continue.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:58

Tony1244 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 16:47 Ok, forget about waiting for a fighter to go to the neutral corner, starting the count exactly when Fury hit the canvas the video clearly shows that Fury beat the count. Just watched it on youtube in "real time." Also Ali vs Foreman looked like the right call as well.

Ali vs Foreman was somewhat different than Fury vs Wilder. Fury got up, and still did his best, and still wanted to make it the distance believing he'd outboxed his opponent. Foreman got up a beaten man, and had no desire to continue honestly. You can see it in his body language.

He gets up at 9 I think. Foreman that is, but when the referee waves it off he just walks back to his corner, and doesn't utter a word of complaint. He was beaten.

Foreman was more fatigued than me on a nyquil cannabis concoction.

The count you hear in the Ali-Foreman fight was bogus. No debate on Foreman's condition and his snowball chance of hell of winning if the fight had continued. But it looked to me that GF was up a fraction of a second late. Easy to find and time on youtube.

The ref counted out Foreman clean, people often get mixed up because they listen to Bob Sheridan's call of the fight where he is a few counts behind the ref's count, hence people see Foreman getting up when Sheridan is still counting