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“That’s not a fight that I’m focused on right now or even worried about,” said Crawford to DAZN about a fight between him and Porter. “I’m focused on other things right now. If we had to fight and if it made sense, then that would be a fight that we would both agree upon. But right now, I feel like that’s not something we should discuss right now, because there’s nothing on the table for me,” said Crawford. @ BN24

I think they don't want to fight each other b/c they are good friends. So maybe Crawford is gonna be fed with the 140 lbs guys like Taylor, Prograis and Ramirez.

Crawford is a blithering idiot. Couple of weeks ago he talked about wanting to face the best and his frustrasion not being able to fight the pbc boxers.

Now the name porter is mentioned, who was close at winning against spence, some say beat spence and tc acts like a straight up pu#;&(y.

RonnyJ wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 07:02 Crawford is a blithering idiot. Couple of weeks ago he talked about wanting to face the best and his frustrasion not being able to fight the pbc boxers.

Now the name porter is mentioned, who was close at winning against spence, some say beat spence and tc acts like a straight up pu#;&(y.

Since they are good friends maybe they talked more about this subject and Crawford chose not to fight him?

Well, I guess its a good thing he isn't close friends with Spence, Garcia, Thurman, and Pacquiao too.

By the way, Spence and Porter mentioned they were good friends, growing up in the amateur ranks together. Spence also said he was good friends with Jermell Charlo, but that wouldn't prevent them from fighting in the future. The friends and former sparring partner excuse is just that, an excuse. Its not like they are brothers. There are lots of examples.

Bandog wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 08:25 Well, I guess its a good thing he isn't close friends with Spence, Garcia, Thurman, and Pacquiao too.

By the way, Spence and Porter mentioned they were good friends, growing up in the amateur ranks together. Spence also said he was good friends with Jermell Charlo, but that wouldn't prevent them from fighting in the future. The friends and former sparring partner excuse is just that, an excuse. Its not like they are brothers. There are lots of examples.

Lol That's a valid point of view. I can't argue with that. Besputin is another in-house welter that could be fed to Crawford but you never know what could happen.

IF Crawford really wants to make a big statement that he's the real mofo deal he should move up at 160 lbs and challenge his stable mate Murata .

Crawford is 32. If he keeps wasting his time, he may soon find himself in Golovkin's position where he has too much wear and tear to look good against top opponents.

apollo creed wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 07:40

RonnyJ wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 07:02 Crawford is a blithering idiot. Couple of weeks ago he talked about wanting to face the best and his frustrasion not being able to fight the pbc boxers.

Now the name porter is mentioned, who was close at winning against spence, some say beat spence and tc acts like a straight up pu#;&(y.

Since they are good friends maybe they talked more about this subject and Crawford chose not to fight him?

You know what. Than keep it real and say it like it is "he is a good friend, i dont want to box him".

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 10:24 Crawford is 32. If he keeps wasting his time, he may soon find himself in Golovkin's position where he has too much wear and tear to look good against top opponents.

He should move up at 160 lbs and challenge Murata if no PBC fights.

RonnyJ wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 10:38

apollo creed wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 07:40

Since they are good friends maybe they talked more about this subject and Crawford chose not to fight him?

You know what. Than keep it real and say it like it is "he is a good friend, i dont want to box him".

Yup that's true.

This video is three days old and clearly illustrates my reasoning as to why we're unlikely to see Crawford face Porter anytime soon:

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 12:35 This video is three days old and clearly illustrates my reasoning as to why we're unlikely to see Crawford face Porter anytime soon:

Don't see your point here. THe only thing clear from this vid is that everyone says it's up to the fighters.

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 12:42

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 12:35 This video is three days old and clearly illustrates my reasoning as to why we're unlikely to see Crawford face Porter anytime soon:

Don't see your point here. THe only thing clear from this vid is that everyone says it's up to the fighters.

The point is that Crawford isn’t interested in facing Porter.

I posted the same video a couple of days ago. And this thread was created afterwards, under the pretence that Crawford's statement was a brand new admission, when it clearly wasn't.

The Crawford-Porter fight isn’t happening and friendship isn’t the root cause. It’s boxing politics.

Nobody from Top Rank or the PBC will provide the real reason, but basically it’s due to the fact there isn’t enough money to justify both companies working together.

It’s only the hardcore fanbase that wants to see this bout. Mainstream casuals simply aren’t interested.

So as the situation presents itself it's more likely that fighters like Besputin, Ramirez, Prograis and Taylor may be the 'Porter's', 'Spence's', 'Thurman's' and 'Garcia's' of Crawford.

It's really sad for the boxing fans to see that these promotion stables chose not to do business each other or it's very difficult to do it although Wilder vs Fury rematch is the exception to the rule.

apollo creed wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 13:03 So as the situation presents itself it's more likely that fighters like Besputin, Ramirez, Prograis and Taylor may be the 'Porter's', 'Spence's', 'Thurman's' and 'Garcia's' of Crawford.

It's really sad for the boxing fans to see that these promotion stables chose not to do business each other or it's very difficult to do it although Wilder vs Fury rematch is the exception to the rule.

Terence Crawford cannot legitimise his world championship title reign or legacy at 147lbs by facing smaller 140lbs fighters, such as Jose Ramirez, Josh Taylor and Regis Prograis.

And Alexander Besputin is anonymous and unheralded. He’s not considered a top-ten world-rated 147lb-er by anyone, not even the by the WBO.

I actually like Terence Crawford, but I was frustrated about him choosing to remain with Top Rank. He knew the consequence of his actions.

Whilst I can empathise the reasons for him making such a decision (receiving a $3m guarantee per bout is far too tempting), but as a fan of the sport, it disappointed me.

It seems highly likely that Terence Crawford’s career will inevitably tread the very same path as his fellow Top Rank stablemate, Gilberto Ramírez, which means he’ll continue facing either shot fighters (with a name) or anonymous unheralded opponents of a similar ilk to the likes of Egidijus Kavaliauskas.

And this is precisely the reason why Terence Crawford has become an irrelevant name in the 147lbs scene, because he’s not facing top-tier opposition.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 13:16

apollo creed wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 13:03 So as the situation presents itself it's more likely that fighters like Besputin, Ramirez, Prograis and Taylor may be the 'Porter's', 'Spence's', 'Thurman's' and 'Garcia's' of Crawford.

It's really sad for the boxing fans to see that these promotion stables chose not to do business each other or it's very difficult to do it although Wilder vs Fury rematch is the exception to the rule.

Terence Crawford cannot legitimise his world championship title reign or legacy at 147lbs by facing smaller 140lbs fighters, such as Jose Ramirez, Josh Taylor and Regis Prograis.

And Alexander Besputin is anonymous and unheralded. He’s not considered a top-ten world-rated 147lb-er by anyone, not even the by the WBO.

I actually like Terence Crawford, but I was frustrated about him choosing to remain with Top Rank. He knew the consequence of his actions.

Whilst I can empathise the reasons for him making such a decision (receiving a $3m guarantee per bout is far too tempting), but as a fan of the sport, it disappointed me.

It seems highly likely that Terence Crawford’s career will inevitably tread the very same path as his fellow Top Rank stablemate, Gilberto Ramírez, which means he’ll continue facing either shot fighters (with a name) or anonymous unheralded opponents of a similar ilk to the likes of Egidijus Kavaliauskas.

And this is precisely the reason why Terence Crawford has become an irrelevant name in the 147lbs scene, because he’s not facing top-tier opposition.

As I said it's more likely to see TC fighting the names I mentioned. And of course those names can't legitimise his world championship title reign.

3 Ms guarantee per bout plus other revenues is good business for TC. It makes sense why he's staying with TR.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 13:16

apollo creed wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 13:03 So as the situation presents itself it's more likely that fighters like Besputin, Ramirez, Prograis and Taylor may be the 'Porter's', 'Spence's', 'Thurman's' and 'Garcia's' of Crawford.

It's really sad for the boxing fans to see that these promotion stables chose not to do business each other or it's very difficult to do it although Wilder vs Fury rematch is the exception to the rule.

Terence Crawford cannot legitimise his world championship title reign or legacy at 147lbs by facing smaller 140lbs fighters, such as Jose Ramirez, Josh Taylor and Regis Prograis.

And Alexander Besputin is anonymous and unheralded. He’s not considered a top-ten world-rated 147lb-er by anyone, not even the by the WBO.

I actually like Terence Crawford, but I was frustrated about him choosing to remain with Top Rank. He knew the consequence of his actions.

Whilst I can empathise the reasons for him making such a decision (receiving a $3m guarantee per bout is far too tempting), but as a fan of the sport, it disappointed me.

It seems highly likely that Terence Crawford’s career will inevitably tread the very same path as his fellow Top Rank stablemate, Gilberto Ramírez, which means he’ll continue facing either shot fighters (with a name) or anonymous unheralded opponents of a similar ilk to the likes of Egidijus Kavaliauskas.

And this is precisely the reason why Terence Crawford has become an irrelevant name in the 147lbs scene, because he’s not facing top-tier opposition.

The same Gilberto Ramirez that is at 175 lbs and with the same company that has access to Beterbiev, Gvodzyk and Kovalev if he wants him? Everything is there for Ramirez to get the biggest fights at 175 lbs but his team is pricing him out. It's a bad example.

walter5 wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 14:50

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 13:16
Terence Crawford cannot legitimise his world championship title reign or legacy at 147lbs by facing smaller 140lbs fighters, such as Jose Ramirez, Josh Taylor and Regis Prograis.

And Alexander Besputin is anonymous and unheralded. He’s not considered a top-ten world-rated 147lb-er by anyone, not even the by the WBO.

I actually like Terence Crawford, but I was frustrated about him choosing to remain with Top Rank. He knew the consequence of his actions.

Whilst I can empathise the reasons for him making such a decision (receiving a $3m guarantee per bout is far too tempting), but as a fan of the sport, it disappointed me.

It seems highly likely that Terence Crawford’s career will inevitably tread the very same path as his fellow Top Rank stablemate, Gilberto Ramírez, which means he’ll continue facing either shot fighters (with a name) or anonymous unheralded opponents of a similar ilk to the likes of Egidijus Kavaliauskas.

And this is precisely the reason why Terence Crawford has become an irrelevant name in the 147lbs scene, because he’s not facing top-tier opposition.

The same Gilberto Ramirez that is at 175 lbs and with the same company that has access to Beterbiev, Gvodzyk and Kovalev if he wants him? Everything is there for Ramirez to get the biggest fights at 175 lbs but his team is pricing him out. It's a bad example.

He may fight Hart for the third time but the difference is the weight division. I wonder if Zurdo would end his career at HW fighting Hart as well? lol I read something about Bivol wanting to figh Zurdo.

walter5 wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 14:50The same Gilberto Ramirez that is at 175 lbs and with the same company that has access to Beterbiev, Gvodzyk and Kovalev if he wants him? Everything is there for Ramirez to get the biggest fights at 175 lbs but his team is pricing him out. It's a bad example.

What about the 9½ years Gilberto Ramírez spent campaigning at 168lbs, where he was considered as one of the top dogs of the division by The RING, after enjoying a WBO title reign that lasted 2½ years? I don't think he defeated anyone of any note during that timeframe, which is much akin to Crawford's situation at welterweight right now.

Gilberto Ramírez vacated his WBO super-middleweight title after Billy Joe Saunders became his mandatory challenger. A victory over the Brit would have been a highly-paid venture for the Mexican (a probable career-high payday) and would have also been considered the win of his resume by a proverbial country mile!

At that point in time Saunders and Ramirez’s promoters were in partnership, providing boxing content for ESPN. So why did he refrain from accepting the challenge?

There were other big-name opponents available for Gilberto Ramírez during his 2½ year title reign, but he never faced any of them. And most media pundits believe this was due to his ties with Top Rank, as his rivals were with other promoters/networks (predominantly the PBC), such as:

• Jose Uzcategui (Al Haymon)
• James DeGale (Al Haymon)
• Anthony Dirrell (Al Haymon)
• Andre Dirrell (Al Haymon)
• Caleb Truax (Al Haymon)
• David Benavidez (Al Haymon)
• Badou Jack (Al Haymon)

I've cited an excellent example.

Ramirez at least fought hart twice at 168. Crawford has faced extremely weak opposition at 147

If he isnt willing to make an all out push to fight porter he clearly doesnt care about his level of comp and is comfortable in his irrelevance

at irrelevance.

As far as big fights go hes irrelevant.

Hes a great fighter i wish we got to see him in great fights

I’m guessing Crawford’s desire is to unify against one of the other champions, meaning Spence or Pacquiao. Unfortunately, neither of those are likely to happen.

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑26 Dec 2019, 21:41 As far as big fights go hes irrelevant.

Hes a great fighter i wish we got to see him in great fights

He was just in a very good fight. There aren't many great ones these days.

Well, lets move on from Crawford vs Porter if they don't want to fight. I know neither guy is afraid. Both have the "dog" in them.

What about Pacquiao vs Crawford since he beat Thurman? It's funny people would be ok with Crawford vs Thurman but think Pac is too old for Crawford, and forget that Pac recently beat Thurman. smh

Danny Garcia is out there too. (Is Thurman retired?) After his fight coming up which he'll win, that is possible. Fight which ever one Spence doesn't between Pac and Garcia.

That is tomfoolery by Crawford.